Whatever happened to "fight or flight"?

[BudAshes]

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[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
A pistol/revolver is only accurate at 15-20 max.

Targeting & hitting a moving target at that range is not easy.

When you spray (with an auto/semi-auto) there is a kickback that makes accuracy close to impossible. One has to fire in a 2-3 round burst mode.

Had 2-3 people made the decision to not go down lightly, they could have as a group reached the shooter. They would have been some shots taken as a group; however, a good chance existed that not all three people would have been dropped.

When people freeze up, all advantage is lost and then it becomes a matter of the thought that it can not happen to me syndrome that lets then easily be controlled.

And thats just it. Say you were in that room and you decided to rush the shooter. If you're the only one who felt motivated to do so, chances are you'd be usuccessful, right? Sadly, that is probably the case. You can't trust your fellow student in such a situation. It isn't like brothers in arms.

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Unless you have military or police training on overcoming someone like the attacker, there was probably no way for the students to believe they could overcome the killer.

This is irrelevant. They SHOULD have gone down fighting instead of being lines up and slaughtered like sheet. Their actions defied both logic and common sense.

Yeah thats a good idea. Anytime we see any one with a gun everyone should just run right at him while he guns everyone down. ****** retard. Id love to see you in this situation, while you cry like a baby hiding under your desk.

 

[Tommouse]

I would like to think that I would have enough wits about me to make an effort, as it has been said many times in the thread. I would love to have the training to be able to keep my head on strait in such a situation, but as stated that comes best from the military. As much as I would love the training (not to mention the PT) of the military I'm not OK with signing away four years of my life. I'm too much of a control freak for that.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well hopefully I can give some information on what the typical classroom arrangement is. Typically in non-lecture rooms in the older building on VT (Such as Norris) the teacher, as well as a black/white board is next to the door with rows of chairs facing them. In the lecture rooms typically it is opposite of that. Either way, unless one were to go plowing through rows of Desk-Chair combinations (Avg 30lbs or so) WITH PEOPLE IN THEM, towards the door, there is no way for them to rush the shooter.

Additionally, you also need to remember that the shooter was dual wielding pistols with extended mags. If they were 32 round clips in each gun, that would be 64 bullets. That means there were at least 2 bullets for every person in the room. Since he had thought this through, we could also make the assumption that he would fire one at a time, and then the other while reloading the other or at least attempting to reload it.

The construction is because not to far away from Norris is, McBryde Hall- A Math building where they are working on the steam pipes that run beneath the campus. Furthermore, there are pile-drivers and other heavy machinery for the construction of the new building a few feet away from that. The construction would be very very audible from Norris and might sound similar to a gun shot.

Given these circumstances and obstacles, there is absolutely no way, barring the exceptions of students standing or what not, that they could have rushed the shooter.

Finally, as for the mental situation, it depends on who you are. I have seen a lot of people saying that "this generation is softer" or what not. I don't care what generation you are from, survival instinct and the element of surprise will ALWAYS come into play.

If I were in that room, I like you, would like to think that I would have done everything in my power to protect my friends- even if it would have cost me my life. But since I was not in the same position that they were in, I can't accurately say that I would.

I would also like to say, that in some lecture rooms where he almost went person to person, that is really the time I would feel helpless. You can't play dead, you can't shut the door, you can't get to him fast enough.

In any of these situations, it would take incredible poise, and on the spot thinking to handle the situation. To say, "I would do this (Even if you have had a life or death experience) is irrelevant because you weren't in that exact situation)

-Kevin

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Unless you have military or police training on overcoming someone like the attacker, there was probably no way for the students to believe they could overcome the killer.

This is irrelevant. They SHOULD have gone down fighting instead of being lines up and slaughtered like sheet. Their actions defied both logic and common sense.

Yeah thats a good idea. Anytime we see any one with a gun everyone should just run right at him while he guns everyone down. ****** retard. Id love to see you in this situation, while you cry like a baby hiding under your desk.

If I am going to die anyway I damn well intend to die fighting, not cowering underneath a table. Sorry, but I just have a different mentality than you. Granted, neither of us have been in this situation, but it is reasonable to assume that I have a far higher chance of fighting it than you do.