whats going on in London???

[conjur]

Originally posted by: zendari
Perhaps other countries can use this as an initiative that the war on terror is truly a global war, not an american one, with global consequences, and take the steps that the US has done to prevent terrorism.

Like removing civil liberties? Like invading countries that had nothing to do with terrorism?

And, the attacks in Bali and Madrid didn't make people realize any country, any city could be hit at any time?

 

[NJDevil]

Hey BBond (and anyone else taking a huge crap on this thread), STFU!

This is about the London attacks, have some freaking decency. Talk about the issue, and don't get into sparring matches here ...

Have you no shame?

And I thought the extreme right wingers were bad

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: irwincur

OMG; what a cool number.

What exactly do you mean by this?

I think he was referring to "42"...Douglas Adams? Hitchiker's Guide?

Still...a misplaced emotion in this thread.

I see what you mean. But in a world were alone 30.00 chrildren die every day, just from starvation. And millions die every year from aids.
You expect me to care about 100 or even 10.000 deaths?
[i keep forgetting zero's ]

Every life is priceless. And, when a life is snuffed so unexpectedly like this, it hits the world harder. Perhaps that's a sad indictment as to how we've become desensitized to the starvation and oppression in many other parts of the world.

I'm not desensitized, i just think it's yelling out too loudly. I'm not condoning it, or saying it's nothing. They should be caught and punished. I just feel we in the west need to put things in perspectives.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Hey BBond (and anyone else taking a huge crap on this thread), STFU!

This is about the London attacks, have some freaking decency. Talk about the issue, and don't get into sparring matches here ...

Have you no shame?

And I thought the extreme right wingers were bad

I'm not going to sit by and let them spew their lies and hatred.

You STFU. Who died and left you boss?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari
Perhaps other countries can use this as an initiative that the war on terror is truly a global war, not an american one, with global consequences, and take the steps that the US has done to prevent terrorism.

Like removing civil liberties? Like invading countries that had nothing to do with terrorism?

And, the attacks in Bali and Madrid didn't make people realize any country, any city could be hit at any time?

They weren't the RIGHT KIND of people, I guess. Maybe the skin was too dark or something.

 

[Literati]

God Bless the dead.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Hey BBond (and anyone else taking a huge crap on this thread), STFU!

This is about the London attacks, have some freaking decency. Talk about the issue, and don't get into sparring matches here ...

Have you no shame?

And I thought the extreme right wingers were bad

I'm not going to sit by and let them spew their lies and hatred.

You STFU. Who died and left you boss?

Whatever happened to being curteous to the victims of this attack, by not degrading this thread into a partisan shouting match. There are plenty of other threads for you to do that in, so leave this one alone .

 

[judasmachine]

Just when Bush was showing some hairline cracks in his African, and enviornmental policies, BOOM, how convienent.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari
Perhaps other countries can use this as an initiative that the war on terror is truly a global war, not an american one, with global consequences, and take the steps that the US has done to prevent terrorism.

Like removing civil liberties? Like invading countries that had nothing to do with terrorism?

And, the attacks in Bali and Madrid didn't make people realize any country, any city could be hit at any time?

They weren't the RIGHT KIND of people, I guess. Maybe the skin was too dark or something.

Well, 3 swedish chicks actually died in Bali. Only one was hot.
I just think it's too far away.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Hey BBond (and anyone else taking a huge crap on this thread), STFU!

This is about the London attacks, have some freaking decency. Talk about the issue, and don't get into sparring matches here ...

Have you no shame?

And I thought the extreme right wingers were bad

I'm not going to sit by and let them spew their lies and hatred.

You STFU. Who died and left you boss?

Whatever happened to being curteous to the victims of this attack, by not degrading this thread into a partisan shouting match. There are plenty of other threads for you to do that in, so leave this one alone .

d00d,

Irwin tried to turn this into an Islam-bashing hatefest. Why don't you tell him to STFU?

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Just when Bush was showing some hairline cracks in his African, and enviornmental policies, BOOM, how convienent.

What are you talking about?
He's following flows in the rest of the world. With that he has no choice. Or hell would break loose.
But he's still trying to slow it down and put down the deleted debt.

 

[conjur]

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8492258

40 reported dead in London blasts
At least 300 hurt, 150 seriously; Blair suspects terrorism




LONDON - At least 40 people were killed in the explosions that ripped through three London subway trains and a bus on Thursday, according to a U.S. law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because British officials have yet to make public the death toll.

The near simultaneous explosions caused at least 300 injuries in what Prime Minister Tony Blair said was a "barbaric" terrorist attack.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Hey BBond (and anyone else taking a huge crap on this thread), STFU!

This is about the London attacks, have some freaking decency. Talk about the issue, and don't get into sparring matches here ...

Have you no shame?

And I thought the extreme right wingers were bad

I'm not going to sit by and let them spew their lies and hatred.

You STFU. Who died and left you boss?

Whatever happened to being curteous to the victims of this attack, by not degrading this thread into a partisan shouting match. There are plenty of other threads for you to do that in, so leave this one alone .

d00d,

Irwin tried to turn this into an Islam-bashing hatefest. Why don't you tell him to STFU?

Jeez, I didn't read the entire thread. Notice how I said, "BBond and anyone else taking a huge crap on this thread". How's this, Irwincur, please have some respect for the victims by not crapping.

Does that make you happy?

I guess your arguments of, "it doesn't matter who's doing it, just that it's bad" referring to corruption don't apply to your negativity in this thread. Does "he did it too" justify your behavior? I thought you said only "repugs" acted like this.

Partisan hack ...

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Just when Bush was showing some hairline cracks in his African, and enviornmental policies, BOOM, how convienent.

What are you talking about?
He's following flows in the rest of the world. With that he has no choice. Or hell would break loose.
But he's still trying to slow it down and put down the deleted debt.

You underestimate his power to resist international pressure.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: conjur
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8492258

40 reported dead in London blasts
At least 300 hurt, 150 seriously; Blair suspects terrorism




LONDON - At least 40 people were killed in the explosions that ripped through three London subway trains and a bus on Thursday, according to a U.S. law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because British officials have yet to make public the death toll.

The near simultaneous explosions caused at least 300 injuries in what Prime Minister Tony Blair said was a "barbaric" terrorist attack.

And this is what pisses me off. Him standing there in his fresh clothes calling this barbaric. How many people were not killed by Americans in Iraq, not to speak of the UN sanctions. How many people does HE, DOES HE, not have the power to save.

No better time that now, no better place then here.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: conjur
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8492258

40 reported dead in London blasts
At least 300 hurt, 150 seriously; Blair suspects terrorism




LONDON - At least 40 people were killed in the explosions that ripped through three London subway trains and a bus on Thursday, according to a U.S. law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because British officials have yet to make public the death toll.

The near simultaneous explosions caused at least 300 injuries in what Prime Minister Tony Blair said was a "barbaric" terrorist attack.

:frown:

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: conjur
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8492258

40 reported dead in London blasts
At least 300 hurt, 150 seriously; Blair suspects terrorism




LONDON - At least 40 people were killed in the explosions that ripped through three London subway trains and a bus on Thursday, according to a U.S. law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because British officials have yet to make public the death toll.

The near simultaneous explosions caused at least 300 injuries in what Prime Minister Tony Blair said was a "barbaric" terrorist attack.

I fear the number of dead will end up getting closer to 80 to 100.

If it stays under 50, I'll be surprised. Those bombs affected a lot of people. I still can't believe only 3000 died in the 9/11 attacks. Considering the buildings and the amount of people in that area at the time, I thought we would have seen 10,000 dead.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Just when Bush was showing some hairline cracks in his African, and enviornmental policies, BOOM, how convienent.

What are you talking about?
He's following flows in the rest of the world. With that he has no choice. Or hell would break loose.
But he's still trying to slow it down and put down the deleted debt.

You underestimate his power to resist international pressure.

I'm quite sure i don't. Especially lately he's been responding much as being the good guy. I think he's afraid of getting the reputation of a crook in the history books.

Apart from most african countries, did you know that the Phillipines spends 95% of all money it makes on external debt repayments. How many african countries do you think have to pay their debts, with new debts?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.conjur.com/blog/2005/07/07/terror-attack-on-londons-underground/

It appears that up to seven Underground (London's subway system) stops were targeted. Casualties galore (at least 90 reported at one station alone with two fatalities reported). This is all very preliminary but it's obviously an orchestrated attack. Some of the stops included Liverpool, Aldgate, and Kings Cross. There are reports of people still trapped in the Tube and the national morning news shows keep showing looped footage of survivors receiving assistance.

Footage has also been shown of the top of one of London's famous double-decker buses having been destroyed by an explosion.

Now, whether the attack was timed to coincide with the opening of the G8 today or whether Paris, London, Madrid, NYC, etc. were going to be hit one day after the announcement of the location of the 2012 Olympics is also unclear.

What is clear, though, is that the fvcking BS rhetoric from this admin that "America and the world are safer" is now completely and utterly without basis. Attacks like this will continue no matter what countries are invaded and no matter what sanctions are imposed upon others. There will always be a fringe element seeking to cause death and destruction.

Better security at home at ports, chemical plants, transportation hubs, trucking industry, etc. is what we need, not more bombs and bullets.

Here's an early report from CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.tube/index.html

This very easily could have been in New York. America IS safer. [/quote]Wow. You don't even realize how idiotic that statement is.[/quote]

I realize how idiotic yours is. It's like claiming "Omg, there's still murder and violence so the police have shown themselves to be useless.' Damn. We may as well just fold it up and never use police again, since those crimes still exist. :roll:

No matter how careful we try to be, there is absolutely no way to prevent further attacks, short of putting up a steel wall around the entire US and letting nobody in or out. Besides that, we've already tried the defensive posture and it failed us. And if the attacks of al Qaeda are all about the US occupation and their response to it, then please explain what al Qaeda and fundie Islam is doing in Thailand, the Phillipines, Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, Russia, and a good number of African countries. What's their fvcking excuse there?

Wake up people. This is NOT about Iraq. Iraq is merely a convenient excuse for them and their apologists. This is the spread of fundie Islam and it needs to be stopped, period. The only way to do that is to fight back. Hiding your head in the sand to that fact only does one thing - It hikes yor ass up in the air.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.conjur.com/blog/2005/07/07/terror-attack-on-londons-underground/

It appears that up to seven Underground (London's subway system) stops were targeted. Casualties galore (at least 90 reported at one station alone with two fatalities reported). This is all very preliminary but it's obviously an orchestrated attack. Some of the stops included Liverpool, Aldgate, and Kings Cross. There are reports of people still trapped in the Tube and the national morning news shows keep showing looped footage of survivors receiving assistance.

Footage has also been shown of the top of one of London's famous double-decker buses having been destroyed by an explosion.

Now, whether the attack was timed to coincide with the opening of the G8 today or whether Paris, London, Madrid, NYC, etc. were going to be hit one day after the announcement of the location of the 2012 Olympics is also unclear.

What is clear, though, is that the fvcking BS rhetoric from this admin that "America and the world are safer" is now completely and utterly without basis. Attacks like this will continue no matter what countries are invaded and no matter what sanctions are imposed upon others. There will always be a fringe element seeking to cause death and destruction.

Better security at home at ports, chemical plants, transportation hubs, trucking industry, etc. is what we need, not more bombs and bullets.

Here's an early report from CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.tube/index.html

This very easily could have been in New York. America IS safer.

Wow. You don't even realize how idiotic that statement is.[/quote]

I realize how idiotic yours is. It's like claiming "Omg, there's still murder and violence so the police have shown themselves to be useless.' Damn. We may as well just fold it up and never use police again, since those crimes still exist. :roll:

No matter how careful we try to be, there is absolutely no way to prevent further attacks, short of putting up a steel wall around the entire US and letting nobody in or out. Besides that, we've already tried the defensive posture and it failed us. And if the attacks of al Qaeda are all about the US occupation and their response to it, then please explain what al Qaeda and fundie Islam is doing in Thailand, the Phillipines, Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, Russia, and a good number of African countries. What's their fvcking excuse there?

Wake up people. This is NOT about Iraq. Iraq is merely a convenient excuse for them and their apologists. This is the spread of fundie Islam and it needs to be stopped, period. The only way to do that is to fight back. Hiding your head in the sand to that fact only does one thing - It hikes yor ass up in the air.[/quote]

The reason for the spread of your worst nightmare, the fundie islam, is your imperialistic actions the many last years. The ones that escalated under Bush.

Want to stop terror? Quit pissing people off.
It's very simple.

[edit]
Oh, and it happens to be the very same way they try to fight it over in asia. The american, steel to steel, bullet to bullet, eye for an eye method.

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.conjur.com/blog/2005/07/07/terror-attack-on-londons-underground/

It appears that up to seven Underground (London's subway system) stops were targeted. Casualties galore (at least 90 reported at one station alone with two fatalities reported). This is all very preliminary but it's obviously an orchestrated attack. Some of the stops included Liverpool, Aldgate, and Kings Cross. There are reports of people still trapped in the Tube and the national morning news shows keep showing looped footage of survivors receiving assistance.

Footage has also been shown of the top of one of London's famous double-decker buses having been destroyed by an explosion.

Now, whether the attack was timed to coincide with the opening of the G8 today or whether Paris, London, Madrid, NYC, etc. were going to be hit one day after the announcement of the location of the 2012 Olympics is also unclear.

What is clear, though, is that the fvcking BS rhetoric from this admin that "America and the world are safer" is now completely and utterly without basis. Attacks like this will continue no matter what countries are invaded and no matter what sanctions are imposed upon others. There will always be a fringe element seeking to cause death and destruction.

Better security at home at ports, chemical plants, transportation hubs, trucking industry, etc. is what we need, not more bombs and bullets.

Here's an early report from CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.tube/index.html

This very easily could have been in New York. America IS safer.

Wow. You don't even realize how idiotic that statement is.[/quote]

I realize how idiotic yours is. It's like claiming "Omg, there's still murder and violence so the police have shown themselves to be useless.' Damn. We may as well just fold it up and never use police again, since those crimes still exist. :roll:

No matter how careful we try to be, there is absolutely no way to prevent further attacks, short of putting up a steel wall around the entire US and letting nobody in or out. Besides that, we've already tried the defensive posture and it failed us. And if the attacks of al Qaeda are all about the US occupation and their response to it, then please explain what al Qaeda and fundie Islam is doing in Thailand, the Phillipines, Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, Russia, and a good number of African countries. What's their fvcking excuse there?

Wake up people. This is NOT about Iraq. Iraq is merely a convenient excuse for them and their apologists. This is the spread of fundie Islam and it needs to be stopped, period. The only way to do that is to fight back. Hiding your head in the sand to that fact only does one thing - It hikes yor ass up in the air.[/quote]

i think it's a war that can't be won if you are fighting against a religion. the only way to stop terrorists is to remove the motivation for the terrorist to exist. this also may prove to be impossible. i wonder if there is a john travolta (like from swordfish) type guy out there who is busting heads and sh!te.....

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Just when Bush was showing some hairline cracks in his African, and enviornmental policies, BOOM, how convienent.

What are you talking about?
He's following flows in the rest of the world. With that he has no choice. Or hell would break loose.
But he's still trying to slow it down and put down the deleted debt.

You underestimate his power to resist international pressure.

I'm quite sure i don't. Especially lately he's been responding much as being the good guy. I think he's afraid of getting the reputation of a crook in the history books.

Apart from most african countries, did you know that the Phillipines spends 95% of all money it makes on external debt repayments. How many african countries do you think have to pay their debts, with new debts?

You may have a point about whether he's worried about his legacy. And when I graduate and become a historian (not immediately of course) he needs to worry about me writing the books.

I'm glad he's softened up as much as he has, I just hope this doesn't send him back to his hardass days when the world was out to get us.

 

[Czar]

we use humor to cope, nothing wrong with that

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Just when Bush was showing some hairline cracks in his African, and enviornmental policies, BOOM, how convienent.

What are you talking about?
He's following flows in the rest of the world. With that he has no choice. Or hell would break loose.
But he's still trying to slow it down and put down the deleted debt.

You underestimate his power to resist international pressure.

I'm quite sure i don't. Especially lately he's been responding much as being the good guy. I think he's afraid of getting the reputation of a crook in the history books.

Apart from most african countries, did you know that the Phillipines spends 95% of all money it makes on external debt repayments. How many african countries do you think have to pay their debts, with new debts?

You may have a point about whether he's worried about his legacy. And when I graduate and become a historian (not immediately of course) he needs to worry about me writing the books.

I'm glad he's softened up as much as he has, I just hope this doesn't send him back to his hardass days when the world was out to get us.

Nah, i seriously doubt it. If anything this will soften him up more, because it will give him a feeling that not only he has been through this. (Spain doesn't count)
I actually think it's a good thing for this world that it's happened.

 

[phillyTIM]

Well - so much for Bush's sham 'war on terror'.

It's doing nothing but causing greater amounts of death on innocent civilians.