Schadenfreude
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CKent
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This is a silly question and I've seen it posted here a million times before. I understand the point - you want people to see God in every day things the way you do. You wake up, it's a sunny day, God must love you... You're not going to convert anyone, you just come off as another nutcake who's too insecure in his beliefs for anyone else to not share them.
If there were proof... if seeing were possible... there'd be no need for faith. Some have faith that God exists, even without hardcore, factual, proof. Some do not... and some would not even if proof were staring them in the face.
Personally, I do believe.
Personally, I do believe.
QFT
If this were any other topic, a post with this amount of insight would end the thread; however, rationale is thrown out the window in religious threads.
AgaBoogaBoo
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?I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.? - Gandhi
Let's say God exists. Why would we blame the issues on him?
Just for the record: I'm not calling out Christians or anything... I think the basic premise can be applied to many other religions.
A supply of X whenever I would request it would be requirement for belief.
Note: I do not mean "X" to be slang for "ecstasy," a common social drug, but rather a placeholder for a thing.
After being stupid and using hard drugs, and waking up the next day, and getting tests done that show you are Fine..
Kadarin
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There is nothing I can think of that would make me "believe" in God. If something happens such that it reveals that God exists, then I will accept God's existence, but that is neither "belief" nor "faith". At the present time, there is no evidence whatsoever to support such an existence, so I feel that there is no point in such useless belief.
JulesMaximus
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I feel like I got in here late but I'll chime in anyway.
The times when I return to a belief in God, if only for a short time, is when the strangest coincidences happen. Sometimes I think there is a God and the bastard just has the greatest sense of humor. There have been times when situations have arisen that I seriously doubt could have happened without intervention. Situations like running into someone at the worst time in the worst place, where you never would have expected them and the chances of you two actually being there are one in a million. All I can really do after situations like that is laugh to myself and laugh at God for fscking with me.
I won't bother going into detail of these situations, but even for a cynic like myself they do give me a belief in God. And if God doesn't exist, the belief is still very helpful to some people who need a friend up in the sky to guide them through life. I grew up Catholic and used to pray constantly about the most random things, just like if you're talking to your best friend about what you're hoping for and how you'll improve. I guess you'd call God, at least, the big imaginary friend in the sky. Even if that is all God is I'm still happy to have grown up believing, even though I haven't prayed in years or gone to church.
The times when I return to a belief in God, if only for a short time, is when the strangest coincidences happen. Sometimes I think there is a God and the bastard just has the greatest sense of humor. There have been times when situations have arisen that I seriously doubt could have happened without intervention. Situations like running into someone at the worst time in the worst place, where you never would have expected them and the chances of you two actually being there are one in a million. All I can really do after situations like that is laugh to myself and laugh at God for fscking with me.
I won't bother going into detail of these situations, but even for a cynic like myself they do give me a belief in God. And if God doesn't exist, the belief is still very helpful to some people who need a friend up in the sky to guide them through life. I grew up Catholic and used to pray constantly about the most random things, just like if you're talking to your best friend about what you're hoping for and how you'll improve. I guess you'd call God, at least, the big imaginary friend in the sky. Even if that is all God is I'm still happy to have grown up believing, even though I haven't prayed in years or gone to church.
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I have had extremely similar experiences. If you have read the New Testemant, you know that Jesus was actually very comical.
Every person I have met that is, uhh, logically religious (if that makes sense, or maybe very religious, but not in a fundamentalist kind of way) has had a really good sense of humor, a very funny person. Including one member of AT, a gentleman I used to work with, and a few priests I knew from back in the days of my church-going.
If he or she proved to me that they existed. For example, showing themselves and then doing something impossible for a human being.
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Originally posted by: bamacre
I have had extremely similar experiences. If you have read the New Testemant, you know that Jesus was actually very comical.
Every person I have met that is, uhh, logically religious (if that makes sense, or maybe very religious, but not in a fundamentalist kind of way) has had a really good sense of humor, a very funny person. Including one member of AT, a gentleman I used to work with, and a few priests I knew from back in the days of my church-going.
I have a hard time lining up the idea of "God has a sense of humor" with the existence of things in the world such as brutal tribal genocide and suicide bombings. It seems to me that such a "haha" philosophy only arises in societies that are lucky enough to be politically and economically stable. If you're in Iraq or caught in the middle of a tribal war in Africa, I doubt you would have the luxury of such a way of thinking about God.
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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: bamacre
I have had extremely similar experiences. If you have read the New Testemant, you know that Jesus was actually very comical.
Every person I have met that is, uhh, logically religious (if that makes sense, or maybe very religious, but not in a fundamentalist kind of way) has had a really good sense of humor, a very funny person. Including one member of AT, a gentleman I used to work with, and a few priests I knew from back in the days of my church-going.
I have a hard time lining up the idea of "God has a sense of humor" with the existence of things in the world such as brutal tribal genocide and suicide bombings. It seems to me that such a "haha" philosophy only arises in societies that are lucky enough to be politically and economically stable. If you're in Iraq or caught in the middle of a tribal war in Africa, I doubt you would have the luxury of such a way of thinking about God.
Well, read the NT, Jesus was very comical at times. And very serious at other times as well. Man has the same capability, why can't God?
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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: bamacre
I have had extremely similar experiences. If you have read the New Testemant, you know that Jesus was actually very comical.
Every person I have met that is, uhh, logically religious (if that makes sense, or maybe very religious, but not in a fundamentalist kind of way) has had a really good sense of humor, a very funny person. Including one member of AT, a gentleman I used to work with, and a few priests I knew from back in the days of my church-going.
I have a hard time lining up the idea of "God has a sense of humor" with the existence of things in the world such as brutal tribal genocide and suicide bombings. It seems to me that such a "haha" philosophy only arises in societies that are lucky enough to be politically and economically stable. If you're in Iraq or caught in the middle of a tribal war in Africa, I doubt you would have the luxury of such a way of thinking about God.
Well, read the NT, Jesus was very comical at times. And very serious at other times as well. Man has the same capability, why can't God?
We are not talking about the simple "capability" to do such things. We are talking about the moral justification for doing such things.
God decides to ignore all the killings, torture, rape, and suffering in the world at, say, 11:15AM on a Saturday, to "fsck" with someone humorously?
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: bamacre
I have had extremely similar experiences. If you have read the New Testemant, you know that Jesus was actually very comical.
Every person I have met that is, uhh, logically religious (if that makes sense, or maybe very religious, but not in a fundamentalist kind of way) has had a really good sense of humor, a very funny person. Including one member of AT, a gentleman I used to work with, and a few priests I knew from back in the days of my church-going.
I have a hard time lining up the idea of "God has a sense of humor" with the existence of things in the world such as brutal tribal genocide and suicide bombings. It seems to me that such a "haha" philosophy only arises in societies that are lucky enough to be politically and economically stable. If you're in Iraq or caught in the middle of a tribal war in Africa, I doubt you would have the luxury of such a way of thinking about God.
I've had some pretty sh1tty things happen to me in my life. I'm sure most people have. You're committing the falacy of false consolation if you say I haven't suffered because someone else has suffered worse. During the worst things I've seen happen I can still see a certain humor to it, if there is indeed someone pulling the strings. Because if there is a God in the Christian sense, then death doesn't matter and the examples you mention of Iraq and Africa are only temporary states for those people. So yes, God may have an inside joke for tribal war and genocide and suicide bombings. One thing you may be interested to learn is that even in some of the worst conditions on this planet, many people do adopt a "haha" philosophy.
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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: bamacre
I have had extremely similar experiences. If you have read the New Testemant, you know that Jesus was actually very comical.
Every person I have met that is, uhh, logically religious (if that makes sense, or maybe very religious, but not in a fundamentalist kind of way) has had a really good sense of humor, a very funny person. Including one member of AT, a gentleman I used to work with, and a few priests I knew from back in the days of my church-going.
I have a hard time lining up the idea of "God has a sense of humor" with the existence of things in the world such as brutal tribal genocide and suicide bombings. It seems to me that such a "haha" philosophy only arises in societies that are lucky enough to be politically and economically stable. If you're in Iraq or caught in the middle of a tribal war in Africa, I doubt you would have the luxury of such a way of thinking about God.
Well, read the NT, Jesus was very comical at times. And very serious at other times as well. Man has the same capability, why can't God?
We are not talking about the simple "capability" to do such things. We are talking about the moral justification for doing such things.
God decides to ignore all the killings, torture, rape, and suffering in the world at, say, 11:15AM on a Saturday to "fsck" with someone humorously?
I don't think God ignores anything. And I believe that God can see and do numerous things simultaneously. God probably does not have to play by the rules of what we consider "time."
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