What would be the last straw for you, as a Trump supporter?

[fskimospy]

How are republicans running full throttle on white identity politics?

Is this a serious question? Have you not noticed them running on white identity politics for your entire life?

Do you think it was a coincidence the welfare queen that Reagan yelled about so much was black? It was not.

Do you think it was a coincidence that Willie Horton was black? It was not.

Do you think it was a coincidence that Trump describes Mexicans as rapists? It was not.

Do you think it was a coincidence that one of the most popular right wing websites had a section called ‘black crime’ but no section called ‘white crime’? It was not.

The Republican Party has an EXTREMELY unpopular economic agenda so it mitigates that by campaigning on whipping up culture war issues like the ones I mentioned above. Black people are cashing their welfare checks and coming to kill you. Immigrants are dirty and dangerous. Muslims are trying to impose sharia law. All of these things are done to appeal to white people.

I mean did you ever take a minute to think about why the Republican Party is almost exclusively white? Did you think it was just a coincidence?

 

[HomerJS]

How are republicans running full throttle on white identity politics?

Trump is and Republicans are running full throttle with Trump.

 

[fskimospy]

Trump is and Republicans are running full throttle with Trump.

I really wonder if Atreus has stopped to consider why the Republican Party is so popular with white nationalists.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I didn't vote for Trump.

But, when he won, I took on the attitude of; "Well, this is what people wanted - let's see what he'll do." And, I was honestly hoping for at worst a decent job.

Pretty quickly I realized this guy is far worse than what we feared during his campaign.

Yet, he still has a slew of supporters. So, what would it take to get you to drop Trump?

Op left out one catagory on his pole......
I have never supported Trump!!

 

[dank69]

Is this a serious question? Have you not noticed them running on white identity politics for your entire life?

Do you think it was a coincidence the welfare queen that Reagan yelled about so much was black? It was not.

Do you think it was a coincidence that Willie Horton was black? It was not.

Do you think it was a coincidence that Trump describes Mexicans as rapists? It was not.

Do you think it was a coincidence that one of the most popular right wing websites had a section called ‘black crime’ but no section called ‘white crime’? It was not.

The Republican Party has an EXTREMELY unpopular economic agenda so it mitigates that by campaigning on whipping up culture war issues like the ones I mentioned above. Black people are cashing their welfare checks and coming to kill you. Immigrants are dirty and dangerous. Muslims are trying to impose sharia law. All of these things are done to appeal to white people.

I mean did you ever take a minute to think about why the Republican Party is almost exclusively white? Did you think it was just a coincidence?

I just assumed it was because minorities are lazy shits that want the free handouts that Democrats promise them.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I just assumed it was because minorities are lazy shits that want the free handouts that Democrats promise them.

Yes!! Sarcasm at its best!!
Yet let me point out....even if people buy into the Republican mantra that hard work and good decision making will keep you off the Welfare rolls, that really is not the truth for a majority of the Black community! Even in these enlightened times! -- The above is not sarcasm!!

 

[fskimospy]

I just assumed it was because minorities are lazy shits that want the free handouts that Democrats promise them.

I would be interested to know why he thinks over 90% of self-identified Republicans are white.

 

[brycejones]

I would be interested to know why he thinks over 90% of self-identified Republicans are white.

Because only white people care about babies of course.

 

[Printed Circuit Bro]

I am about zero percent surprised that the fact the current president is a criminal is being ignored.

Being a criminal requires a conviction.

What crime has he been convicted on?

 

[fskimospy]

Being a criminal requires a conviction.

What crime has he been convicted on?

No, the dictionary definition of ‘criminal’ is ‘someone who committed a crime’. Conviction is unnecessary.

Since the current legal position of the federal government is that the president cannot be indicted, much less convicted while in office that means by your logic and standard if the president raped an infant to death on the front lawn of the White House every weekday morning in front of TV cameras we could not describe him as a criminal because he has not been convicted. Does that sound logical to you?

If you would like to engage on the issues I’m willing to go over both the Cohen plea and sentencing document that names Trump as a co-conspirator in the felonies Cohen is currently serving time for and the felonies detailed in the Mueller report. If you would like to argue as to why each of them doesn’t rise to the standard of criminal conduct I’m open to hearing your position.

I sincerely doubt you will do this. Alternatively you could just agree that he’s a criminal.

 

[Atreus21]

Is this a serious question? Have you not noticed them running on white identity politics for your entire life?

Yes it is, and no I haven't. I think democrats are childishly nostalgic for the civil rights era, to the extent they sound like conspiracy theorists at times. You guys' emblem should not be a donkey, but Don Quixote astride a donkey. Despite being in one of the least racist and most generally tolerant countries in the world, you see racism, bigotry, and segregation-era hatred in every dark corner, completely and deliberately heedless of the progress made on those fronts.

There is evidence enough of this in embarrassing episodes like Jussie Smollett and the Covington HS drama, where democrat-oriented media fell for and propogated the narrative which best supported their delusional belief that white people are just chomping at the bit to put minorities in chains.

The democrats' whole strategy since I can remember seems to be to martial cultural and racial differences to their own political ends. Keep blacks in mortal terror of whites. Ensure as long as possible that foreign cultures, such as those from Mexico, do not assimilate to the larger American culture after immigration. This is best done by instilling fear in them of a phantom 5th column of white supremacists.

It's just pathetic, and lazy. There's nothing easier in politics than the conviction that your opponents are moral monsters.

You said a week or so ago that our present political situation is like two teams at a football game. But I think I disagree now. It's more like a movie. Barack Obama/Donald Trump the Movie. Watch as he heroically fights the villainous Republicans/Democrats.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes it is, and no I haven't. I think democrats are childishly nostalgic for the civil rights era, to the extent they sound like conspiracy theorists at times. You guys' emblem should not be a donkey, but Don Quixote astride a donkey. Despite being in one of the least racist and most generally tolerant countries in the world, you see racism, bigotry, and segregation-era hatred in every dark corner, completely and deliberately heedless of the progress made on those fronts.

There is evidence enough of this in embarrassing episodes like Jussie Smollett and the Covington HS drama, where democrat-oriented media fell for and propogated the narrative which best supported their delusional belief that white people are just chomping at the bit to put minorities in chains.

The democrats' whole strategy since I can remember seems to be to martial cultural and racial differences to their own political ends. Keep blacks in mortal terror of whites. Ensure as long as possible that foreign cultures, such as those from Mexico, do not assimilate to the larger American culture after immigration. This is best done by instilling fear in them of a phantom 5th column of white supremacists.

It's just pathetic, and lazy. There's nothing easier in politics than the conviction that your opponents are moral monsters.

You said a week or so ago that our present political situation is like two teams at a football game. But I think I disagree now. It's more like a movie. Barack Obama/Donald Trump the Movie. Watch as he heroically fights the villainous Republicans/Democrats.

White identity politics is not white supremacy any more than black identity politics is black supremacy. Shame on you for trying that bullshit. As for the rest of it, all I can say is you're basically regurgitating the white identity politics that the Republican Party feeds you on a constant basis. and your projecting the Republicans' relentless identity politics on their opponents, just as they want you to.

You think black people are afraid of white people because of the Democrats tricking them or something? Are you insane? You think Mexicans don't assimilate with US culture because the Democrats are scaring them? (this is funny because it's not even true, Mexicans assimilate at similar rates to other immigrant groups. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...similating-just-as-quickly-as-earlier-groups/)

You should do yourself two things to try and pry open your mind a little. Why is it that the Republican Party is more than 90% white? I would be very interested to know your answer. Second, take some time and think about the most recent campaign that was run in 2018. What were the Democrats running on? Health care. What were the Republicans running on? The Evil Migrant Caravan. Still want to say they aren't doing white identity politics after that?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yes it is, and no I haven't. I think democrats are childishly nostalgic for the civil rights era, to the extent they sound like conspiracy theorists at times. You guys' emblem should not be a donkey, but Don Quixote astride a donkey. Despite being in one of the least racist and most generally tolerant countries in the world, you see racism, bigotry, and segregation-era hatred in every dark corner, completely and deliberately heedless of the progress made on those fronts.

There is evidence enough of this in embarrassing episodes like Jussie Smollett and the Covington HS drama, where democrat-oriented media fell for and propogated the narrative which best supported their delusional belief that white people are just chomping at the bit to put minorities in chains.

The democrats' whole strategy since I can remember seems to be to martial cultural and racial differences to their own political ends. Keep blacks in mortal terror of whites. Ensure as long as possible that foreign cultures, such as those from Mexico, do not assimilate to the larger American culture after immigration. This is best done by instilling fear in them of a phantom 5th column of white supremacists.

It's just pathetic, and lazy. There's nothing easier in politics than the conviction that your opponents are moral monsters.

You said a week or so ago that our present political situation is like two teams at a football game. But I think I disagree now. It's more like a movie. Barack Obama/Donald Trump the Movie. Watch as he heroically fights the villainous Republicans/Democrats.

Here is a soundtrack for your world you live in.....

 

[Printed Circuit Bro]

No, the dictionary definition of ‘criminal’ is ‘someone who committed a crime’. Conviction is unnecessary.

Since the current legal position of the federal government is that the president cannot be indicted, much less convicted while in office that means by your logic and standard if the president raped an infant to death on the front lawn of the White House every weekday morning in front of TV cameras we could not describe him as a criminal because he has not been convicted. Does that sound logical to you?

If you would like to engage on the issues I’m willing to go over both the Cohen plea and sentencing document that names Trump as a co-conspirator in the felonies Cohen is currently serving time for and the felonies detailed in the Mueller report. If you would like to argue as to why each of them doesn’t rise to the standard of criminal conduct I’m open to hearing your position.

I sincerely doubt you will do this. Alternatively you could just agree that he’s a criminal.

The foundation of our legal system is the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

Your assertion about rape is preposterous and really shows how absurd your thought process is.

A 1970's memo regarding the intended treatment of Nixon is not law. That memo has never been challenged in court and has never been ratified into law. It's a cop-out to use when a prosecutor doesn't have the god damned balls to stand up for the letter or spirit of the law and anyone who dares cower behind that memo doesn't deserve to hold an office in the Department of Justice. In my opinion, of course. 😉

It might be your opinion that he's a criminal but just because you have an opinion does not make that opinion a fact.

 

[fskimospy]

The foundation of our legal system is the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

It might be your opinion that he's a criminal but just because you have an opinion does not make that opinion a fact.

No, that is the standard for imprisoning him, not the standard for what a private citizen concludes someone to be or what he takes into consideration when voting for someone for president.

Like I said I’m very open to discussing both the sworn legal documents filed that name Trump as a co-conspirator in a felony his personal lawyer is serving time for right now and I’m also very open to discussing the multiple felonies that the Mueller report clearly establishes all the elements for.

As presumably you don’t want to vote for someone who has committed a felony to help win the office he now occupies and has then committed multiple felonies WITH the powers of that office I would think you would be interested in that discussion. Was I wrong?

 

[JEDIYoda]

No, that is the standard for imprisoning him, not the standard for what a private citizen concludes someone to be or what he takes into consideration when voting for someone for president.

Like I said I’m very open to discussing both the sworn legal documents filed that name Trump as a co-conspirator in a felony his personal lawyer is serving time for right now and I’m also very open to discussing the multiple felonies that the Mueller report clearly establishes all the elements for.

As presumably you don’t want to vote for someone who has committed a felony to help win the office he now occupies and has then committed multiple felonies WITH the powers of that office I would think you would be interested in that discussion. Was I wrong?

he is just going to dance around in a circle with you......

 

[shortylickens]

If I were a donald lover I'd be brainwashed, which means nothing he does could ever upset me.

 

[fskimospy]

he is just going to dance around in a circle with you......

I know, haha. We all know his goal was just to cast doubt on Trump’s criminal conduct - he has no interest in the facts of the matter.

The thing is I would genuinely discuss those with him if he were willing and open, after all it’s kind of a slam dunk for my position. By being open to doing that it helps expose the fundamental dishonesty of his position.

 

[nakedfrog]

There is evidence enough of this in embarrassing episodes like Jussie Smollett and the Covington HS drama, where democrat-oriented media fell for and propogated the narrative which best supported their delusional belief that white people are just chomping at the bit to put minorities in chains.

Have you seen our "existing while black" thread?

 

[zzyzxroad]

If he pulls funding for the WHO during a global pandemic, I'm jumping off the trump train.

 

[blankslate]

Their last straw certainly isn't their candidate being an alleged sexual predator.... hey in that they have something in common with....

Spoiler

sssshhhhh.... c'mon now you should know....

________________

 

[Commodus]

Yes it is, and no I haven't. I think democrats are childishly nostalgic for the civil rights era, to the extent they sound like conspiracy theorists at times. You guys' emblem should not be a donkey, but Don Quixote astride a donkey. Despite being in one of the least racist and most generally tolerant countries in the world, you see racism, bigotry, and segregation-era hatred in every dark corner, completely and deliberately heedless of the progress made on those fronts.

There is evidence enough of this in embarrassing episodes like Jussie Smollett and the Covington HS drama, where democrat-oriented media fell for and propogated the narrative which best supported their delusional belief that white people are just chomping at the bit to put minorities in chains.

The democrats' whole strategy since I can remember seems to be to martial cultural and racial differences to their own political ends. Keep blacks in mortal terror of whites. Ensure as long as possible that foreign cultures, such as those from Mexico, do not assimilate to the larger American culture after immigration. This is best done by instilling fear in them of a phantom 5th column of white supremacists.

It's just pathetic, and lazy. There's nothing easier in politics than the conviction that your opponents are moral monsters.

You said a week or so ago that our present political situation is like two teams at a football game. But I think I disagree now. It's more like a movie. Barack Obama/Donald Trump the Movie. Watch as he heroically fights the villainous Republicans/Democrats.

We're 'nostalgic' for the civil rights crusade because, if you hadn't noticed, racism and other forms of discrimination aren't over. There was a surge in racist attacks when Trump was elected. Trump and the Republicans spent much of the past few years removing anti-discrimination measures (primarily for LGBT people) while actively enabling discrimination elsewhere. And yes, there are still systemic issues that unfairly target non-white Americans -- just look at the disproportionate damage from COVID-19 to black communities that lack local healthcare and food resources.

Fighting discrimination is not a one-and-done "right, we've fixed that forever" action. It requires constant effort, a recognition that bigotry manifests in many ways and might even resurface. Yeah, there are jump-the-gun instances like Smollett, but I would much rather risk that than take the Republican approach, which is to flat-out ignore and sometimes enable hatred. That hypocrisy where GOP politicians will praise MLK on his holiday and promptly figure out how they can disenfranchise black voters.

You know what baffles me most? You claim to be Christian, but I don't see much care for the less fortunate here (or in many of your posts, really). You're treating compassion (however excessive) like a sin, and arguing that people facing discrimination are ingrates who don't appreciate how far they've come. I'm non-religious... but I'm pretty sure that if you saw that beaten-up traveler in the Good Samaritan parable, you'd walk on by and tell him to be thankful he was still alive.

 

[Atreus21]

White identity politics is not white supremacy any more than black identity politics is black supremacy. Shame on you for trying that bullshit. As for the rest of it, all I can say is you're basically regurgitating the white identity politics that the Republican Party feeds you on a constant basis. and your projecting the Republicans' relentless identity politics on their opponents, just as they want you to.

Spare me. They both hold the same intended rhetorical effect - to attribute racist motives.

You think black people are afraid of white people because of the Democrats tricking them or something? Are you insane? You think Mexicans don't assimilate with US culture because the Democrats are scaring them? (this is funny because it's not even true, Mexicans assimilate at similar rates to other immigrant groups. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...similating-just-as-quickly-as-earlier-groups/)

If you don't think the democrats don't campaign to minorities on fear, then please explain this.

But anyway, it's almost as if that's not what I said. What I said was that the democrats have a vested interest in keeping them from assimilation as long as they can because, as they assimilate, they become less-reliable democrat voters.

You should do yourself two things to try and pry open your mind a little. Why is it that the Republican Party is more than 90% white?

Because white people are more likely to vote Republican, presumably. You're suggesting that the most probable explanation is racism?

I would be very interested to know your answer. Second, take some time and think about the most recent campaign that was run in 2018. What were the Democrats running on? Health care. What were the Republicans running on? The Evil Migrant Caravan. Still want to say they aren't doing white identity politics after that?

....Yeah I do. Addressing deliberate attempts to challenge immigration laws is not tantamount to white identity politics, whatever that means.

 

[fskimospy]

Spare me. They both hold the same intended rhetorical effect - to attribute racist motives.

You’re projecting again. Are you actually trying to say that every time Republicans day ‘identity politics’ they are saying racism? If so, that’s horrific. They’re even worse than I thought.

If you don't think the democrats don't campaign to minorities on fear, then please explain this.

Now you’re just desperate. An ad from a random political group? If we are going to play that game I will bury you with ads like that from the right on a five to one basis. This is because while the Democrats definitely play identity politics sometimes they don’t campaign almost exclusively on it like Republicans do

But anyway, it's almost as if that's not what I said. What I said was that the democrats have a vested interest in keeping them from assimilation as long as they can because, as they assimilate, they become less-reliable democrat voters.

So in other words the democrats are trying to make Mexicans not assimilate but they still magically happen to assimilate at the same rate as all other groups? Lol.

Because white people are more likely to vote Republican, presumably. You're suggesting that the most probable explanation is racism?

I didn’t say anything about racism, I said that the Republican Party’s campaign strategy is white identity politics, explicitly attempting to appeal to white people.

So again, why do you think the Republican Party is more than 90% white? Are you saying that the republicans just happened to overwhelmingly appeal to only whites people by accident?

Like...really? It was all a mistake?

Also, if Republicans aren’t playing identity politics do you have any thoughts about why their campaign in 2018 was based on the threat of a Hispanic migrant caravan?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Their last straw certainly isn't their candidate being an alleged sexual predator.... hey in that they have something in common with....

Spoiler

sssshhhhh.... c'mon now you should know....

________________

spoiler was referring to our shit stain of a President Dumpity Trumpity!!