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What would you have done?

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Originally posted by: Kev
I just don't feel like arguing about it, I've done it plenty of times before (I think with you quite a few times) and it's just the same argument over & over & over again.
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I know. It's completely irresolvable and unwinnable. Basically, you make a judgement call as to what point it is acceptable to terminate a pregnancy and that's the long and short of it. There's just no way to "win" your position on the matter. I was indirectly pointing this out by asking you impossible to answer questions.

 
Originally posted by: nan0bug
Originally posted by: Kev
Originally posted by: nan0bug
Originally posted by: Kev
hey nan0 do you have a crush on amused?
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no. i do want a piece of your sweet, sweet ass, however.
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I'd rather die in a vat of acid
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I'd rather not get another warning from the mods. 🙂
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Perhaps you could just suggest that the person drawing your ire take a moment to perish in an instance of rapid oxidation. The mods might let that slide. 😛

 
I can't say exactly what I would do in her case since it's not my own flesh and blood child. What I would be inclined to do though, is exactly what she did. As far as I can see and hope, I want a normal son or daughter. Who doesn't ? But that may be enough drive for me to decide to abort. But again, I won't know if I truly feel this way when it comes time that he or she is mine.
 
Originally posted by: lastrhino
My wife and I are currently pregnant with twin boys (Jack and Evan). We found out at 20 weeks that one of the boys (Jack) has Dandy Walker Syndrome (DWS) and has already sustained significant brain damage (there is less than 50% of the brain matter that there should be) as a result. We were also told that it looked like he had some heart defects as well.

To make a long story short, 7 weeks and many tests later, Jack has been cleared of any heart defect, yet the hydrocephalus (caused by the DWS) is progressive, and damage continues to be done. The plan is to deliver at 32-34 weeks so they can operate on Jack sooner, and still not harm Evan too much with the premature birth.

It's almost a guarantee that Jack will be mentally handicapped, although the extent won't be known for a while.

Terminating the pregnancy was presented as an option, but obviously that would involve losing both babies. Even if there was only Jack in the womb, we would never chose to terminate him. That is not our choice to make, but God's. Our job is to love and comfort Jack, watching God's plan for our son unfold.

It disgusts me that someone could chose to terminate a pregnancy in that scenario. However, is that better than that baby being neglected, abused or left in a dumpster if it wasn't terminated? I don't know.
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Wow. Sending prayers your way & hoping for a best-case scenario.

 
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Isshinryu
I'm sorry, but I find partial birth abortion to be murder. The baby is fully developed, mostly outside, and then stabbed in the head and the brains are sucked out...that's murder.
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How much experience do you have with severely mentally hanidcapped people? A friend of the family has 2 that he has taken as foster kids. Both are 21 and neither have even developed the mental capacity of a 2 year old, and never will. One just sits there, the other rocks back and forth. All day long.
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My older sister had down syndrome until she passed away 4 years ago. That really has to relevance to my position. If that child had a 20% chance of being normal, it should have been given that chance, or been taken care of before it was fully developed. A fully developed baby is a human life, and taking that for any reason, except in defense of your own or someone elses, is wrong. I'm not going to try to force my opinion on you, this thread simply asked me to state mine.
 
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: nan0bug
Originally posted by: Kev
Originally posted by: nan0bug
Originally posted by: Kev
hey nan0 do you have a crush on amused?
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no. i do want a piece of your sweet, sweet ass, however.
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I'd rather die in a vat of acid
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I'd rather not get another warning from the mods. 🙂
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Perhaps you could just suggest that the person drawing your ire take a moment to perish in an instance of rapid oxidation. The mods might let that slide. 😛
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Suggestion duly noted 🙂
 
My opinion, she just murdered her child. The thought of it sickens me. No doubt a difficult decision on her part. But I would have to say the wrong decision. The child deserved a chance at life.
 
Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
My opinion, she just murdered her child. The thought of it sickens me. No doubt a difficult decision on her part. But I would have to say the wrong decision. The child deserved a chance at life.
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Again: read up on Fragile X and then explain how that is "life".

 
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Kev
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Kev
Are you saying you're ready to adopt them?
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That has nothing to do with it. Having handicapped kids is different than choosing to adopt them. I give that foster parent all the credit in the world, but I wouldn't choose to take on such a burden. But if such a burden was placed on me, I wouldn't kill my own kid just so I can have an easy life.
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I don't think you can honestly say that until you're the one making the decision. You need to see something like Fragile X in person first; life is literally a nightmare for both the parents and the child for the duration of the kid's life. I'm not sure what purpose that serves. Perhaps you could enlighten me.
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I agree. Kill all the retards.
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Good response. I always appreciate the amount of thought Pro-Life people put into their stance on other people's decisions.
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But what he said is exactly what you are arguing in favor of. That we should kill people who have defects.
WTF difference does it make whether it's done when the child is halfway born or when the child is 10 years old. It's the EXACT same logic: The child has or will have a poor quality of life so put them out of their misery by killing them.
 
she killed her baby. it's that simple.

and i guarantee she will suffer emotionally and mentally for that decision the rest of her life.
 
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
She did the right thing.
This is the perfect example of why abortions should be legal.
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you have your opinion, and i have mine.
but remember you have your say only because your momma didn't abort you.

 
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
She did the right thing.
This is the perfect example of why abortions should be legal.
:thumbsup:
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you have your opinion, and i have mine.
but remember you have your say only because your momma didn't abort you.
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That's because she had every reason to believe he'd be a perfectly healthy child. Which is NOT THE ISSUE AT HAND.

Just in case you missed that. :roll:

 
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
She did the right thing.
This is the perfect example of why abortions should be legal.
:thumbsup:
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you have your opinion, and i have mine.
but remember you have your say only because your momma didn't abort you.
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That's because she had every reason to believe he'd be a perfectly healthy child. Which is NOT THE ISSUE AT HAND.

Just in case you missed that. :roll:
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I was just going to say that.
 
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
She did the right thing.
This is the perfect example of why abortions should be legal.
:thumbsup:
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you have your opinion, and i have mine.
but remember you have your say only because your momma didn't abort you.
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That's because she had every reason to believe he'd be a perfectly healthy child. Which is NOT THE ISSUE AT HAND.

Just in case you missed that. :roll:
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didn't miss it Fausto. 20% is 20% - a one in five chance.
 
Originally posted by: moshquerade
she killed her baby. it's that simple.

and i guarantee she will suffer emotionally and mentally for that decision the rest of her life.
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She killed a baby that could not survive without constant care for the rest of his life most likely.

Are you beliefs based on religion or logic?

Nature shows that if an animal is mentally defective, it won't survive. Only reason mental defects are sustained when it comes to a human is the parents take on the responsibility to care for it.

That is a HUGE thing to ask of anyone. Humans reproduce because of the natural urge to spread our seed. Caring for a mentally defective child goes against this completely.

Abortion would not be neccessary if more people were willing to adopt children. But HELL, we can't even place all the normal kids born where the parent/parents give them up.

So when all the orphaned kids get adopted and we have a large group of people willing to adopt mentally retarded children come back here and you can condemn something.

I didn't ask people if they condemned her actions. I asked what they would have done.
 
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
She did the right thing.
This is the perfect example of why abortions should be legal.
:thumbsup:
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you have your opinion, and i have mine.
but remember you have your say only because your momma didn't abort you.
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That's because she had every reason to believe he'd be a perfectly healthy child. Which is NOT THE ISSUE AT HAND.

Just in case you missed that. :roll:
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didn't miss it Fausto. 20% is 20% - a one in five chance.
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... and a 4 in 5 chance of not being healthy.
 
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
She did the right thing.
This is the perfect example of why abortions should be legal.
:thumbsup:
Click to expand...
you have your opinion, and i have mine.
but remember you have your say only because your momma didn't abort you.
Click to expand...
That's because she had every reason to believe he'd be a perfectly healthy child. Which is NOT THE ISSUE AT HAND.

Just in case you missed that. :roll:
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didn't miss it Fausto. 20% is 20% - a one in five chance.
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Right and an 80% chance of having an existence one step removed from hell on earth for both parent and child. Don't tell me you wouldn't even consider doing what she did if you were in her position.

 
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