What would happen financially if the US went to war with China?

[JEDI]

China scrambles jets after U.S., Japanese planes fly through disputed zone:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/29/world/asia/china-japan-us-tensions/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

the US would win militarily. we would probably cripple their military then be forced to leave. (china has too much landmass for us to occupy, thankfully.)

but China is propping up the US financially.

I see US inflation running wild because the US will have to print money to keep up with debt.

 

[highland145]

the US would win militarily. we would probably cripple their military then be forced to leave.

They'd use the programs they embedded in our military ic's and disable all of our planes, ships, vehicles, soldiers....

 

[IronWing]

Financially? The rich would get richer and the poor would die. Same old same old.

 

[EagleKeeper]

There is no way we would try to put boots on the ground.

Military wise, we can choke Chins. They have a limited surface fleet, some was purchased, not built by them. Easy to take out.

They import oil; easy to shut down those supplies. Economic or physically. Look at the cost of tanker rates for Iranian oil. The figure if in the middle of a shooting conflict.

China would be hurt more than the US from an economic point.

1) Look at what tbe supply us.
2) There is some rate earth minerals that are crucial but that is it.
3) Anything else can be obtained from other countries or created in house. The latter is the best option for non junk.
4) China NEEDS US market. They presently are artificially holding up their currency, loss of US markets, if done, will grind their system to a halt.

China overreached and is being shown to be a paper tiger. They do not have the ability to back up the red line all the time.

Should they try to push the issue, retaliation even such that the Chinese mouthpieces can not cover it up

 

[theevilsharpie]

but China is propping up the US financially.

Lulz.

If China wasn't able to buy our treasuries, the value of their currency would increase, and their export market (as well as their overall economy) would collapse. China is as dependent on us as we are on them.

 

[Printer Bandit]

banksters would win. everyone else would loose.

 

[gevorg]

404 - divide by zero error

reason: nuclear annihilation of both parties

 

[Agent11]

404 - divide by zero error

reason: nuclear annihilation of both parties

You don't think our missile defense could handle Chinese nukes?

 

[LegendKiller]

China scrambles jets after U.S., Japanese planes fly through disputed zone:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/29/world/asia/china-japan-us-tensions/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

the US would win militarily. we would probably cripple their military then be forced to leave. (china has too much landmass for us to occupy, thankfully.)

but China is propping up the US financially.

I see US inflation running wild because the US will have to print money to keep up with debt.

China would be destroyed in a matter of months. We don't even have to land troops. The amount of energy they produce domestically vs consume is enormous. They depend on imports so much and they can be strangled so easily that they would be crushed.

The financial "propping" is a function of their trade surplus, no more.

 

[gevorg]

You don't think our missile defense could handle Chinese nukes?

That's nearly impossible. We *might* handle a handful of launches from North Korea or Iran, but a country like China will easily overwhelm any missile defense, not to mention that they have the $$$ to R&D anti-missile defense techniques like changing projectile path in-flight, using dozens of warheads on one missile, EMP protection, etc. Historically, offensive weapons were always ahead of defensive weapons.

 

[MtnMan]

Be like the dog that bites the masters hand, they will just cut off our funding and watch the economic collapse and reduce us to a 3rd world country existence. 99% of Americans cannot deal with hardship, and the food riots will pretty much destroy our government and society from within.

 

[Agent11]

Food is one thing we do not need to worry about, the US produces more than enough. Countries dependent on our exporting food may be in trouble if there are shortages though.

 

[irishScott]

Our economy would take a serious blow.

Their economy would completely collapse and their military would be utterly destroyed. Chinese aren't stupid nor do they masturbate to martyrdom, they'd put up enough resistance to save what face they could then sue for peace.

 

[LegendKiller]

Be like the dog that bites the masters hand, they will just cut off our funding and watch the economic collapse and reduce us to a 3rd world country existence. 99% of Americans cannot deal with hardship, and the food riots will pretty much destroy our government and society from within.

And if they did that they would lose the value of their foreign currency reserves *and* collapse their economy.

Who is going to buy ~30% of the crap they make if the US doesn't?

Furthermore, how are they going to ship *anything* beyond their borders?

Their whole model relies upon flow of raw materials in and crap out. Stop the flow of materials in and they collapse instantly. There would be hundreds of millions rioting within days and the entire party would collapse.

People misunderstand the nature of the debt purchases. They *HAVE* to buy our debt. It is a mathematical impossibility for them to not buy US assets.

 

[irishScott]

Be like the dog that bites the masters hand, they will just cut off our funding and watch the economic collapse and reduce us to a 3rd world country existence. 99% of Americans cannot deal with hardship, and the food riots will pretty much destroy our government and society from within.

Food riots? Exactly what food do you think we import from China? Tea and Kiwi prices spiking != food riots.

The US practically has the capability to feed all of China. There would be zero food riots.

 

[JEDIYoda]

That's nearly impossible. We *might* handle a handful of launches from North Korea or Iran, but a country like China will easily overwhelm any missile defense, not to mention that they have the $$$ to R&D anti-missile defense techniques like changing projectile path in-flight, using dozens of warheads on one missile, EMP protection, etc. Historically, offensive weapons were always ahead of defensive weapons.

What I can tell you is that no nation on the face of the earth actually advertises what there defensive capabilities are.......with that said.....
Israel was forced to develop IRON DOME because we as a nation would not share 100% of our missile interception technology with the Israeli`s....you will not find this written anywhere......and there will be no proof what I am saying.....yet that is the truth!

What are our missile intercept capabilities? ???????????????????? Nobody accurately knows and those who do know might tell you in 50 years...lolol

 

[techofalltrades]

What would happen? The chinese people would revolt, because they would lose their pecans..

http://thediplomat.com/2013/11/was-pecan-pie-missing-from-your-thanksgiving-feast-blame-china/

Chinese demand for the U.S.-grown nuts helped prices soar by 30 percent.

The Chinese middle class is larger than the entire U.S. population – estimated to be in excess of 300 million people. Their attraction to the pecan can be attributed to its perception as a healthy gourmet import. Even the way that Chinese eat their pecans created disruptions in the nut’s domestic market.

Timing doesn’t side with American pecan pie enthusiasts, either. According to Jeff Worn, vice president of the South Georgia Pecan Co., November 20 is the cut-off date for shipping pecans to China in time for the Chinese New Year celebration – the most popular time for the nut’s consumption.

With China’s middle class expected to surpass 600 million by 2022, U.S. pecan producers may be unable to meet demand. Americans may soon have to find another dessert to be thankful for.

 

[Anarchist420]

be all of that as it may, i dont get how it would be bad for the long term if the u.s. govt repudiated its debt owed to foreigners while decentralizing the rest.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

China has no problem being militarily aggressive toward Japan. After all there is still a whole lot of pent up nationalistic anger toward the Japanese stemming all the way back to WW2. Yet China is not going to confront the US in a open war of armies, navies, air forces, etc. No if they are smart they'll more then likely be knee deep in economic, monetary, cyberspace, political, and social forms of warfare long before a shot is even fired or anyone contemplates the idea open warfare at the top.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

And if they did that they would lose the value of their foreign currency reserves *and* collapse their economy.

Who is going to buy ~30% of the crap they make if the US doesn't?

Furthermore, how are they going to ship *anything* beyond their borders?

Their whole model relies upon flow of raw materials in and crap out. Stop the flow of materials in and they collapse instantly. There would be hundreds of millions rioting within days and the entire party would collapse.

People misunderstand the nature of the debt purchases. They *HAVE* to buy our debt. It is a mathematical impossibility for them to not buy US assets.

Of course you are right but they understand this as clearly as you do. Which is why China is moving away from the export model they have succeeded at to instead establish and build its own internalize consumption based consumer economy. They also have a firm understand of their own need to purchase US debt which is also why they are themselves making moves to reverse the trend. Sure it won't happen over night but China didn't become a economic tiger over night either.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

That's nearly impossible. We *might* handle a handful of launches from North Korea or Iran, but a country like China will easily overwhelm any missile defense, not to mention that they have the $$$ to R&D anti-missile defense techniques like changing projectile path in-flight, using dozens of warheads on one missile, EMP protection, etc. Historically, offensive weapons were always ahead of defensive weapons.

I wouldn't say impossible.

Currently Chinese warheads are kept separate from their missiles. Their missiles are also not fueled and read to go. Their missiles also carry only single warheads. They only have a couple hundred nukes.

They would not be able to prepare their missiles for launch in time in case of a first strike and there is a good chance that most of their nukes would be destroyed on the ground in a first strike.

Our BMD would have a shot at stopping whatever they have left.

TLDR: The Chinese do not have an arsenal capable of guaranteed MAD.

 

[LegendKiller]

Of course you are right but they understand this as clearly as you do. Which is why China is moving away from the export model they have succeeded at to instead establish and build its own internalize consumption based consumer economy. They also have a firm understand of their own need to purchase US debt which is also why they are themselves making moves to reverse the trend. Sure it won't happen over night but China didn't become a economic tiger over night either.

There isn't enough energy on the planet to bootstrap them up to a consumer economy.

They keep twisting international trade and internal balances but they are only digging themselves a bigger hole.

 

[gevorg]

What I can tell you is that no nation on the face of the earth actually advertises what there defensive capabilities are.......with that said.....
Israel was forced to develop IRON DOME because we as a nation would not share 100% of our missile interception technology with the Israeli`s....you will not find this written anywhere......and there will be no proof what I am saying.....yet that is the truth!

What are our missile intercept capabilities? ???????????????????? Nobody accurately knows and those who do know might tell you in 50 years...lolol

Very valid points, which go both ways. We don't fully know the nuclear capabilities/technologies/strategies/etc of major powers like China, therefore any missile defense that we or they build would not guarantee anywhere near 100% of protection. Hence why there is MAD.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

There isn't enough energy on the planet to bootstrap them up to a consumer economy.

Yes just as there was not enough energy on the planet to up lift them into the economic status they have achieved today and over the past few decades. The problem here is that you place limits on others based on your perception. The Chinese realize they need energy and nothing is off the table for them be it fossil or alternative fuel sources from solar, wind, hydroelectric, etc. Why? Because the toothpaste is out of the bottle and their people's demand for consumer goods and services is only growing and growing.

They keep twisting international trade and internal balances but they are only digging themselves a bigger hole.

Maybe, maybe not but only time will tell. They have one of the largest potential to tap a mega consumer market in their nation that is developing slowly but it is developing and it will be a force unto itself driving changes through their economy and the global economy as whole. 1.3 billion and growing people tend to have a lot of say economically once they have been uplifted from the stupidity that was the failed leftist centralize planning of the past.

 

[Mai72]

Maybe America would start a draft. It's about time you arm chair generals get off your fat American ass*s and fight!