What Would It Take to Prove the Existence of a God?

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
just keep in mind not a singe thing has ever been disproven in the bible. (archealogically/scientifically speaking of course, most evidence actually supports the bibles historical accounts)

There are many things that have been disproven.

I'm not saying EVERYTHING in it is wrong, but most certainly EVERYTHING in it isn't correct.

I would LOVE to see ANYTHING in the Bible proven wrong. Unless you're going to back up your claim that evidence exists that proves the Bible wrong with that evidence, an outrageous (to me) statement like that just makes my eyes roll.

age of the earth maybe?

 

[Atrail]

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[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
just keep in mind not a singe thing has ever been disproven in the bible. (archealogically/scientifically speaking of course, most evidence actually supports the bibles historical accounts)

There are many things that have been disproven.

I'm not saying EVERYTHING in it is wrong, but most certainly EVERYTHING in it isn't correct.

I would LOVE to see ANYTHING in the Bible proven wrong. Unless you're going to back up your claim that evidence exists that proves the Bible wrong with that evidence, an outrageous (to me) statement like that just makes my eyes roll.

I could bring up how the bible got the value of pi wrong. Kings 7:23

I could bring up the fact that the flood story was exaggerated. (It did happen, just not as widescale as described) It's been proven that there WAS a flood, but it was isolated merely to the mediterranean)

I could bring up many contradictions.

etc...

 

[Match]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion
I don't want proof. Finding out what's after this life is half the fun of dying!!

What's the other half? 😕

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Atrail

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
it's a leap of faith, you either believe what's written in the bible or you don't, just keep in mind not a singe thing has ever been disproven in the bible. (archealogically/scientifically speaking of course, most evidence actually supports the bibles historical accounts)

So you think there is enough water in the Earth to cover the whole thing as described in Old Testament?

Depends on whether you believe that the face of the earth changed after the flood to give us the mountains that we have now or not. If God exists and can create a universe, He'd probably know how to get rid of a litter water 🙂

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Atrail

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
it's a leap of faith, you either believe what's written in the bible or you don't, just keep in mind not a singe thing has ever been disproven in the bible. (archealogically/scientifically speaking of course, most evidence actually supports the bibles historical accounts)

So you think there is enough water in the Earth to cover the whole thing as described in Old Testament?

Depends on whether you believe that the face of the earth changed after the flood to give us the mountains that we have now or not. If God exists and can create a universe, He'd probably know how to get rid of a litter water 🙂

I fail to see a connection between water and mountain.

I do see a connection between tectonic plates and mountains however

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
just keep in mind not a singe thing has ever been disproven in the bible. (archealogically/scientifically speaking of course, most evidence actually supports the bibles historical accounts)

There are many things that have been disproven.

I'm not saying EVERYTHING in it is wrong, but most certainly EVERYTHING in it isn't correct.

I would LOVE to see ANYTHING in the Bible proven wrong. Unless you're going to back up your claim that evidence exists that proves the Bible wrong with that evidence, an outrageous (to me) statement like that just makes my eyes roll.

I could bring up how the bible got the value of pi wrong. Kings 7:23

I could bring up the fact that the flood story was exaggerated. (It did happen, just not as widescale as described) It's been proven that there WAS a flood, but it was isolated merely to the mediterranean)

I could bring up many contradictions.

etc...

1st Kings 7:23: "He made the Sea of cast metal, curcular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it."

How is this proving that pi is wrong? It's not talking about a perfect sphere, if that's what you're thinking.

About your second statement: just because evidence of a flood can be found around the mediterranean doesn't disprove the idea that there was ever a global flood.

 

[Atrail]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Depends on whether you believe that the face of the earth changed after the flood to give us the mountains that we have now or not. If God exists and can create a universe, He'd probably know how to get rid of a litter water 🙂

I do think the Earth's surface has changed over the years through plate tectonic movement, creating the mountains. God's creation ended and it was perfect as stated in the Bible. Getting rid of water is taking away from his perfect creation.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Atrail

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
it's a leap of faith, you either believe what's written in the bible or you don't, just keep in mind not a singe thing has ever been disproven in the bible. (archealogically/scientifically speaking of course, most evidence actually supports the bibles historical accounts)

So you think there is enough water in the Earth to cover the whole thing as described in Old Testament?

Depends on whether you believe that the face of the earth changed after the flood to give us the mountains that we have now or not. If God exists and can create a universe, He'd probably know how to get rid of a litter water 🙂

I fail to see a connection between water and mountain.

I do see a connection between tectonic plates and mountains however

The face of the antedeluvian world may have been extremely different, allowing for the amount of water that exists on the world today to have been enough to cover even the highest peaks. Today's world does not have enough water to cover the entire face of the planet as described in Genesis.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Atrail

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Depends on whether you believe that the face of the earth changed after the flood to give us the mountains that we have now or not. If God exists and can create a universe, He'd probably know how to get rid of a litter water 🙂

I do think the Earth's surface has changed over the years through plate tectonic movement, creating the mountains. God's creation ended and it was perfect as stated in the Bible. Getting rid of water is taking away from his perfect creation.

Woah woah waoh... what!? If He didn't want to "ruin" his "perfect" creation by getting rid of water, why did He create billions of stars that "get rid of" their gasses to give off light and heat?

 

[Match]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
just keep in mind not a singe thing has ever been disproven in the bible. (archealogically/scientifically speaking of course, most evidence actually supports the bibles historical accounts)

There are many things that have been disproven.

I'm not saying EVERYTHING in it is wrong, but most certainly EVERYTHING in it isn't correct.

I would LOVE to see ANYTHING in the Bible proven wrong. Unless you're going to back up your claim that evidence exists that proves the Bible wrong with that evidence, an outrageous (to me) statement like that just makes my eyes roll.

I could bring up how the bible got the value of pi wrong. Kings 7:23

I could bring up the fact that the flood story was exaggerated. (It did happen, just not as widescale as described) It's been proven that there WAS a flood, but it was isolated merely to the mediterranean)

I could bring up many contradictions.

etc...

I won't argue that some parts of the Bible are wrong, but I disagree with your first example. Here's the New Revised Standard Version of 1 Kings 7:23.

Then he made the molten sea; it was round, ten cubits from brim to brim, and five cubits high. A line of thirty cubits would encircle it completely.

I believe a cubit is an approximate unit of measure represented by the length from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger. Thus an approximate unit of measure was used to get a rough estimate of the dimensions of an object. It is correct from this point of view. If they were trying to obtain a precise value of pi, then they failed. But then, so would modern mathematics since pi is an irrational number. In the above verse they just got an approximate value of pi to be 3. I guess I'm just trying to say that that particular example could be interpretted different ways (approximate dimensions to give the reader an idea of size, or exact dimensions which are mathematically impossible).

Do you have any links to your second example? I haven't heard that before, and it sounds interesting.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

I'm still waiting for what parts of the Bible have been proven wrong...

 

[Match]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
I'm still waiting for what parts of the Bible have been proven wrong...

Many would argue that the theory of evolution successfully discounts the first two chapters of Genesis (the creation stories). Speaking of which, those two stories contradict each other in the order that things were created and how they were created. Were there two different creations of the universe?

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

edited, quote trees as bad

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
1st Kings 7:23: "He made the Sea of cast metal, curcular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it."

How is this proving that pi is wrong? It's not talking about a perfect sphere, if that's what you're thinking.

About your second statement: just because evidence of a flood can be found around the mediterranean doesn't disprove the idea that there was ever a global flood.

Only the fact that the mediterranean was the only place where the evidence was found.

For the sake of peace and to find a different topic though, I'll concede that the pi thing was probably an estimate.

Match:

I don't claim that these sources hold any credability, however they were the first few links I found when I ran a search for the topic.

Link1

Link2

Link3

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

A theory cannot disprove anything. The creation of the world cannot be proven or disproven to happen in any way at all, since it's not measurable, recordable, or repeatable. Creation theories are all excepted by faith, whether you believe in creationism, the big bang, etc.

 

[Joemonkey]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
I'm still waiting for what parts of the Bible have been proven wrong...

just for the record, and i hate to say it, you and i agree on many many things... for example, how PTC is the best bittorrent client and how bananaphone was the best thing EVER. However, as much as i hate to say it, PROVEN is a loaded word. i can prove to a lot of terrorists that america is a great country in many ways, but they still would blow stuff up. "the proof is in the pudding"

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
edited, quote trees as bad

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
1st Kings 7:23: "He made the Sea of cast metal, curcular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it."

How is this proving that pi is wrong? It's not talking about a perfect sphere, if that's what you're thinking.

About your second statement: just because evidence of a flood can be found around the mediterranean doesn't disprove the idea that there was ever a global flood.

Only the fact that the mediterranean was the only place where the evidence was found.

That does not disprove that a global flood occurred. Impirical evidence to support any theory is a good thing, mkay? Since it cannot be proven or disproven, believing that it did happen or did not happen is something you must accept in faith.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
...believing that it did happen or did not happen is something you must accept in faith.

See edit.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Joemonkey

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
I'm still waiting for what parts of the Bible have been proven wrong...

just for the record, and i hate to say it, you and i agree on many many things... for example, how PTC is the best bittorrent client and how bananaphone was the best thing EVER. However, as much as i hate to say it, PROVEN is a loaded word. i can prove to a lot of terrorists that america is a great country in many ways, but they still would blow stuff up. "the proof is in the pudding"

Exactly. And you can "prove" that the Bible says a lot of things that it really doesn't say by taking scripture out of context. However... until someone can come up with something that directly shows the Bible to be wrong, I'm all ears. Just because evidence that it is true has not been found yet does not constitute it is automatically wrong. I'm sure the theory of the earth being round and not flat was just a widely-accepted theory until it's shape was actually observed from space. Etc.

 

[Match]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
A theory cannot disprove anything. The creation of the world cannot be proven or disproven to happen in any way at all, since it's not measurable, recordable, or repeatable. Creation theories are all excepted by faith, whether you believe in creationism, the big bang, etc.

I agree that a theory cannot disprove anything. Well according to that logic, the entire Bible is accepted by faith (or not) and cannot be proven or disproven, and thus this entire discussion is moot. History is not measurable. It's not exactly repeatable. Although it is recordable, its recording is subjective, and so we get a biased version of what really happened.

JustAnAverageGuy, thanks for the links.

edit: grammar

 

[Joemonkey]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Joemonkey

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
I'm still waiting for what parts of the Bible have been proven wrong...

just for the record, and i hate to say it, you and i agree on many many things... for example, how PTC is the best bittorrent client and how bananaphone was the best thing EVER. However, as much as i hate to say it, PROVEN is a loaded word. i can prove to a lot of terrorists that america is a great country in many ways, but they still would blow stuff up. "the proof is in the pudding"

Exactly. And you can "prove" that the Bible says a lot of things that it really doesn't say by taking scripture out of context. However... until someone can come up with something that directly shows the Bible to be wrong, I'm all ears. Just because evidence that it is true has not been found yet does not constitute it is automatically wrong. I'm sure the theory of the earth being round and not flat was just a widely-accepted theory until it's shape was actually observed from space. Etc.

hey, i really can't dispute that argument, even though i disagree with you. however, i will kill anyone who tries to say you can't think that way!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Match

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
A theory cannot disprove anything. The creation of the world cannot be proven or disproven to happen in any way at all, since it's not measurable, recordable, or repeatable. Creation theories are all excepted by faith, whether you believe in creationism, the big bang, etc.

I agree that a theory cannot disprove anything. Well according to that logic, the entire Bible is accepted by faith (or not) and cannot be proven or disproven, and thus this entire discussion is moot. History is not measurable. It's not exactly repeatable. Although it is recordable, its recording is subjective, and so we get an biased version of what really happened.

JustAnAverageGuy, thanks for the links.

100% accurate statement. 🙂

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Joemonkey

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Joemonkey

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
I'm still waiting for what parts of the Bible have been proven wrong...

just for the record, and i hate to say it, you and i agree on many many things... for example, how PTC is the best bittorrent client and how bananaphone was the best thing EVER. However, as much as i hate to say it, PROVEN is a loaded word. i can prove to a lot of terrorists that america is a great country in many ways, but they still would blow stuff up. "the proof is in the pudding"

Exactly. And you can "prove" that the Bible says a lot of things that it really doesn't say by taking scripture out of context. However... until someone can come up with something that directly shows the Bible to be wrong, I'm all ears. Just because evidence that it is true has not been found yet does not constitute it is automatically wrong. I'm sure the theory of the earth being round and not flat was just a widely-accepted theory until it's shape was actually observed from space. Etc.

hey, i really can't dispute that argument, even though i disagree with you. however, i will kill anyone who tries to say you can't think that way!

:thumbsup:

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Match
I agree that a theory cannot disprove anything. Well according to that logic, the entire Bible is accepted by faith (or not) and cannot be proven or disproven, and thus this entire discussion is moot. History is not measurable. It's not exactly repeatable. Although it is recordable, its recording is subjective, and so we get an biased version of what really happened.

JustAnAverageGuy, thanks for the links.

100% accurate statement. 🙂

I do not contest the statement.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
just keep in mind not a singe thing has ever been disproven in the bible. (archealogically/scientifically speaking of course, most evidence actually supports the bibles historical accounts)

There are many things that have been disproven.

I'm not saying EVERYTHING in it is wrong, but most certainly EVERYTHING in it isn't correct.

name 1 single thing, that has been disproven beyond any doubt. that can be proven with actual proof.

the flood did happen, it's been proven there is enough water to cover the whole earth.

theory of evolution has sooo many holes in it it's unfathonable. these guys bring up so many reasons the theory is more akin to fiction it's unreal.

I am an open minded person and beleive facts, I have yet to see a fact disproving biblical history, many theory's yes, but never once a fact.

The world was created in 6 days, isn't it possible our miniscule understanding of space/time realationships merit logic that 6 days of god's time table is not the same as 6 days of our perception of time. on the first day light was created, coulda been the big bang theory or just our sun (we won't know until we meet God), but at that point in time the earth didn't exist, so where is the one revolution of our little sphere able to be measured by man yet?