What would you do to bring about peace in Israel/Palestine?

[MotF Bane]

Exodus to the US, the real promised land. Fairy tales aside, nowhere have the Jews been as safe and prospered as much as in the US.

And what state would you give them as their country?

 

[BoomerD]

And what state would you give them as their country?

Mexico.

Why bring the Jews here to the USA? Don't we already have enough?

 

[MotF Bane]

Mexico.

Why bring the Jews here to the USA? Don't we already have enough?

So, uh, southern California?

 

[Lemon law]

And what state would you give them as their country?

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Maybe the mistake made in Israel. If you allow the Jews to be a political majority all the principles of good governance go down the toilet, but the USA could easy assimilate 5.6 million Jews, 2 million Arabs, and three million Palestinians. And as long as they are widely dispersed and don't become majority voting blocks anywhere, no one would even notice as the great American melting pot would barely burp.

As for a depopulated Israel. we can sell it to various theme parks as religion land, as they milk Christian, Jewish, and Muslims visitors with roller coaster rides and the religious raptures. Where else can you see religious re inactors dressed up as Jesus, Mohamed, Abraham, Pontious Pilot, Judas, and Moses. And as a bonus such theme parks could stage mock battles on the plains of Armageddon.

 

[MotF Bane]

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Maybe the mistake made in Israel. If you allow the Jews to be a political majority all the principles of good governance go down the toilet, but the USA could easy assimilate 5.6 million Jews, 2 million Arabs, and three million Palestinians. And as long as they are widely dispersed and don't become majority voting blocks anywhere, no one would even notice as the great American melting pot would barely burp.

As for a depopulated Israel. we can sell it to various theme parks as religion land, as they milk Christian, Jewish, and Muslims visitors with roller coaster rides and the religious raptures. Where else can you see religious re inactors dressed up as Jesus, Mohamed, Abraham, Pontious Pilot, Judas, and Moses. And as a bonus such theme parks could stage mock battles on the plains of Armageddon.

 

[BoomerD]

So, uh, southern California?

No...Tex-Ass.

 

[MotF Bane]

No...Tex-Ass.

Certainly would have spare land for it.

 

[BoomerD]

Certainly would have spare land for it.

Similar climate and landscape as well...

Besides, Texas is very right-wing...and the righties love them some Israel...

 

[EagleKeeper]

On the one hand you have the Palestinians. They saw a huge influx of European jews settle in their country.

What country?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Cut off all US aid to Israel. When the Israelis have to pay for the maintenance of their apartheid state all by their lonesome, maybe they'll find a path to negotiation.

US Aid may be the only thing the is preventing a scorched earth policy.

Everytime the Arabs and/or the Pals have attacked Israel; they have gotten slapped down hard and run to the UN/US for protection.

ISrael has been willing to stop the extermination of the vermin that attacked them as a result of trying to be a good member.
REmove/aling the world against them and what leverage is there.

You embolden the attacker and remove any incentive to hold back in response.

 

[IronWing]

US Aid may be the only thing the is preventing a scorched earth policy.

Everytime the Arabs and/or the Pals have attacked Israel; they have gotten slapped down hard and run to the UN/US for protection.

ISrael has been willing to stop the extermination of the vermin that attacked them as a result of trying to be a good member.
REmove/aling the world against them and what leverage is there.

You embolden the attacker and remove any incentive to hold back in response.

Every time the idea of suspending aid to Israel comes up this blackmail bullshit is the standard reply. The assumption here is that Israel is a mad dog that we have to keep on a leash or it goes crazy on its neighbors and the folks under its rule. This is really no different than the behavior of the North Korean government.

 

[nonlnear]

Forced intermarriage for everyone. Abolish ethnic identities and peace will have a chance. Yes, it would cost a generation of strife, but after that they would be home free *rimshot*.

You want solutions that would be effective and compatible with modern sensibilities? I got nothing. Possibly because modern sensibilities are incompatible with premodern hatred.

 

[Infohawk]

Forced intermarriage for everyone. Abolish ethnic identities and peace will have a chance.

I like it.

 

[iGas]

1. The US treat Israel and Palestine the same way they treat all Arab countries.

2. Cutoff weapons funding to Israel, and encourage allies to not trade or supply weapons to Israel or Palestine.

3. Regularly inspects and shut down Israel nuclear bombs, biological, and chemical weapon facilities.

4. Bring both Israelis & Palestinians government to world court.

5. Bring people that steals lands and shoot rockets to court.

6. Bring American traitors and spies to court if they gave weapons, industrial, technology, and sensitive information to foreign countries.

7. Shutdown institutions and temples that have ulterior motive/s that step beyond the intention of serving the American populist.

8. Deport Islam & Jewish fanatics out of America to their respective correspondence.

9. Boot people out of politic & judictional system that are pro religion (be it Christian, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, etc...)

10. Prosecute people that spread racial & religious hates.

 

[iGas]

Forced intermarriage for everyone. Abolish ethnic identities and peace will have a chance. Yes, it would cost a generation of strife, but after that they would be home free *rimshot*.

You want solutions that would be effective and compatible with modern sensibilities? I got nothing. Possibly because modern sensibilities are incompatible with premodern hatred.

That may or may not work as history have shown that intermarriage between factions isn't an absolute solution.

Kings/queens/lords have been known to have intermarriage between factions in the past but it is not a way to strike an alliance between factions, because in some case it proved to have the exact opposite affect and result in wars.

 

[nonlnear]

That may or may not work as history have shown that intermarriage between factions isn't an absolute solution.

Kings/queens/lords have been known to have intermarriage between factions in the past but it is not a way to strike an alliance between factions, because in some case it proved to have the exact opposite affect and result in wars.

So in the worst case scenario, there would be no harm done!

 

[Lemon law]

Gotta really despise this allegation of, "Kings/queens/lords have been known to have intermarriage between factions in the past but it is not a way to strike an alliance between factions, because in some case it proved to have the exact opposite affect and result in wars.

Tell me again what the fuck the royalty of Kings and Queens who were assumed to own entire countries 800 hundred years ago has to do with Israel now?

But yes, that was their royal pain in the ass problem then, how to assure continuity of royal rule. Short answer, you married off the the sons and daughters of the current royal ruler to some semi-hostile also royal ruled state and in so doing, de royals converted potentials rivals into allies by marriage.

About 400 years ago that system crapped out, when we started beheading kings and queens instead of believing their divine right bullshit.

But what they hay, maybe Bozo Netanyuhu can marry off his daughter to some Palestinian and we will have peace on earth.

Or we can talk about all them missing Mexican Indians, who just married off with Spanish conquers, and in so doing became almost all of the Mexican people. Or many of our missing American Indians, how many millions of current American citizens have American Indian blood in their woodpiles? And now damn proud of it to boot.

Maybe nothing royal in those sexual unions, but if they could live with each other then, there is something horribly defective about groups of us and them now!

 

[sandorski]

I'd give them a choice:

1) Abide by the original UN proposal
2) Turn it into a Wildlife Reserve and tell everyone inside to GTFO.

Choose wisely.

 

[iGas]

Gotta really despise this allegation of, "Kings/queens/lords have been known to have intermarriage between factions in the past but it is not a way to strike an alliance between factions, because in some case it proved to have the exact opposite affect and result in wars.

Tell me again what the fuck the royalty of Kings and Queens who were assumed to own entire countries 800 hundred years ago has to do with Israel now?

But yes, that was their royal pain in the ass problem then, how to assure continuity of royal rule. Short answer, you married off the the sons and daughters of the current royal ruler to some semi-hostile also royal ruled state and in so doing, de royals converted potentials rivals into allies by marriage.

About 400 years ago that system crapped out, when we started beheading kings and queens instead of believing their divine right bullshit.

But what they hay, maybe Bozo Netanyuhu can marry off his daughter to some Palestinian and we will have peace on earth.

Or we can talk about all them missing Mexican Indians, who just married off with Spanish conquers, and in so doing became almost all of the Mexican people. Or many of our missing American Indians, how many millions of current American citizens have American Indian blood in their woodpiles? And now damn proud of it to boot.

Maybe nothing royal in those sexual unions, but if they could live with each other then, there is something horribly defective about groups of us and them now!

Arranged marriage doesn't work well in third world countries let alone in industrialize/develop countries.

At the present we have racial violent of Jews against Palestinians, and force marriage between the 2 factions would change racial violent into domestic violent between family members.

IMHO, force intermarriage between Jews & Arabs isn't going to stop the violent, unless everyone in the region are rendered equally poor or equally wealthy, beside the 10 points I stated above.

PS. And give the Jews/Palestinians a common enemy.

 

[MotF Bane]

I'd give them a choice:

1) Abide by the original UN proposal
2) Turn it into a Wildlife Reserve and tell everyone inside to GTFO.

Choose wisely.

And what about the Arabs who chose not to abide by the UN proposal?

 

[sandorski]

And what about the Arabs who chose not to abide by the UN proposal?

The choice is clear.

 

[MotF Bane]

The choice is clear.

Well, no, it's not. What if one side is willing to live by the UN proposal, and the other is not? :hmm:

 

[sandorski]

Well, no, it's not. What if one side is willing to live by the UN proposal, and the other is not? :hmm:

Then some ass is gonna get kicked. OTOH, here's the deal, just to prevent shenanigans. If 1 side doesn't abide by Choice 1, Choice 2 is instituted by Default.

 

[Schadenfroh]

I would do nothing. They choose to live there, they choose to fight.

I agree, let them do their thing. We spend way too much time trying to fix problems that cannot be solved without doing things that we are not willing to do.

2 countries, first one to attack the other gets 24 hours notice and becomes a parking lot.

Does this include Palestinian "civilians" firing katyusha rockets at Israeli cities or only "official" actions on part of the Palestinian "military."

Cut off all US aid to Israel.

We give aid to Egypt, the Palestinians, etc. I back terminating ALL foreign aid / free handouts to every country and just let private charities deal with it. However, we should continue to sell them all arms and supplies as long as they do not pose a threat to the US.

nowhere have the Jews been as safe and prospered as much as in the US.

They own the USA.. . Iraq war was 100% for Israel's safety and security..

Wait, I thought the Iraq War was a Christian Crusade to slaughter innocent Muslims. So, now it is Christian Crusaders being manipulated into protecting Israel by evil Jewish Overlords who control the US? Not even some blood for oil?

Why bring the Jews here to the USA? Don't we already have enough?

Hmm, I wonder how the forums would react if this statement was about "undocumented" Mexican workers....

If you allow the Jews to be a political majority all the principles of good governance go down the toilet

Ahh, I am sure many thought the same about blacks.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Everytime the Arabs and/or the Pals have attacked Israel; they have gotten slapped down hard and run to the UN/US for protection.

ISrael has been willing to stop the extermination of the vermin that attacked them as a result of trying to be a good member.
REmove/aling the world against them and what leverage is there.

You embolden the attacker and remove any incentive to hold back in response.

Wiki seems to disagree with you.

In 1973, Kissinger negotiated the end to the Yom Kippur War, which had begun on October 6, 1973 when Egypt and Syria attacked Israel in retaliation to 1967's Israeli offensive and invasion of Sinai. Kissinger has published lengthy and dramatic telephone transcripts from this period in the 2002 book Crisis. One week later, under Nixon's direction, and against Kissinger's initial opposition,[30] the US military conducted the largest military airlift in history to aid Israel on October 12, 1973. US action contributed to the 1973 oil crisis in the United States and its Western European allies, which ended in March 1974.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger#1973_Yom_Kippur_War