What's After Democracy?

[apoppin]

I have noticed that every form of government - so far - has been replaced by another.

So, what's likely after democracy?

 

[iamme]

the Matrix.

j/k, i dunno.

 

[GasX]

what countries have a democracy?

 

[XZeroII]

I believe Marx thought that communism was the next logical step. Basically one or two groups will eventually gain all the power and band together to bring on communism. We studied this last year in Political Philosophy and we went through the different stages and who thought what should follow what. It was pretty well thought out. I'll see if I can find my notes and maybe post what some people thought.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
what countries have a democracy?

none . . . really.

However, it doesn't stop our current administration proclaiming our 2 party overbloated bureaucracy a "democracy" (after all, there is "some" choice).

Democracy has been tried - the US came pretty "close" in 1776 . . .

So - anyway - what's likely to replace it.


EDIT: Communism can be RULED OUT. It is a Failed Experiment . . . great Idea but too "Utopian" to succeed (on this planet, anyway).

 

[GasX]

you mean socialism?

In a large country withpolicy based on polling the masses, socialism will always be a strong element of the result of governance. i.e. the poor majority will take more than they put in via taxes.

 

[Triumph]

Be careful not to mix up your terms. "Democracy" literally means "of the people." Many countries call themselves democratic. Former East Germany called themselves the GDR - German Democratic Republic. (Deutsche Demokratische Republic or something in German, I forget). The Soviet Union was democrat: they elected their leader. He just had to be a member of the Communist party.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
you mean socialism?

In a large country withpolicy based on polling the masses, socialism will always be a strong element of the result of governance. i.e. the poor majority will take more than they put in via taxes.

Both socialism and communism are (also) both pretty much "failures" as is everything else that has been "tried" as human forms of government.

A "successful" form of government would benefit all its citizens.
(never happened yet)

What are political analysts saying about possible future forms of government?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Triumph
Be careful not to mix up your terms. "Democracy" literally means "of the people." Many countries call themselves democratic. Former East Germany called themselves the GDR - German Democratic Republic. (Deutsche Demokratische Republic or something in German, I forget). The Soviet Union was democrat: they elected their leader. He just had to be a member of the Communist party.

This is MY point really . . .

ALL forms of democracy are subject to abuse (our own has a problem electing the most "popular" instead of the most "qualified").
(actually - ALL forms of human government are subject to abuse)

So, what's next?

 

[Triumph]

Uh... we go back to a monarchy? I proclaim myself King of America.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Triumph
Uh... we go back to a monarchy? I proclaim myself King of America.

Maybe . . . the most efficient form of government is a dictatorship. However, dictatorships are notoriously subject to abuse of power by a single man (or group of people).

A BENEVOLENT dictatorship might be ideal - HOWEVER, once the "benevolent dictator" dies - it's back to bad government as "usual" and often "anarchy".

Democracy - as visualized by America's founding fathers - had a lot of checks and balances to keep abuses in check. These are currently breaking down.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Triumph
Uh... we go back to a monarchy? I proclaim myself King of America.

Maybe . . . the most efficient form of government is a dictatorship. However, dictatorships are notoriously subject to abuse of power by a single man (or group of people).

A BENEVOLENT dictatorship might be ideal - HOWEVER, once the "benevolent dictator" dies - it's back to bad government as "usual" and often "anarchy".

Democracy - as visualized by America's founding fathers - had a lot of checks and balances to keep abuses in check. These are currently breaking down.

That is why I will only marry the finest maiden that I can find, and ensure that my offspring are of the same strength of character as myself.

 

[MikeMike]

anarchy, with a form of policing to control fights and skirmishes

 

[GasX]

You want ideal?

America the way it was designed to be.

A free fvcking country.

No welfare
No handouts
No oppression

Life is hard and you have the right to make the best of it. If sh!t happens deal with it.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Triumph
Uh... we go back to a monarchy? I proclaim myself King of America.

Maybe . . . the most efficient form of government is a dictatorship. However, dictatorships are notoriously subject to abuse of power by a single man (or group of people).

A BENEVOLENT dictatorship might be ideal - HOWEVER, once the "benevolent dictator" dies - it's back to bad government as "usual" and often "anarchy".

Democracy - as visualized by America's founding fathers - had a lot of checks and balances to keep abuses in check. These are currently breaking down.

That is why I will only marry the finest maiden that I can find, and ensure that my offspring are of the same strength of character as myself.

and u'd have to marry another woman if she can't give u a son. if she gives u two sons u gotta put one in stasis else there might be a power squable in the future

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
You want ideal?

America the way it was designed to be.

A free fvcking country.

No welfare
No handouts
No oppression

Life is hard and you have the right to make the best of it. If sh!t happens deal with it.

Everyone want's "ideal" - for themselves.

WHAT I want to know IS what "you" think is the NEXT form of government to succeed "democracy"
(is this too "difficult" a concept to extrapolate or "project" future government possibilities?)

 

[Zenmervolt]

We tried Democracy (or at least something closer to it) with the Articles of Confederation. Democracy has already been replaced with the Democratic Republic.

ZV

 

[apoppin]

WHAT I want to know IS what "you" think is the NEXT form of government to succeed "democracy" . . .

Let me try some examples . . . Gene Roddenberry is projecting a type of government by United nations - a benevolent and fair-minded federation dedicated to upholding the individual but subordinated to a 'greater good'.

Frank Herbert in his Dune series, projected an EVOLUTION of humankind that creates a nearly immortal godlike "benevolent" dictator that guides mankind in his vision of destiny for thousands of years.

Islam militants are projecting a jihand and eventual planetwide rule by Allah as expressed by them.

Christian Fundamentalists are looking forward to Jesus' return and Theocracy (or so they "say")

Whaddaya think?

 

[StageLeft]

Skoorbinism. Bascically everyone does what I say. I live in a mansion with multiple bigscreen flat panels all tied together and play xbox all day. I also drive a mclaren F1 and i own nissan.

 

[dopcombo]

i think...

hmm, well if u watched the show "Hero" then it would make sense if the whole world was ruled by one government and everybody was happy under his rule.

yeah... benevolent dictatorship.

THE CHOSEN ONE....

 

[xirtam]

Whatever we all get together and vote on.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

WHAT I want to know IS what "you" think is the NEXT form of government to succeed "democracy" . . .

Let me try some examples . . . Gene Roddenberry is projecting a type of government by United nations - a benevolent and fair-minded federation dedicated to upholding the individual but subordinated to a 'greater good'.

Frank Herbert in his Dune series, projected an EVOLUTION of humankind that creates a nearly immortal godlike "benevolent" dictator that guides mankind in his vision of destiny for thousands of years.

Islam militants are projecting a jihand and eventual planetwide rule by Allah as expressed by them.

Christian Fundamentalists are looking forward to Jesus' return and Theocracy (or so they "say")

Whaddaya think?

first two don't sound too horrible.

last two would make the world not worth living in

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dopcombo
i think...

hmm, well if u watched the show "Hero" then it would make sense if the whole world was ruled by one government and everybody was happy under his rule.

yeah... benevolent dictatorship.

THE CHOSEN ONE....

aka "antiChrist" in Christian and pseudo-christian theology.

. . . unless you are talking the Matrix . . .

 

[Codewiz]

We will return to a Dictatorship. The dictator will not be human. It will be a computer that looks at all the issues and makes decisions on the basis of who benefits the most and is harmed the least.

 

[Dudd]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
We will return to a Dictatorship. The dictator will not be human. It will be a computer that looks at all the issues and makes decisions on the basis of who benefits the most and is harmed the least.

That sounds a lot like the book Player Piano. Giant computers controlled everything, and the president only served as a figurehead to make the masses feel like they were in control. In reality, he had no power, and society was reduced to a bunch of people using the output that the machines created and fighting wars alongside the machines, sort of like The Matrix except coexisting with the machines rather than being used for energy.