whats going on in London???

[conjur]

for the fluffer

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Tango
And by the way: there ARE mass graves in Kosovo. Take a flight an go see them if you don't believe the thousands of images you can see on the internet.

Yeah, right.

No "mass graves" have ever been verified in Kosovo. None. Those graves that have been found have been determined to have been victims of the war itself and not any sort of ethnic cleansing of 100,000, as was claimed.

Are you crazy? Let's start deny what happened for 10 years in Bosnia, Herzegovina, Croatia and eventually Kosovo...

United Nation agency:
"To date, the U.N. has probed 195 mass-grave sites where 4,266 bodies had been reported buried. The investigators dug out 2,108 full corpses, half the number they expected to find. That's about 10 per grave. Partial corpses, and there were many, weren't counted. In all, the Kosovars have reported a total of 11,334 deaths. There are 324 sites left to investigate, and more are being discovered daily. If the U.N. teams continue to locate bodies at roughly the rate they have been, they'll have identified 6,000 or so when their work is done, not counting incomplete bodies."

http://beqiraj.com/kosova/de/war_crimes/index.asp
http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/bcr3/bcr3_200506_558_3_eng.txt
http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/SKAR-64GDRM?OpenDocument
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9906/17/kosovo.03/
http://www.kosovo.com/massgraves.html

I was in Serbia two months ago.. just drive north to Bosnia or south to Kosovo and you will find your evidencies by yourself. There are nice pictures in the last edition of SIPA news, a publication of Columbia University...

it's scary how fast people change their minds following the opinion of a couple of journalists even against proven evidencies...

Has the UN come up with any proof those "mass graves" (Which under the UN definition is any grave with more than two people) are a results of ethnic cleansing, as Clinton claimed? How many of the "mass graves" uncovered so far were victims of the war itself?

Simply finding graves with a bunch of people in them does not substantiate the claims that were made, and nowhere near the amount that were supposed to be there have been located.

yes, of course they have...

http://www.un.org/icty/alb/articles/articles/eng/article-050429e.htm
http://www.un.org/icty/alb/articles/articles/eng/article-041114e.htm
http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2004/db040803.doc.htm

browse the UN website and you will find some 371 pages of evidencies...

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Edit: As you can see, the liberal Conjur chooses to see the glass half-empty while I choose to see it half-full. So far, I would say this event today is NO 9/11.

Tell that to the families of the dead in London.

:|

Right. As if there is never supposed to be another attack, anywhere. No matter how many events have been thwarted, when one gets through you put out your fake little red faces and slobber about Bush.

Words cannot describe....

Exactly. Like I said earlier, it's like saying that we shouldn't have police because their existence doesn't prevent crime completely.

It's simply another case of the lefties rogering logic to procreate their illogical bastard commentary children, as well as an empty excuse for them to take another slap at Bush.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: matstars

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: matstars


Wow conjur...

So we should just leave the middle east to be a breeding ground for hatred and harboring western terrorists.

wow... just wow...

No, we should make up lies to justify illegal unprovoked aggression that create a breeding ground for hatred.

WHAT!!??

Have you missed these Iraqi's who have BEHEADED American's, and other westerners on their TELEVISION STATIONS ???? THIS is NOT A BREEDING GROUND?

I don't even know what to say.

These Iraqis have had family members blown to little tiny pieces of sticky hot flesh by the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAR BOMBS ... FAMILY CHILDREN MOTHERS WIVES SONS AND DAUGHTERS MURDERED BY WAR

I guess you think it is ok to kill innocent Iraqis and Muslims as long as they are at least 5000 miles away from you?

 

[Bowfinger]

Any chance of the mods handing out instant vacations to each and every person who continues to pollute this thread with this childish, off-topic bickering?

I can bicker with the best of them, but it doesn't belong here. A lot of people died today, kids. A lot of people are interested in this story. Please respect that and take the crap to another thread.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
That'd be real smart. Go drop nukes on a country that has nukes themselves.

The real enemy here are regimes that foment and foster the militant Islamic terrorists in the first place. Saddam's regime was one of those regimes. So was the Taliban. Two down, more to go.

And you draw a conclusion about incompetence. I also assume you fault Clinton for his incompetence that caused the people of New York to suffer?

Heh, so you admit that we cannot do anything about someone who has a nuke? Yeah, all Al Qeada needs to do is find themselves a nuke and they are all set.

All I am saying is, as long as you are focusing on the real enemy, use whatever means necessary, nuke or on nuke, just get the job done. And no, the real enemy is Al Qaeda, pure and simple, not Taliban or Saddam. Al Qaeda was the one attacked us, and that's who we are going to eliminate. We took care of Taliban not because Taliban created al Qaeda, but because Taliban was harboring them and refuse to hand them over, go read the past news a little and don't confuse people with your ignorance.

Heh, and if 911 happened during Clinton and he doesn't do anything about it but instead waging a war in another country and leave Al Qaeda able to carry out another big attack 4 years after, I would say he is incompetent too.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Any chance of the mods handing out instant vacations to each and every person who continues to pollute this thread with this childish, off-topic bickering?

I can bicker with the best of them, but it doesn't belong here. A lot of people died today, kids. A lot of people are interested in this story. Please respect that and take the crap to another thread.

:thumbsup:

 

[conjur]

More attacks possible as terrorists still at large, warns expert
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.184916368&par=0

Canberra, 7 July (AKI) - Terrorists that carried out the multiple blasts that hit London's transport system on Thursday morning could conduct further attacks in the near future unless they are captured, according to a leading al-Qaeda and terrorism expert, Rohan Gunaratna. "If the cell that perpetuated these attacks is not neutralised, there is likely to be another attack in the coming days," said Gunaratna, the head of Singapore's International Center for Political Violence and Terrorism Research in an interview with Adnkronos International (AKI).

The coordinated and simultaneous manner in which the attacks were conducted, and the fact that they resulted in multiple fatalities, clearly indicated that the group that carried out the blasts was "a cell affiliated or inspired by al-Qaeda," Gunaratna said.

Speaking from the Australian capital Canberra, Gunaratna, who has closely studied the international al-Qaeda terrorist network, believes that it is very likely that the group will strike again because a study of the March 2004 Madrid train bombings, which killed 191 people, revealed there were other attempts by the al-Qaeda linked group, to conduct further blasts, following the train bombings. Those attempts were foiled by the authorities in the Spanish capital.

"This is not a suicide attack, so the terrorists are still free," said Gunaratna. "Unless they are identified and neutralised, there could be another attack soon," he said.

Some unconfirmed reports however suggest that a suicide bomber was involved in the blast on the London bus.


The attack also showed that the cell that carried out the blasts that targeted the London underground system is "certainly a group based in Britain because of their perfect understanding of the British transport system," said Gunaratna referring to the six explosions in central London on Thursday - at King's Cross, Edgeware Road, Russell Square, Liverpool Street, Aldgate East and Moorgate underground stations, and at Tavistock Place, where a double decker bus exploded.


According to the terrorism expert, it has been known that terrorist groups would target the London underground for a long time and attacks this week were timed to coincide with the summit of the G8 leaders currently meeting in Britain.

Referring to a statement made on the internet by a European based militant group, the previously unknown, Group of the Secret Organisation of al-Qaeda in Europe, claiming responsibility for the attacks, Gunaratna said that it was clearly a false statement made by Islamists.

"The statement is not credible because it does not use al-Qaeda type language," said Gunaratna, however he was certain that the group responsible for the attacks was an al-Qaeda linked group.

Gunaratna also highlighted the fact that cities such as London are constantly under high alert.

"The British and European authorities are well informed because they know of other plans of attacks and have anticipated them," he said. "But they cannot prevent all the attacks as there are so many threats."

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Tango
And by the way: there ARE mass graves in Kosovo. Take a flight an go see them if you don't believe the thousands of images you can see on the internet.

Yeah, right.

No "mass graves" have ever been verified in Kosovo. None. Those graves that have been found have been determined to have been victims of the war itself and not any sort of ethnic cleansing of 100,000, as was claimed.

Are you crazy? Let's start deny what happened for 10 years in Bosnia, Herzegovina, Croatia and eventually Kosovo...

United Nation agency:
"To date, the U.N. has probed 195 mass-grave sites where 4,266 bodies had been reported buried. The investigators dug out 2,108 full corpses, half the number they expected to find. That's about 10 per grave. Partial corpses, and there were many, weren't counted. In all, the Kosovars have reported a total of 11,334 deaths. There are 324 sites left to investigate, and more are being discovered daily. If the U.N. teams continue to locate bodies at roughly the rate they have been, they'll have identified 6,000 or so when their work is done, not counting incomplete bodies."

http://beqiraj.com/kosova/de/war_crimes/index.asp
http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/bcr3/bcr3_200506_558_3_eng.txt
http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/SKAR-64GDRM?OpenDocument
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9906/17/kosovo.03/
http://www.kosovo.com/massgraves.html

I was in Serbia two months ago.. just drive north to Bosnia or south to Kosovo and you will find your evidencies by yourself. There are nice pictures in the last edition of SIPA news, a publication of Columbia University...

it's scary how fast people change their minds following the opinion of a couple of journalists even against proven evidencies...

Has the UN come up with any proof those "mass graves" (Which under the UN definition is any grave with more than two people) are a results of ethnic cleansing, as Clinton claimed? How many of the "mass graves" uncovered so far were victims of the war itself?

Simply finding graves with a bunch of people in them does not substantiate the claims that were made, and nowhere near the amount that were supposed to be there have been located.

yes, of course they have...

http://www.un.org/icty/alb/articles/articles/eng/article-050429e.htm
http://www.un.org/icty/alb/articles/articles/eng/article-041114e.htm
http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2004/db040803.doc.htm

browse the UN website and you will find some 371 pages of evidencies...

I see evidence of brutality. Where's the evidence of ethnic cleansing? And all 371 pages of evidence, while impressive in its heft, still does not jibe anywhere near the numbers bandied about before the war's start.

btw, your last link really has no relevance to the discussion.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
browse the UN website and you will find some 371 pages of evidencies...

I see evidence of brutality. Where's the evidence of ethnic cleansing? And all 371 pages of evidence, while impressive in its heft, still does not jibe anywhere near the numbers bandied about before the war's start.

btw, your last link really has no relevance to the discussion.[/quote]

Next thing you know, you'll be calling the holocaust an act of brutality

here's a farking link for you, asshat ... you are so blinded by partisanship that you have to ignore every single piece of evidence against ethnic cleansing so you can jerk off on a picture of clinton

First google results for "ethnic cleansing kosovo" -> from the US State Department

as Carlin said, "Some people are really f'ing stupid. Think of how dumb the average person is, and then realize that half of them are stupider than that."

here you go

Edit: So you're for fighting for the freedom of Iraqi's, but against the freedom of Albanians? "They weren't being killed in huge numbers, wahhhhhh, no reason to interfere!"

 

[ntdz]

I feel for the people of England, London, and of course the victims and their families. I hope they hunt down, find, and systematically torture these terrorists until they die from the shock of so much pain (one can only hope).

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: ntdz
I feel for the people of England, London, and of course the victims and their families. I hope they hunt down, find, and systematically torture these terrorists until they die from the shock of so much pain (one can only hope).

Ah, a Republican crying out for torture. No wonder you support what goes on at Gitmo and Abu Gharib. Are you sure you aren't a Evangelical Christian? You sound an awful lot like one.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Any chance of the mods handing out instant vacations to each and every person who continues to pollute this thread with this childish, off-topic bickering?

I can bicker with the best of them, but it doesn't belong here. A lot of people died today, kids. A lot of people are interested in this story. Please respect that and take the crap to another thread.

A lot of civilians die in Iraq and Afghanistan every day. I don't see threads devoted to that. Funny how some lives are worth more than others eh?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Any chance of the mods handing out instant vacations to each and every person who continues to pollute this thread with this childish, off-topic bickering?

I can bicker with the best of them, but it doesn't belong here. A lot of people died today, kids. A lot of people are interested in this story. Please respect that and take the crap to another thread.

Bowfinger, I started a sticky thread for condolences. This thread wasn't started as a condolence thread. I figured its own thread was appropriate.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: ntdz
I feel for the people of England, London, and of course the victims and their families. I hope they hunt down, find, and systematically torture these terrorists until they die from the shock of so much pain (one can only hope).

Torture is never justified. From a practical point of view, you are also inviting torture from the "other side."

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Any chance of the mods handing out instant vacations to each and every person who continues to pollute this thread with this childish, off-topic bickering?

I can bicker with the best of them, but it doesn't belong here. A lot of people died today, kids. A lot of people are interested in this story. Please respect that and take the crap to another thread.

A lot of civilians die in Iraq and Afghanistan every day. I don't see threads devoted to that. Funny how some lives are worth more than others eh?

I agree 100%, but we have to start somewhere. I have railed many times against the people who so easily ignore the tens of thousands of innocents killed there ... but that's a topic for other threads.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Any chance of the mods handing out instant vacations to each and every person who continues to pollute this thread with this childish, off-topic bickering?

I can bicker with the best of them, but it doesn't belong here. A lot of people died today, kids. A lot of people are interested in this story. Please respect that and take the crap to another thread.

Bowfinger, I started a sticky thread for condolences. This thread wasn't started as a condolence thread. I figured its own thread was appropriate.

:thumbsup:

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
browse the UN website and you will find some 371 pages of evidencies...

I see evidence of brutality. Where's the evidence of ethnic cleansing? And all 371 pages of evidence, while impressive in its heft, still does not jibe anywhere near the numbers bandied about before the war's start.

btw, your last link really has no relevance to the discussion.

Next thing you know, you'll be calling the holocaust an act of brutality

here's a farking link for you, asshat ... you are so blinded by partisanship that you have to ignore every single piece of evidence against ethnic cleansing so you can jerk off on a picture of clinton

First google results for "ethnic cleansing kosovo" -> from the US State Department

as Carlin said, "Some people are really f'ing stupid. Think of how dumb the average person is, and then realize that half of them are stupider than that."

here you go

Edit: So you're for fighting for the freedom of Iraqi's, but against the freedom of Albanians? "They weren't being killed in huge numbers, wahhhhhh, no reason to interfere!"[/quote]
I'm not against the freedom of Albanians whatsoever. I supported Clinton's actions in Kosovo.

I'm making a point that those who would jump all over Bush for his actions seemingly pardon Clinton for actions that were very similar. It's hypocrisy, pure and simple.

In fact, my statement demonstrates a lack of partisanship because regardless that the 100,000 bdoies in mass graves weren't found I still think Clinton did the right thing in Kosovo, just like I believe Bush is doing the right thing in Iraq regardless that mass quantities of WMDs weren't found.

Funny how people get when I use the same sort of arguments against Clinton that they would use against Bush. It's very, very telling.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: ntdz
I feel for the people of England, London, and of course the victims and their families. I hope they hunt down, find, and systematically torture these terrorists until they die from the shock of so much pain (one can only hope).

Ah, a Republican crying out for torture. No wonder you support what goes on at Gitmo and Abu Gharib. Are you sure you aren't a Evangelical Christian? You sound an awful lot like one.

That's what the terrorists deserve, but it's not what we should do to them. Oh, can you show me where I said I support what "goes on" at Gitmo and Abu Gharib? I love when libbies put words into my mouth.

 

[johnnobts]

Ah, a Republican crying out for torture. No wonder you support what goes on at Gitmo and Abu Gharib. Are you sure you aren't a Evangelical Christian? You sound an awful lot like one.


first, as an evangelical Christian (by the way, you can't be a Christian without being evangelical, as Christianity is rooted in "evangeluo," literally "the good news" of Jesus Christ) i resent what you just said. Most Christians I know do not advocate torture, as we receive monthly reports of Christians being tortured and killed throughout the world (Sudan, Indonesia, Iran, China, etc.).

that being said, I wouldn't classify the events that have gone on at Gitmo as "torture." coercion, yes, torture, no. sleep deprivation is not torture, cutting off fingers, hands, legs (a la sadam style), that's torture. at gitmo, the average inmate has gained 5-7 pounds from being very well-fed, and they are even free to practice their religion (well, at least 3 of the 5 pillars of islam, or 6 if you count jihadism).

as for abu ghraib, that was an isolated incident, and yes, i would classify that as a form of toture. but it was not sanctioned by our government, it was a group of foolish soldiers acting like fraternity boys and girls, and they have all been dealth with. the liberal press wants to connect the abu ghraib incident with the military chain of command, they'd love to pin this on one of bush's generals, but its just not going to happen.

back to the subject, these evildoers (the term fits, b/c they are "doers of evil") ough to be hunted down, and they ought to be tried, sentenced, and when found guilty, executed for their crimes.

 

[conjur]

Live8 was just held in London. Either the terrorists enjoyed the music or they were really just waiting for the timing of the G8. I don't even want to beging thinking of the carnage if they'd attacked that huge crowd or the Underground when all of that was going on.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
Ah, a Republican crying out for torture. No wonder you support what goes on at Gitmo and Abu Gharib. Are you sure you aren't a Evangelical Christian? You sound an awful lot like one.


first, as an evangelical Christian (by the way, you can't be a Christian without being evangelical, as Christianity is rooted in "evangeluo," literally "the good news" of Jesus Christ) i resent what you just said. Most Christians I know do not advocate torture, as we receive monthly reports of Christians being tortured and killed throughout the world (Sudan, Indonesia, Iran, China, etc.).

that being said, I wouldn't classify the events that have gone on at Gitmo as "torture." coercion, yes, torture, no. sleep deprivation is not torture, cutting off fingers, hands, legs (a la sadam style), that's torture. at gitmo, the average inmate has gained 5-7 pounds from being very well-fed, and they are even free to practice their religion (well, at least 3 of the 5 pillars of islam, or 6 if you count jihadism).

as for abu ghraib, that was an isolated incident, and yes, i would classify that as a form of toture. but it was not sanctioned by our government, it was a group of foolish soldiers acting like fraternity boys and girls, and they have all been dealth with. the liberal press wants to connect the abu ghraib incident with the military chain of command, they'd love to pin this on one of bush's generals, but its just not going to happen.

back to the subject, these evildoers (the term fits, b/c they are "doers of evil") ough to be hunted down, and they ought to be tried, sentenced, and when found guilty, executed for their crimes.

Stop listening to Rush.

Educate yourself:
**Official** Prisoner Torture Thread...Ranking Dem calls for counsel on 'war crimes'..Judge Orders Add'l Photos Released
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1305083&enterthread=y

 

[johnnobts]

lol, i don't listen to rush, he's got too big an ego, rubs me the wrong way. but i did hear about his "club gitmo" t-shirts he's selling, which tickled me quite a bit. as for the gitmo detainees being free to practice their religion, that's very true, we buy them their korans. when's the last time a senator approved federal funds to buy an inmate a bible? also, the statistic about them gaining on average 5-7 pounds, that's actually joe biden (d) speaking on the subject on the senate floor (c-span)

 

[conjur]

Well, I'm so pleased to hear you were "tickled" at the Club Gitmo shirts.


:roll:


Now, go read that thread I linked above. It's a lot of reading but you'll see how ignorant your remarks about Gitmo and Abu Ghraib are. And, I don't mean ignorant as a slur...I mean it as uneducated on the topic (which is what it means but many people don't understand that. )

 

[conjur]

Now this is just sickening!

http://mediamatters.org/items/200507070005

Fox News' Brian Kilmeade: London terror attack near G8 summit "works to ... Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together"

The following exchange between Fox News host Brian Kilmeade and Fox News business contributor and substitute host Stuart Varney occurred during breaking news coverage of the attacks on London subways and buses on the July 7 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

KILMEADE: And he [British Prime Minister Tony Blair] made the statement, clearly shaken, but clearly determined. This is his second address in the last hour. First to the people of London, and now at the G8 summit, where their topic Number 1 --believe it or not-- was global warming, the second was African aid. And that was the first time since 9-11 when they should know, and they do know now, that terrorism should be Number 1. But it's important for them all to be together. I think that works to our advantage, in the Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together, just 500 miles from where the attacks have happened.

VARNEY: It puts the Number 1 issue right back on the front burner right at the point where all these world leaders are meeting. It takes global warming off the front burner. It takes African aid off the front burner. It sticks terrorism and the fight on the war on terror, right up front all over again.

KILMEADE: Yeah.