What would it cost me to water cool

[grimed]

Ordered a 750D while be hear Monday or Tuesday.
Working with frozen PC on parts for the new WC build should get a price tomorrow.

 

[aigomorla]

Take everyone's rad requirements and double it if u r after quiet.
Everyone here is doing numbers based on 1600rpm- 1800rpm values.

Your wish is 800rpm on fans which will probably reduce the efficiency in any rad by 50%.

Dual loops will allow u to be more flexible because u can have gpu rad fans at higher value and cpu at lower value. But most recommendation given in this thread would not pass my approval on a silent setup.

 

[guskline]

Take everyone's rad requirements and double it if u r after quiet.
Everyone here is doing numbers based on 1600rpm- 1800rpm values.

Your wish is 800rpm on fans which will probably reduce the efficiency in any rad by 50%.

Dual loops will allow u to be more flexible because u can have gpu rad fans at higher value and cpu at lower value. But most recommendation given in this thread would not pass my approval on a silent setup.

I agree aigomoria. Far too many want to run the least amount of rad space. I run 2 360 rads for my 3930k and 2 670s in sli.

 

[grimed]

I was wanting two Loops but I had a budget and went over just a bit getting a case that would work.

Let me see if i can paste what I got.

ex-blc-1612 Heatkiller GPU-X³ GTX Titan / 780 / 780 Ti "Hole Edition" Reference Design Full Coverage Water Block (15545) $129.99 $129.99
ex-tub-2543 XSPC G1/4" Thread 7/16" ID x 5/8" OD Low Profile Compression Fitting - Black Chrome V2 $5.99 $23.96
ex-tub-1022 XSPC High Flex PVC Tubing - 7/16" ID (5/8"OD) - Clear $2.50 $5.00
ex-liq-164 PrimoChill Liquid Utopia Bomb Bottle - 15mL - Clear (PCLUBT-CLR) $13.95 $13.95
ex-wat-262 XSPC Raystorm AX360 Extreme Universal CPU Water Cooling Kit w/ D5 Variant Pump Included and Free Dead-Water!

Select Distilled H20 Additives.: Free Dead-Water Biocidal Drops
$259.99 $259.99
ex-rad-440 XSPC AX240 Dual 120mm Radiator w/ Aluminum Enclosure - Black $79.99 $79.99
fan-913 XSPC 120mm x 25mm Radiator / Chassis Fan - 1650 RPM

 

[grimed]

I will move to a Two loop Rad later on may have to get a bigger case at that time two.
But it is good from what I can see to start out with 1 loop if that is all I can do and expand later on.
My wife I kinda upset with what I have spent so far so it may be a bit lol

 

[grimed]

I am not looking at taking the top of my CPU off though, If i tear it up I will be with out a PC for a bit.
I will never buy another CPU from intel again until they go back to making there heat sink and thermal paste as good as they use to.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Take everyone's rad requirements and double it if u r after quiet.
Everyone here is doing numbers based on 1600rpm- 1800rpm values.

Your wish is 800rpm on fans which will probably reduce the efficiency in any rad by 50%.

Dual loops will allow u to be more flexible because u can have gpu rad fans at higher value and cpu at lower value. But most recommendation given in this thread would not pass my approval on a silent setup.

Dual loops is so 2010...

Blocks I have:
- Quad R9 290x
- CPU Block (4930k)
- Mosfet Block
- PCH Block

Rads I have
- WaterKool Mo-Ra3 1080 Pro LT (with Push fans)
- Feser X Changer 480mm Push/Pull
- Feser X Changer 360mm Push/Pull
- Feser X Changer 240mm Push/Pull

Pumps:
3 x MCP 655 Pumps in serial

I think its more than enough rads and pumps. 😉

 

[Tweakin]

Take everyone's rad requirements and double it if u r after quiet.
Everyone here is doing numbers based on 1600rpm- 1800rpm values.

Your wish is 800rpm on fans which will probably reduce the efficiency in any rad by 50%.

Dual loops will allow u to be more flexible because u can have gpu rad fans at higher value and cpu at lower value. But most recommendation given in this thread would not pass my approval on a silent setup.

I would also add that the flow rate from the pump can make a major difference.

 

[aigomorla]

Dual loops is so 2010...

Blocks I have:
- Quad R9 290x
- CPU Block (4930k)
- Mosfet Block
- PCH Block

Rads I have
- WaterKool Mo-Ra3 1080 Pro LT (with Push fans)
- Feser X Changer 480mm Push/Pull
- Feser X Changer 360mm Push/Pull
- Feser X Changer 240mm Push/Pull

Pumps:
3 x MCP 655 Pumps in serial

I think its more than enough rads and pumps. 😉

Im wondering how this even applies to the op?
To fit all that in a case, you would require something larger then my MM.

I would also add that the flow rate from the pump can make a major difference.

At this point i think we can ignore flow rate as he doesnt have anything substantial that would eat flow.

I was wanting two Loops but I had a budget and went over just a bit getting a case that would work.

Let me see if i can paste what I got.

ex-blc-1612 Heatkiller GPU-X³ GTX Titan / 780 / 780 Ti "Hole Edition" Reference Design Full Coverage Water Block (15545) $129.99 $129.99
ex-tub-2543 XSPC G1/4" Thread 7/16" ID x 5/8" OD Low Profile Compression Fitting - Black Chrome V2 $5.99 $23.96
ex-tub-1022 XSPC High Flex PVC Tubing - 7/16" ID (5/8"OD) - Clear $2.50 $5.00
ex-liq-164 PrimoChill Liquid Utopia Bomb Bottle - 15mL - Clear (PCLUBT-CLR) $13.95 $13.95
ex-wat-262 XSPC Raystorm AX360 Extreme Universal CPU Water Cooling Kit w/ D5 Variant Pump Included and Free Dead-Water!

Select Distilled H20 Additives.: Free Dead-Water Biocidal Drops
$259.99 $259.99
ex-rad-440 XSPC AX240 Dual 120mm Radiator w/ Aluminum Enclosure - Black $79.99 $79.99
fan-913 XSPC 120mm x 25mm Radiator / Chassis Fan - 1650 RPM

im lost in your coolant selection.
You got dead water and primochill bomb?
Personally id ditch the primochill as its really nasty stuff, possibly even ditch the dead water, and get a silver kill coil while going to a supermarket and picking up a bottle of straight distilled.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Im wondering how this even applies to the op?
To fit all that in a case, you would require something larger then my MM.

It does apply to the OP because you are suggesting to put two loops with only 2-3 blocks.

So waste of space,money and efficiency. Two pumps and two reservoir where you can use only single of each.

And also, If you have single loop with 480mm of rads, during game, your graphic cards will beneficiate of the second rad since the CPU is not suppose to be too much utilize during games.

And same thing when you only use the CPU, it will utilizes all the rad space of the loop while the GPUs are at 0% load.

I described my loop to demonstrate that even with 7 blocks you can have single loop.

 

[aigomorla]

It does apply to the OP because you are suggesting to put two loops with only 2-3 blocks.

So waste of space,money and efficiency. Two pumps and two reservoir where you can use only single of each.

And also, If you have single loop with 480mm of rads, during game, your graphic cards will beneficiate of the second rad since the CPU is not suppose to be too much utilize during games.

And same thing when you only use the CPU, it will utilizes all the rad space of the loop while the GPUs are at 0% load.

I described my loop to demonstrate that even with 7 blocks you can have single loop.

again how does it apply?

it sounds to me like you just wanted to brag on the scale of your system.

I only suggested a dual loop system so the op could isolate his loops and reduce noise overall. He could run his CPU side quiet with downvolted fans, and also run his pump at a lower speed to reduce noise on his system, and dynamically control the fans on his GPU when hes in a gaming session.

He doesn't even have 1/3rd of your cooling potential in radiators and your shooting off specs which completely dominates his making his build feel less valued.
Had he asked what others were running to attain a quiet system and you listed your specs, then it would be on track, and i would not have commented, however he has already told us what he is limited to, and the space he is allowed which yours has NOTHING close to.
The MORA alone would be equal to the entire case in which he is fitting his entire system in.
Yes your system is impressive, however it has nothing to do with what the OP wants, or has.

So i ask again.. if you dont have anything productive for the OP on HIS system specs (not yours) please refrain from commenting in general.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Are you really a moderator?

So I want to brag? Seems like you don't get my point. And by the way, my reply was toward you. You're suggesting dual loop and can't accept its a stupid idea for a small system such as he wants. Dual loops for cheapest cost, save space, and quiet, yeah right.

Check my first three replies on this thread. Yeah all my replies apply to the OP.

Thumbsdown to you. Again, I can't see how you are moderating a forum when you can't respect different ideas or the members.

I agree aigomoria. Far too many want to run the least amount of rad space. I run 2 360 rads for my 3930k and 2 670s in sli.

Did this guy wanted to brag?

Aigomorla, thanks for letting me know that next time I see you, interracting with you would be a pain if I have different opinions.

Edit: i just re-rea your last reply, and its very frustrating to see how you are treating me. Are you serious when you say I wanted to to talk about my system to make him feel like his system his less valued?




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[Grooveriding]

I recently moved my rig into a new case and went from a 360 & 240 rads to two 480 & a 240 rad, doubling my rad area. Do people really recommend multiple pumps ?! Just don't get it. I use a single D5 and it's more than enough.

System is dead silent now with undervolted fans and temps are better to boot.

 

[Maverickbcp]

I recently moved my rig into a new case and went from a 360 & 240 rads to two 480 & a 240 rad, doubling my rad area. Do people really recommend multiple pumps ?! Just don't get it. I use a single D5 and it's more than enough.

System is dead silent now with undervolted fans and temps are better to boot.

Eh some people use dual pumps for redundancy. Sure it's a nice idea but usually not needed.

I just built my first WC setup in my Enthoo Primo(complete opposite case the OP would want). I'm running an XT420mm + UT280mm rads to cool my 4770k + 2 R9 290's. At the default 1300rpm of my Swiftech MCP35x the system is dead silent and temps are incredibly low if that gives you anything to go on OP. My cards run much hotter than yours so you should be good with my system or less.

Alphacool just came out with a new slim type radiators that are performing very well since case may be a concern depending on whatever case you go with. Btw my total system costs came to almost $900 before xmas discount code bringing it down to $811 from Performance-pcs.com. The waterblocks for the gpu's bring the price up fast. Then if you want to add backplates that'll be even more. Fittings are the next thing that can make the price jump up quickly depending on what you pick.

Forgot to add I'm using the Phanteks 140mm fans that match the case fans. They come out on top of most fan comparisons and help keep the system quiet. I'm currently only doing a push system as I realized push/pull was more than I needed since my setup was already cooling so well.

 

[guskline]

Grimed, I take it from your posts of a x58 chipset that you have a socket 1366 cpu? I have a 2011 3930k and they do put out heat. Your parts lists leads me to believe that you will have a AX360 rad and a AX240 rad. Smart move. I would be brave and get that cpu under water. I use a Swiftech Apogee HD water block on my 3930k and it is SOLID, easy to attach and works well.

I just changed around video cards and since I have a EVGA GTX780 Classified with a great cooler I kept it in the water loop without watercooling. What I learned from posters like aigomorla and BrightCandle (Thanks for your help gentlemen!) is to take your time and build a solid loop with plenty of rad. I have a XSPC RX360 rad in the top inside of my case and a XSPC EX360 mounted vertically to the rear of my case. Eventhough I took the dual 670s out of the water loop and only have my cpu I kept both rads mounted.

Good luck to you. Excellent case and very good water cooling kit and ad ons. BTW, the D5 pump you bought is incredibly strong. I have a D5 Swiftech 655-b in a XSPC Acrylic reservoir combo. EASY Strong pump. Keep us posted.

 

[KaRLiToS]

I recently moved my rig into a new case and went from a 360 & 240 rads to two 480 & a 240 rad, doubling my rad area. Do people really recommend multiple pumps ?! Just don't get it. I use a single D5 and it's more than enough.

System is dead silent now with undervolted fans and temps are better to boot.

A single pump is more than enough for two rads and 3 blocks. Some people want two pumps for redundancy in case one has a failure and some needs two because of the amounts of components they need to feed.

But two pumps for redundancy is kind of pointless because the BIOS are full of protection when the CPU overheat and it hits TJ max it just shut down the computer doing no harm to any components.

Oups, I hope I didn't sound like I wanted to brag and make the OP feel like his loop is underpowered. Facepalm.



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[dma0991]

But two pumps for redundancy is kind of pointless because the BIOS are full of protection when the CPU overheat and it hits TJ max it just shut down the computer doing no harm to any components.

For OP's build, it isn't necessary but I don't think its pointless in a bigger context. Redundancy isn't just to protect your components, its primarily important in reducing down time. With dual pumps, the system is still usable while you wait for the replacement pump to arrive. With a single pump, you can't use your PC till the replacement pump arrives.

 

[KaRLiToS]

For OP's build, it isn't necessary but I don't think its pointless in a bigger context. Redundancy isn't just to protect your components, its primarily important in reducing down time. With dual pumps, the system is still usable while you wait for the replacement pump to arrive. With a single pump, you can't use your PC till the replacement pump arrives.

Yeah, that is a very good point :thumbsup:

 

[Grooveriding]

Yeah, that is a good point about failure. If a pump fails components are safe because your system will shut down if it gets too hot, but the backup pump would keep you up.

The one point I always make to anyone wanting to start water cooling is reminding them that changing components, which is a couple minutes on an air cooled system, becomes a much larger endeavour if you are water cooling. It's a lot of additional time.

You can also water cool reasonably affordably, but if you start getting into the aesthetics of it and go for compression fittings, lots of rads, full cover gpu blocks etc. It gets really expensive. You can build a top of the line air cooled rig for the price of water cooling a rig with nice stuff.

 

[Subyman]

The good thing about WC gear is that you can keep using it for years. The only thing you'd need to change is the GPU block for GPU upgrades. The CPU blocks typically mount to anything.

 

[BrightCandle]

The good thing about WC gear is that you can keep using it for years. The only thing you'd need to change is the GPU block for GPU upgrades. The CPU blocks typically mount to anything.

My Heatkiller has cooled a i7 920 and my 3930k and it looks like it will fit quite comfortably on future CPUs as well like the 2011-3 for Haswell-E. Its usually a simple adapter kit at most for a new motherboard and so long as the company is making the adapter kit then all is well.

GPU blocks on the other hand tend to be a gigantic waste of money, the full cover ones are the only ones that guarantee everything needing cooling and its usually best to get these rather than trying for the smaller individual blocks and RAM heatsinks. But you end up with a card and a waterblock no one wants when you are done with them, the resale market for GPU waterblocks is basically zero. You also have to account for the cost of the waterblock when you buy a GPU and it increases the cost of the GPU quite substantially.

 

[grimed]

Yea the full coverage GPU block was on the expensive side but I new from reading in the forum that it was best to go with a full gpu block over one that was just a partial one.

 

[grimed]

Just a update I have added a 280 raid and also got two of these Noiseblocker NB-BlackSilentPro PK-3 140mm.
and a fan contrler also.

Still waiting on my 240 rad they wear out of stock it seems when I ordered.
Dosn't matter much I wont have the time to put it together for a couple of weeks.

 

[Maverickbcp]

The one point I always make to anyone wanting to start water cooling is reminding them that changing components, which is a couple minutes on an air cooled system, becomes a much larger endeavour if you are water cooling. It's a lot of additional time.

Dear lord does it ever! I of course wasn't thinking about that little tid bit when I made my new water cooling setup. I would've still gone with the setup even had I been thinking about it, but needless to say it wasn't a pretty thought when I realized what I was going to need to do in order to troubleshooting both of my R9 290's this past week. It made me miss air cooling something fierce.

 

[Agent11]

Could shave some cost by using cheap pumps and t lines, if doing a dual loop.

Nice tubing is cheap, you can get a good Chinese pump for $20-$30, a few dollars for t fittings, and $10-$15 for each fill port.