What you get if the President won't read the daily security briefings

[Thump553]

You guys and your drama and hype crack me up. The sky is falling, Trump is the worst ever, we're all doomed, run for your bunkers!

I expect it from some of the other clowns on here, but eskimo, you're normally more level headed. You seem to be losing it over the Trump election. Relax man.

I consider myself extremely level-headed, am 63 years old and have voted both GOP and Dem for Presidents in the past. I also fall into what you regard as the Chicken Little class. I honestly believe that if ALL Trump is is the most corrupt President ever (because in his case corruption will be from the top down) then we will have gotten off lightly. I also think it will be a positive move if he voluntarily leaves office after his four or eight years.

My father's generation was the one that went through the Depression and fought WWII. I'm very depressed when I think how far our country has fallen, especially under the Presidents from my generation (GWB and Trump). I honestly believe the American Century is over and USA's days as the only superpower are numbered. Worst of all, nearly all of our downfall was self-inflicted.

 

[kage69]

Bush should never have mentioned the yellowcake deal. We knew that was a French plant before it even went public. Iraq had over five hundred tons of yellowcake; they needed more and better ways to enrich it to bomb grade, not more yellowcake itself. By using that story with his "the British have learned" disclaimor, he undermined his whole case. Same thing (to a lesser degree) with Curveball. Dude faces death by torture if he returns to Iraq; it doesn't take an intelligence expert to understand that he's highly motivated to say that not only is Hussein is the Devil but also a direct threat to us.

I was addressing Gryz's ridiculous claim that there was a consensus among our people back before the 2003 invasion. Not trying to relive those days, but it was precisely because Cheney and Rumsfeld weren't getting the answers they wanted that the Office of Special Projects was created.

There was hardly a consensus over Curveball (Rafid al-Janabi) either, with the BND and our own farmboys dismissing him as an unreliable liar years prior to Cheney using that lab fiction as support to invade. Cheney and Co. ignored that and what you stated.

 

[JSt0rm]

There will be a giant terrorist attack on the orange satans watch and lots of americans will die. Trump will blame obama. trumps followers will blame obama. then trump will blame pence and throw him under the bus. At that point when 10000 american civilians are dead we may see some mea culpa from the trump followers. Unfortunately it will take mass death of liberals to make that happen.

 

[Muse]

Well, that's someone else's job. Trump is into the pleasure principle. He'll have Pence attend those and let his opinion rule... unless he objects. Of course, he'll keep pretending that he's in charge, gets full credit for all the great things he's doing. If you don't think they're great, that's your problem (in his opinion). That's the way the Trump administration will work and that'll be the gestalt thereafter. Trumper's go along for the ride. Some will fall off the trailer along the way. Collateral damage. The pattern is already clear.

 

[JSt0rm]

If it is obvious that it was the Russians hacked the DNC, where is the URL where I can read how they did it ? I know a bit about computers, even a bit about security. And I know quite a bit about networking. I'm sure that if there is evidence, I will be able to understand it. Again, where can I see it with my own eyes ?
As long as we can't see it, and have to "trust the intelligence", all claims are just as trustworthy as the bible. "Just have faith, everything that is written is true".

Note, I wasn't even saying I don't believe the Russians did the DNC hack. It's very likely they did. What I don't like is that now loads of unrelated problems in the US will be attributed to Russian hacks, true or not. And what I certainly don't like is how half the US now believes Trump won the election "because the Russians". If you wanna blame someone for Trump, blame Fox News and the alt-right news for the despicable way they portrayed Clinton over the last year. And blame your own FBI. What Comey did was unbelievable. And even more amazing is that he isn't in jail for it yet. I can't remember the old KGB pulling a stunt like that.

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If you want to read about Syria, and how the US uses the strategy to fck up other countries for its own benefits, read this: http://www.politico.eu/article/why-...s-in-syria-mideast-conflict-oil-intervention/
But I guess you think the author of that article is also some misguided commie-lover.

^^^ this guy is a russian infiltrator. He is trying to shape your beliefs.

 

[werepossum]

^^^ this guy is a russian infiltrator. He is trying to shape your beliefs.

Freakin' Russians with their fake news and Fallout hacking computers! They're everywhere! Only by enforcing rigid uniformity of thought can we protect ourselves, because after they outsmarted Hillary and Obama, what chance do the rest of us have? So the thought police are actually your friends, citizen.

 

[momeNt]

Here's a question. What is the harm in putting Russia on trial for the hacks? Is there any ability to do that?

 

[fskimospy]

Here's a question. What is the harm in putting Russia on trial for the hacks? Is there any ability to do that?

In a trial the defense has the power to demand the government turn over the evidence that is used against them (and rightly so!). That would likely require the CIA/NSA/whoever to disclose sources and methods to a hostile foreign power.

 

[dank69]

Here's a question. What is the harm in putting Russia on trial for the hacks? Is there any ability to do that?

In a trial the defense has the power to demand the government turn over the evidence that is used against them (and rightly so!). That would likely require the CIA/NSA/whoever to disclose sources and methods to a hostile foreign power.

Not sure why we would want to go after Russia anyway. I don't fault them at all for trying to shape the world to be better for them. I blame gullible/ignorant Americans for being incapable of processing information.