CADsortaGUY
Lifer
So the Aid to the Palestinians will be cut off as well? (from other Israel hating countries)
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
IronWing
No Lifer
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Works for me. But don't pretend the situation is symmetrical. There is only one power in Israel and that is Israel. As the sovereign it is the Israeli government's responsibility to all the peoples under its rule to find a just peace.
Fine, replace country with land? Is it their fault they were colonized by the British. Do you dispute that Palestinians had been living in the area long before European jews did?
dahunan
Lifer
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The premise that Israels founders used terrorism against the peoples in the area where they wanted land.. care to refute it
Israels founders (Zionists) also murdered the first UN Peacekeeper who came to the region to try and bring peace.. Zionists don't want peace if it limits them
How long ago was this war that gave them extra land? Have they taken any more than that since then.. unjustly?
^^ American citizens get pissed off when someone parks too close to their car.. .but you think Palestinians should kiss Israeli ass even after LAND gets stolen??
You have no ability to think outside your borders or culture?
Would you really be okay with that if Israel wasn't as powerful as it actually is?
dahunan
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exactly.. Oppress one for 50 years.. and then just take the gloves off and beat it like a miserable little 5th grader..
^^ is that what you are saying?
So what about all the Arabs there who aren't Palestinian? Most aren't what about them? They're just trouble starters, maybe they should all leave so the Israelies can deal with the Palestinians they actually moved in next to.
dahunan
Lifer
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So what about Religious fucking kooks who will murder other God created humans so their super people can live there
Fwiw.. I don't understand wtf you are trying to ask me.. are you asking if Israeli/Jewish TERRORISM is cool.. my answer is NO
dahunan
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theeedude
Lifer
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I wouldn't go that far. There is a geopolitical neocon hubris that lead to Iraq. Israel policy is more of a symptom of that than the cause.
JEDIYoda
Lifer
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You would be suprised what Israel was able to accomplish militarily before we decided to aid them and help them.
The bottom line....somebody would help them.....
Yet I would venture to say if we were not helping them there would be no Palestinian issue.
Mainly because as it is they have been holding back knowing full well we would help. As if they truly need our help....they don`t!!
JEDIYoda
Lifer
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You do not understand the history of that region...
The assassins were members of Lehi (Lohamei Herut Israel—Fighters for the Freedom of Israel), better known as the Stern Gang. Its three leaders had decided a week earlier to have Bernadotte killed because they believed he was partial to the Arabs. One of those leaders was Yitzhak Shamir, who in 1983 would become prime minister of Israel.1
Bernadotte had been chosen the United Nations mediator for Palestine four months earlier in what was the U.N.'s first serious attempt at peacemaking in the post-World War II world. As a hero of the war, when his mediation efforts on behalf of the International Red Cross saved 20,000 persons, including thousands of Jews, from Nazi concentration camps, Bernadotte seemed a natural choice for the post.2 The terms of the mediator's mandate were to "promote a peaceful adjustment of the future situation in Palestine" and to allow him to mediate beyond the terms of the Partition Plan.3
It had been only on Nov. 29, 1947 that the U.N. General Assembly had voted to partition Palestine into Arab and Jewish states. Yet, as had been widely predicted, that action had led to war. Fighting intensified after elements of five Arab armies moved into Palestine the day after Israel proclaimed its establishment on May 14, 1948. Bernadotte's first action had been to arrange a truce, which lasted from June 11 to July 9.
During the lull, Bernadotte had put forward his first proposal for solving the conflict. Instead, it was to seal his fate. Bernadotte's transgression, in the view of Jewish zealots, was to include in his June 28 proposal the suggestion that Jerusalem be placed under Jordanian rule, since all the area around the city was designated for the Arab state.4 -- that would never happen@!! The Jerusalem issue is a touchy one at best!!
JEDIYoda
Lifer
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-- actually I also believe there should be a seperate Palestinian state.
But in my opinion the Palestinians have to honestly want that to happen, as does fatah and Hamas....and the other Arabs states.
I have a question for anyone (except the usual bad posters) who would like to answer:
When has a similar situation been resolved reasonably well, and how?
When I say 'similar', I mean a situation with something on common so that the solution there might be useful.
When has a similar situation been resolved reasonably well, and how?
When I say 'similar', I mean a situation with something on common so that the solution there might be useful.
Drop a 100 ton tungsten rod on Jerusalem from orbit. Nothing to fight over.
Seriously though, just stop American aid to Israel, including their vote in the UN Security council. Then Israel will actually have to be a good neighbour instead of running to daddy whenever its in trouble for being a bully.
Seriously though, just stop American aid to Israel, including their vote in the UN Security council. Then Israel will actually have to be a good neighbour instead of running to daddy whenever its in trouble for being a bully.
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