Its basically the same issues then.
If Intel was on par with price it would certainly make a difference.
If Intel was on par with price it would certainly make a difference.
For my next pc, its going to be amd 64 because prescotts are intel's failure. and in 2 years, i will get whoever offers the best performance/price ratio.
will desktop dothans be offered in 2 years time?
will desktop dothans be offered in 2 years time?
~50% AMD Market Share.
Both companies woudl have to be innovating like crazy and keeping prices down if there were true competition.
"back to"? 
I have an Intel rig. When I built it I didn't seek advice and made the assumption that so many newbies do that they were better. As it turns out though, I've taken quite an interest in video encoding and so it wasn't that bad a purchase after all. P4s > aXPs for that purpose, and those were the two choices when I built my pc.
If I were building now, I'm still not sure what I'd do. I have a feeling I might go with an Intel HT chip, as I multitask a LOT (and not things that MT easily like browser windows either), and also because HT chips supposedly add ~20% to video encoding speed... not quite the 100% that a duallie setup would do, but not negligible either. If I only gamed I'd go with an a64 no questions. As others have said, it's price/performance - but not everyone is interested in only gaming performance.
I have an Intel rig. When I built it I didn't seek advice and made the assumption that so many newbies do that they were better. As it turns out though, I've taken quite an interest in video encoding and so it wasn't that bad a purchase after all. P4s > aXPs for that purpose, and those were the two choices when I built my pc.If I were building now, I'm still not sure what I'd do. I have a feeling I might go with an Intel HT chip, as I multitask a LOT (and not things that MT easily like browser windows either), and also because HT chips supposedly add ~20% to video encoding speed... not quite the 100% that a duallie setup would do, but not negligible either. If I only gamed I'd go with an a64 no questions. As others have said, it's price/performance - but not everyone is interested in only gaming performance.
When Intel shows a willingness to innovate for consumers instead of foot dragging and flip-flopping.
I just upgraded to an A64 3200+ with the Soltek nForce 250Gb chipset. The board and chip are super fast especially with my 2 Seagate 200GB SATA drives. However, I am inches from dumping AMD. Why? I'll tell you...I bought the 754 platform knowing that the product is basically end of life. And now AMD is going to ship a 3200+ in the s939 platform for ~$200. So I just threw away $300 on an upgrade that is now definitely end of life and I'm stuck. At the time I upgraded the cheapest s939 chip was $350. That makes me want to jump ship and go to Intel. But now I don't have the money and I'd never recover what I have in my new board and CPU. I should have waited.
As the saying goes:
There are two types of computers, experimental and obsolete.
As the saying goes:
There are two types of computers, experimental and obsolete.
on board memory controller...and price
always been value minded, im student an dont hav lots of cash to throw arround. intel is too expensive considering u can get a faster performing chip in 90% of cases, that is cooler, has 64bit capability and all for the same or less than the price of the equally priced/ or eqivalent P4
until intel get some kind of ON CHIP memory controller i dont think they can win much
always been value minded, im student an dont hav lots of cash to throw arround. intel is too expensive considering u can get a faster performing chip in 90% of cases, that is cooler, has 64bit capability and all for the same or less than the price of the equally priced/ or eqivalent P4
until intel get some kind of ON CHIP memory controller i dont think they can win much
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Your last sentence makes the rest of your post contradictory. If you realize it's all doomed for obsolesence why sweat wether you have skt754 or 939 right now? 939 isn't much faster than skt754 and by the time you will need a new CPU you will need a new board too. If you really think you'd have just swapped CPUs later had you gotten a 939 setup then you haven't been in the upgrade game long enough
By the time your "would have been" 939 setup is bonking in performance much better 939 mainboards and CPUs with new enhancments and features will be available. IMO that makes wether you have 754 or 939 largely moot. Sure you could have waited for 939 sli boards as well, but where does it end? The waiting that is. There will always be something better and faster around the corner so I'd squash the buyer's remorse and stop trying to project your anger towards AMD. But hey! you do whatever you want, just don't expect some of us to agree with you that's all Besides, Intel has pulled enough skt changes over the years itself, so there is zero justification for switching to Intel based on that criteria :roll: Particularly given they seem to be in the transition to sktT themselves.
hmmmmmmmmm..
let me think
probaly some radical change to the current core prescott
also if better price to performance ratio
let me think
probaly some radical change to the current core prescott
also if better price to performance ratio
My first system had an AMD proc.... back when they were selling the 586 . I like AMD quite a bit and always owned AMD until I bought a Pentium III back in 1997. I kept the Pentium system for a few years until going back to an Athlon XP and now 64.
In the past I bought on price / performance basis.
My buying habits have now changed and I buy more based on reputation and in the interest of having competition. I know I'm strange I don't shop at Wal-Mart, Dell, and don't buy Intel. I am toying with going to Linux for everything but gaming. I don't like monopolies or unfair competition, just my own morals. I am happy AMD has the performance lead now and hope they can keep it up until the market share becomes more balanced.
I remember the days of Intel only and how high the processor prices were. AMD has helped prices come down. Competition is good... AMD needs to gain some market share and build some more fabs so they can remain competetive.
I won't shop at Wal-Mart or Dell.... for somewhat different reasons. Wal-mart is bad for small businesses, communities, and IMO is becoming a monopoly... Dell is doesn't do its customers any service by selling them computers with 128 Mb of ram & Windows XP and telling them it will run quick enough
. I like AMD quite a bit and always owned AMD until I bought a Pentium III back in 1997. I kept the Pentium system for a few years until going back to an Athlon XP and now 64.In the past I bought on price / performance basis.
My buying habits have now changed and I buy more based on reputation and in the interest of having competition. I know I'm strange
I don't shop at Wal-Mart, Dell, and don't buy Intel. I am toying with going to Linux for everything but gaming. I don't like monopolies or unfair competition, just my own morals. I am happy AMD has the performance lead now and hope they can keep it up until the market share becomes more balanced.I remember the days of Intel only and how high the processor prices were. AMD has helped prices come down. Competition is good... AMD needs to gain some market share and build some more fabs so they can remain competetive.
I won't shop at Wal-Mart or Dell.... for somewhat different reasons. Wal-mart is bad for small businesses, communities, and IMO is becoming a monopoly... Dell is doesn't do its customers any service by selling them computers with 128 Mb of ram & Windows XP and telling them it will run quick enough
but ive had equal use of both parties and well really cant compare them too much
first i had a p3 650mhz....because when it came to computers i never knew my @rse from my eblow
then an athlon xp, which amazed me with how fast it ran windows xp for jus general stuff, tho because i still never knew any better gaming sucked
then my parents upgraded the p3.....my friend was selling his old p4 2.4A rig with RD RAM which is in my sig and it was a nice bit faster than the athlon and alot cooler
now im back using amd for my main rig again athlon 64 in the 'spunkmeyer special in sig
had great experiences with both parties, but find amds price performance ratio jus too good for intel
first i had a p3 650mhz....because when it came to computers i never knew my @rse from my eblow
then an athlon xp, which amazed me with how fast it ran windows xp for jus general stuff, tho because i still never knew any better gaming sucked
then my parents upgraded the p3.....my friend was selling his old p4 2.4A rig with RD RAM which is in my sig and it was a nice bit faster than the athlon and alot cooler
now im back using amd for my main rig again athlon 64 in the 'spunkmeyer special in sig
had great experiences with both parties, but find amds price performance ratio jus too good for intel
Intel would have to have much better price/performance to make me switch. I like to support the little guy.
I'll use whatever system offers the best price/performance for the money I want to spend, for the tasks I'll use the machine the most for.
Who knows who that'll be a few years down the line..
Who knows who that'll be a few years down the line..
Best price/performance ratio gets my money, simple. I don't really care who has the fastest super high end stuff because I'm not buying that anyways.
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I agree--I went back to Intel during the height of the Northwood craze and have been very happy. I had previously been an AMD user for ~5 years.
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