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Newell Steamer

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ISIS uses amphetamines and adrenaline.

Flood the region with radiated amphetamines, sit back and watch them die of cancer.
 

feralkid

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Patiently. Over decades. With containment, and, when possible, constructive engagement. Even as hotheads wanted us to risk nuclear annihilation over Korea, over China, over Vietnam, and over Cuba, we had faith that ours was the superior ideology. We were correct.

Oh, you mean Herr Hitler. Long after Hitler had overrun Western Europe and was knocking on England's door, and even after his ally Japan attacked us, we did not declare war on Germany.

Read your history. Germany declared war on us, not vice versa.

There is always a bogeyman out there, be it the Nazis or the commies or ZOMGSaddamHussien or now, the Mooselums. And there are always those short-sighted cowards amongst us who are quick, in their quivering fear, to abandon our bedrock ideals while they urge Armaggedon, be it the scumbag scourge of McCarthyism then or those pandering politicians now saying we shouldn't take in any of the refugees fleeing ISIS terror because one or two might be moles.

Fear-based abandonment of our highest, most inclusive ideals -- give us your poor, your tired, yearning to be free -- is the reactionaries go to response, and always has been.

But it is our most tolerant, most inclusive ideals which are, and always have been, our highest, best strength, and our saving grace. It is those ideals, not always lived up to but still held as our goal, which have enabled us to prevail over the more hateful ideologies.

ISIS promotes fear, hate, death and exclusion. Our own right wing panderers promote their own brand of this in reaction. It is up to the rest of us not to let either prevail.

Many thanks for that.
 

michal1980

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Christian americans became violent murdering psycopaths towards native americans.

If you believe that, that you must believe that radical Muslims now are terrorists.

Amazing how much hate the left has for white chrisitans who arent blowing people up in the name of religion, while showing so much support for brown muslims that are. How fucked up is that?
 

michal1980

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Patiently. Over decades. With containment, and, when possible, constructive engagement. Even as hotheads wanted us to risk nuclear annihilation over Korea, over China, over Vietnam, and over Cuba, we had faith that ours was the superior ideology. We were correct.

Oh, you mean Herr Hitler. Long after Hitler had overrun Western Europe and was knocking on England's door, and even after his ally Japan attacked us, we did not declare war on Germany.

Read your history. Germany declared war on us, not vice versa.

There is always a bogeyman out there, be it the Nazis or the commies or ZOMGSaddamHussien or now, the Mooselums. And there are always those short-sighted cowards amongst us who are quick, in their quivering fear, to abandon our bedrock ideals while they urge Armaggedon, be it the scumbag scourge of McCarthyism then or those pandering politicians now saying we shouldn't take in any of the refugees fleeing ISIS terror because one or two might be moles.

Fear-based abandonment of our highest, most inclusive ideals -- give us your poor, your tired, yearning to be free -- is the reactionaries go to response, and always has been.

But it is our most tolerant, most inclusive ideals which are, and always have been, our highest, best strength, and our saving grace. It is those ideals, not always lived up to but still held as our goal, which have enabled us to prevail over the more hateful ideologies.

ISIS promotes fear, hate, death and exclusion. Our own right wing panderers promote their own brand of this in reaction. It is up to the rest of us not to let either prevail.
We defeated germany by blowing them up.

If we took your path of ignoring them, a countless hundreds of thousands more people would have died.

France had its doors wide open, and what thanks did they get?
 
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yllus

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It isn't because some of the refugees might be "moles". It's because once you reach a critical concentration of Islam, inevitably they begin to radicalize. Maybe they are rejecting radical Islam, but their children will be rejecting the decadent Western world.

Utter nonsense. What makes you think you have any idea of what you're talking about?
 

werepossum

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Utter nonsense. What makes you think you have any idea of what you're talking about?
Look at every nation in Europe with such a percentage. Then repeat the proggie mantra:

This time it will be different.
 

yllus

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Look at every nation in Europe with such a percentage. Then repeat the proggie mantra:

This time it will be different.

Thankfully your mantra of "keep out all of the dark-skinned people" might win the day.
 

KK

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We defeated germany by blowing them up.

If we took your path of ignoring them, a countless hundreds of thousands more people would have died.

France had its doors wide open, and what thanks did they get?


Some of the tactics we used in WWII would get them banned here on AT. This just goes to show you that the world today does not have the stomach to do what is necessary to win a war.
 

SP33Demon

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Sounds like you are too.

Please, do enlighten us on the actual number where x group of x culture/religion reaches that wonderful number where they suddenly turn violent murdering racist psycopaths.

Please cite your sources and show your work, including controls for relevant variables such as cultural assimilation, socio-economic status and mobility, and do be sure control against religion in general, and specifically for each group to explain each critical mass number that turns each particular group into murdering assholes.

Or just that one group. Whatever.

http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2013/study-asks-is-a-better-world-possible/

The studies are already done, we just need to pay attention, especially when lauded AAU institutions conduct studies based on computers running a millions of simulations. Diversity is a failed experiment according to science.

The reason has to do with how people form relationships. Neal said people usually develop relationships with others who are close rather than far away, and similar rather than different from themselves (be it through race, religion, social class, etc.).

Neal ran computer modeling of different fictional neighborhoods and, after millions of trials, consistently found the same thing: The more integrated a neighborhood is, the less socially cohesive it becomes, and vice versa.

“These trends are so strong, it’s unlikely policy can change it,” Neal said.

He said policymakers should instead try to find the right balance between integration and cohesion, which may differ from community to community.

Neal said she started the project because past research had failed to turn up a city that is both truly integrated and cohesive – from the United States to the United Kingdom to Asia. But it’s not from lack of effort, he said.

“It’s not that local leaders and policymakers aren’t trying hard enough,” Neal said. “Rather, we now think it’s because the goals of integration and cohesion are just not compatible with each other.”

At least this academically esteemed institution isn't scared to hide from the heart of the matter - that integration won't work regardless what lib-warriors want to try to force on us through policy (like trying to forcefully integrate 10000 Syrians). Lib-open-door-policy is alley-ooping a terrorism pass into the air while those young men who want to be just like their hero Muhammad (go study what he was about btw) is slam dunking it. The writing has been on the wall for awhile.

Another very recent study to read up on:
http://jos.sagepub.com/content/early/2015/08/21/1440783315599595.abstract
Using Australian Community Capacity Study survey data from 4091 respondents in 147 Brisbane suburbs, combined with census and police incident data, multivariate regression techniques are utilised to determine the extent to which ethnic diversity influences collective efficacy once we control for other known correlates; and which aspect of diversity ‘matters most’ to levels of collective efficacy.
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Results indicate that the presence of language diversity and indigeneity in the community are most detrimental to collective efficacy.
 
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sportage

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PBS had a special on the rise of ISIS.
A bunch of guys in black robes running around in the mountains and desert?
I can't believe they are causing so much world wide mayhem.
And they all have laptops? Really? Laptops?
We can't get decent reliable WiFi in a major American city, and these guys have WiFi in the middle of nowhere?
Maybe we should go after their laptops, camcorders, and take out their WiFi towers?
Of was that some deal made to them by the Bush administration, Dick Cheney, and Halliburton?

What is wrong with this picture?
 

werepossum

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Thankfully your mantra of "keep out all of the dark-skinned people" might win the day.
With Muslims, the dark skinned people usually aren't the problem. Look at Africa: the Muslims are usually the good guys and the Christians are usually the bad guys. Arabs are pretty light skinned; just look around. Oddly, France is an outlier here, but this discussion is specifically about ISIS. Might want to look that up. But thanks for playing that tattered race card one more time. That never gets old.

If Hillary does only one thing, it will be to give you guys a second card in your hand. With the race card and the sex card, you can't lose!
 

werepossum

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Patiently. Over decades. With containment, and, when possible, constructive engagement. Even as hotheads wanted us to risk nuclear annihilation over Korea, over China, over Vietnam, and over Cuba, we had faith that ours was the superior ideology. We were correct.

Oh, you mean Herr Hitler. Long after Hitler had overrun Western Europe and was knocking on England's door, and even after his ally Japan attacked us, we did not declare war on Germany.

Read your history. Germany declared war on us, not vice versa.

There is always a bogeyman out there, be it the Nazis or the commies or ZOMGSaddamHussien or now, the Mooselums. And there are always those short-sighted cowards amongst us who are quick, in their quivering fear, to abandon our bedrock ideals while they urge Armaggedon, be it the scumbag scourge of McCarthyism then or those pandering politicians now saying we shouldn't take in any of the refugees fleeing ISIS terror because one or two might be moles.

Fear-based abandonment of our highest, most inclusive ideals -- give us your poor, your tired, yearning to be free -- is the reactionaries go to response, and always has been.

But it is our most tolerant, most inclusive ideals which are, and always have been, our highest, best strength, and our saving grace. It is those ideals, not always lived up to but still held as our goal, which have enabled us to prevail over the more hateful ideologies.

ISIS promotes fear, hate, death and exclusion. Our own right wing panderers promote their own brand of this in reaction. It is up to the rest of us not to let either prevail.
You might want to do some reading. We did not embrace Germany, nor attempt to educate them. We did not suddenly streamline our immigration policy for Germans. Instead we locked up those Germans who seemed likely to cause trouble, went to Europe, killed their young men, bombed their cities, and broke their things. After they could no longer stop us, we went into their nation and configured it after our own model. Same with the Japanese. Same with the Cold War too, although the Russians were too strong to directly attack. We did not educate them nor embrace them, we made ourselves too strong for them to attack while we fought their ideology in a dozen proxy wars and out-competed them economically. We could not reconfigure Russia without destroying civilization, unfortunately, which is why Russia is still backward.
 
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Indus

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We can't get decent reliable WiFi in a major American city, and these guys have WiFi in the middle of nowhere

As someone who's traveled overseas, I have experienced cell tower coverage being much better in Asia than in North America although my travels are limited to South/ South East and North East Asia and parts of Europe.

In NYC I can get 3 bars on my iphone if I'm lucky on AT&T. Overseas it never drops below 4 and is usually at 5.

People overseas tend to use celluar more than wifi though as it's quite hard to get decent internet. It's severely throttled. Most of the videos you see uploaded are probably done at an internet cafe.. 50 cents or equivalent for an hour.

You did hit on a good point there that without the internet access, it would be significantly harder for them to communicate.
 
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zinfamous

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http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2013/study-asks-is-a-better-world-possible/

The studies are already done, we just need to pay attention, especially when lauded AAU institutions conduct studies based on computers running a millions of simulations. Diversity is a failed experiment according to science.



At least this academically esteemed institution isn't scared to hide from the heart of the matter - that integration won't work regardless what lib-warriors want to try to force on us through policy (like trying to forcefully integrate 10000 Syrians). Lib-open-door-policy is alley-ooping a terrorism pass into the air while those young men who want to be just like their hero Muhammad (go study what he was about btw) is slam dunking it. The writing has been on the wall for awhile.

Another very recent study to read up on:
http://jos.sagepub.com/content/early/2015/08/21/1440783315599595.abstract

Ah, survey-based data and behavior modeling. Basically, what we call "trash science" in the world of...science.

I think there is some validity to integration/segregation when it comes to diverse communities and how they start to develop and organize. For this situation, that does become problematic. The issue here is using these type of theories with some poorly quantified metrics to assume that x% of these refugees are wahhabist psychopaths, by default, and either have 100$ or 0% interest in integrating.

There are plenty of examples of long-lived muslim communities in the west that haven't developed murderers or tried to establish sharia in their little neighborhoods.

To be clear--I'd honestly prefer some system where you thoroughly vet each individual and establish an enforceable system of adaptation/integration into that country's culture and society. These are the expectations of living in our country, in this city, this is how you apply to a job, these are fine areas to live, these are the taxes that you need to pay, here is a social services agent to help you adjust, this is where your kids can go to school. etc. I'm just as wary of immigrants establishing little pockets of religious communities--any religion--as much as you conservative mouthbreathers are. I think there is a certain amount of restriction and acceptance you can place on immigrants to both help them adjust and encourage them to participate in this new society--perhaps a time limit to hit certain metrics or periods within 1 or 2 years and your residency is re-examined.

Like the US, I definitely wouldn't let in any young, individual males of "fighting age." Families and children only.
 

boomerang

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You might want to do some reading. We did not embrace Germany, nor attempt to educate them. We did not suddenly streamline our immigration policy for Germans. Instead we locked up those Germans who seemed likely to cause trouble, went to Europe, killed their young men, bombed their cities, and broke their things. After they could no longer stop us, we went into their nation and configured it after our own model. Same with the Japanese. Same with the Cold War too, although the Russians were too strong to directly attack. We did not educate them nor embrace them, we made ourselves too strong for them to attack while we fought their ideology in a dozen proxy wars and out-competed them economically. We could not reconfigure Russia without destroying civilization, unfortunately, which is why Russia is still backward.
Good post. Unfortunately, it will read like a foreign language to the crowd that still thinks a sincere handshake and an apology is all it's going to take to tame radical Islam.

That crowd ignores the acts of terrorism that are occurring with regularity worldwide. They are convinced that the actions of the U.S. are their motive while ignoring that radical Islam is committing acts of terror towards people all over the world. People in a slew of nations, people of all colors, all races and against those that share the same faith but that belong to a different tribe.

The internal war between the handshake crowd and the reality crowd here in the U.S. needs to be won before there is any hope of an effective effort against radical Islam. We most certainly will not see anything done with Obama in office. He's just letting the clock run out while desperately trying to establish some sort of legacy that can't be unraveled by pulling a single thread. Seven years in and the guy that looks back at him in the mirror is still top priority number one.
 

Ackmed

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As someone who's traveled overseas, I have experienced cell tower coverage being much better in Asia than in North America although my travels are limited to South/ South East and North East Asia and parts of Europe.

In NYC I can get 3 bars on my iphone if I'm lucky on AT&T. Overseas it never drops below 4 and is usually at 5.

People overseas tend to use celluar more than wifi though as it's quite hard to get decent internet. It's severely throttled. Most of the videos you see uploaded are probably done at an internet cafe.. 50 cents or equivalent for an hour.

You did hit on a good point there that without the internet access, it would be significantly harder for them to communicate.

In my travels to many countries, specifically Africa I had amazing cell service. Swapping out a sim card when changing countries was easy enough too. Service was very cheap, so much cheaper than here. There are cell towers everywhere though, and they are unregulated. As it was explained to me that is why it's so fast and available. I'm sure not all countries are the same, but the half dozen or so I visited in Africa were this way. So without regulations they can just put them anywhere. We have too many regulations and rules to do that here in the US.

Internet on the other hand, was shitty. I had to use a boost antennae on my laptop to get anything worthwhile unless in a very nice hotel/resort.

But yes, taking out their communications seems to be a great answer. Supposedly Anonymous did that with Twitter accounts recently. Not being able to spread their word, will hurt them somewhat.
 

SP33Demon

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Ah, survey-based data and behavior modeling. Basically, what we call "trash science" in the world of...science.

I think there is some validity to integration/segregation when it comes to diverse communities and how they start to develop and organize. For this situation, that does become problematic. The issue here is using these type of theories with some poorly quantified metrics to assume that x% of these refugees are wahhabist psychopaths, by default, and either have 100$ or 0% interest in integrating.

There are plenty of examples of long-lived muslim communities in the west that haven't developed murderers or tried to establish sharia in their little neighborhoods.

To be clear--I'd honestly prefer some system where you thoroughly vet each individual and establish an enforceable system of adaptation/integration into that country's culture and society. These are the expectations of living in our country, in this city, this is how you apply to a job, these are fine areas to live, these are the taxes that you need to pay, here is a social services agent to help you adjust, this is where your kids can go to school. etc. I'm just as wary of immigrants establishing little pockets of religious communities--any religion--as much as you conservative mouthbreathers are. I think there is a certain amount of restriction and acceptance you can place on immigrants to both help them adjust and encourage them to participate in this new society--perhaps a time limit to hit certain metrics or periods within 1 or 2 years and your residency is re-examined.

Like the US, I definitely wouldn't let in any young, individual males of "fighting age." Families and children only.
1) The first study used behavioral computer modeling from an AAU institution. Which variables do you specifically refute from it?
2) The 2nd study used surveys in conjunction with police and census data. You can slam surveys all you want, but when anonymous they will get true feelings out regarding social cohesion. Similar to us being anonymous behind a screen and typing our opinions here.
3) So you agree that restrictions on immigration need to be in place. At least we can agree on that. However, you haven't addressed the fact that numerous studies (not only these) done in the past 5 shows are showing results which state that social cohesion is not possible with diversity. They are an inverse ratio. As one goes up, the other goes down. And this applies to both parties, for example black kids who face racial issues at school have less social cohesion with teachers and as a result less aptitude to learn. How many more studies need to come out before we just admit that we will always self segregate because we prefer social cohesion over diversity?

More evidence:
Furthermore, the analysis establishes the significant contribution of genetic diversity to the intensity of social unrest and to the incidence of intragroup factional conflict.
Study on Africa done by the National Bureau of Economic Research
https://www.nber.org/papers/w21079

The integration-segregation index is determined by how far above or below a city is from the regression line. Cities below the line are especially segregated. Chicago, which has a -19 score, is the most segregated city in the country. It’s followed by Atlanta, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, St. Louis, Washington and Baltimore.

Cities above the red line have positive scores, which mean they’re comparatively well-integrated. Sacramento’s score is a +10, for instance.

But here’s the awful thing about that red line. It grades cities on a curve. It does so because there aren’t a lot of American cities that meet the ideal of being both diverse and integrated. There are more Baltimores than Sacramentos.

Furthermore, most of the exceptions are cities like Sacramento that have large Hispanic or Asian populations. Cities with substantial black populations tend to be highly segregated. Of the top 100 U.S. cities by population, 35 are at least one-quarter black, and only 6 of those cities have positive integration scores.9
-Esteemed statistician Nate Silver who says that your city (Washington DC) is the 6th least integrated in the country.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-most-diverse-cities-are-often-the-most-segregated/

"Conventional wisdom says interpersonal contact between people will foster collaboration and consensus," says Srivastava. "We found that increasing physical contact between people who have opposing and public political identities can instead promote divergence of attitudes or behavior. This tendency is further amplified in environments involving high conflict, which makes political identities more salient."
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The authors say the U.S. Senate is an "apt setting for the study of interaction, identity, and influence" because senators have highly visible political identities and are continually seeking to influence each other through interaction. Srivastava and Liu contend that their findings also have implications in corporate organizations with oppositional political identities that are seeking to bridge differences between polarized groups.
-Another study led by UC Berkeley and U of Toronto professors that shows that people with different sets of identity/belief systems will promote more divergence, the more they interact.
http://phys.org/news/2015-02-enemies-greater-proximity-opponents-polarization.html

Their racial diversity may partly explain Millennials’ low levels of social trust. A 2007 Pew Research Center analysis found that minorities and low-income adults had lower levels of social trust than other groups.5 Based on similar findings over many years from other surveys, sociologists have theorized that people who feel vulnerable or disadvantaged for whatever reason find it riskier to trust because they’re less well-fortified to deal with the consequences of misplaced trust.6
-Pew Research Center
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/03/07/millennials-in-adulthood/

The results show that ethnic diversity in the micro-context affects trust negatively, while the effect vanishes in larger contextual units. This supports the conjecture that
interethnic exposure underlies the negative relationship between ethnic diversity in residential contexts and social trust.
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Evidence from trust games in experimental economics shows lower levels of initial trust when the trustee has a different ethnic background than that of the truster (Fershtman and Gneezy 2001). Similarly, studies using cardiovascular or skin conductance responses show higher levels of perceived threat and fear in encounters with opponents of a different ethnic background than the subject (Mendes et al. 2002; Olsson et al. 2005). Socially learned prejudice probably explains part of this tendency (Stanley et. al. 2011), but recent studies also point to its evolutionary roots. These studies show that humans are better at inferring other humans’ thoughts, intentions and feelings if the object belongs to their own ethnic group as opposed to other ethnic groups (Adams et al. 2010). The ability to infer the other’s intentions is a crucial component in building trust in specific others, and it is also likely to increase empathy (Chaio and Mathur 2010), which feeds back and increases trust in specific others further (Barraza and Zak 2009). Importantly, positive experiences with and trust in specific others affect evaluations of the generalized other positively and thus spill over to social trust (Freitag and Traunmüller 2009 ; Glanville and Paxton 2007).
-Danish study by U of Copenhagen
http://politicalscience.ku.dk/staff...iversity_and_Social_Trust_Forthcoming_ASR.pdf

Enough (left-leaning) sources for you?

Now how does this translate to the Syrian refugees coming over? Well, it's a fact that spatially placing two completely different genetic and nationally cultural types near one another are going to cause fear and mistrust on both sides. Fear and mistrust on their side could mean taking their violent prophet Muhammad a little more seriously...
 
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TeeJay1952

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If you keep a population poor without a political voice, someone will invent a religion so they can have power. Best response to a Death Cult is to give them what they desire, Now the problem is they will no longer wish to identify themselves as we progress. Rinse , repeat. Now you know our history of the world.
 

flexy

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Problem is that what many cults/religious groups desire is often irrational.
 

Blue_Max

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If you keep a population poor without a political voice, someone will invent a religion so they can have power. Best response to a Death Cult is to give them what they desire, Now the problem is they will no longer wish to identify themselves as we progress. Rinse , repeat. Now you know our history of the world.

[Looks at Saudi Arabia] Well...they have a ~100% muslim population, thus all the power. Things good there?

...nnnnnnnnnnnope.

Give them what they desire, eh? *snerk*
 
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We defeated germany by blowing them up.

If we took your path of ignoring them, a countless hundreds of thousands more people would have died.

France had its doors wide open, and what thanks did they get?

actually, Germany defeated Germany by fighting the Russians in Russia during winter. The Eastern front had more to do with the demise of Germany than the US troops, but then again, you're a moron, so how could you know better?
 

MongGrel

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If you believe that, that you must believe that radical Muslims now are terrorists.

Amazing how much hate the left has for white chrisitans who arent blowing people up in the name of religion, while showing so much support for brown muslims that are. How fucked up is that?

Amazing how many Democrats are white Christians to begin with.

Your mindset is so really tunnel vision it's a bit pathetic.

And yes, the Eastern Front took Hitler down more than anything.
 
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bshole

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Patiently. Over decades. With containment, and, when possible, constructive engagement. Even as hotheads wanted us to risk nuclear annihilation over Korea, over China, over Vietnam, and over Cuba, we had faith that ours was the superior ideology. We were correct.

Oh, you mean Herr Hitler. Long after Hitler had overrun Western Europe and was knocking on England's door, and even after his ally Japan attacked us, we did not declare war on Germany.

Read your history. Germany declared war on us, not vice versa.

There is always a bogeyman out there, be it the Nazis or the commies or ZOMGSaddamHussien or now, the Mooselums. And there are always those short-sighted cowards amongst us who are quick, in their quivering fear, to abandon our bedrock ideals while they urge Armaggedon, be it the scumbag scourge of McCarthyism then or those pandering politicians now saying we shouldn't take in any of the refugees fleeing ISIS terror because one or two might be moles.

Fear-based abandonment of our highest, most inclusive ideals -- give us your poor, your tired, yearning to be free -- is the reactionaries go to response, and always has been.

But it is our most tolerant, most inclusive ideals which are, and always have been, our highest, best strength, and our saving grace. It is those ideals, not always lived up to but still held as our goal, which have enabled us to prevail over the more hateful ideologies.

ISIS promotes fear, hate, death and exclusion. Our own right wing panderers promote their own brand of this in reaction. It is up to the rest of us not to let either prevail.

For the record, the Boston Marathon bombing was initiated by children of Muslim refugees from a war torn country. Think about that for a second. Out of a small batch of muslim refugees, we spawn a terrorist attack on American soil. On the other hand, we have taken in MILLIONS of Mexican refugees with no terror attacks. Not all immigrants are equal. Immigrants with a world view that includes the destruction of technology, science and secularism are not helpful. It is stupid risk that we need not take.
 

SP33Demon

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Amazing how many Democrats are white Christians to begin with.

Your mindset is so really tunnel vision it's a bit pathetic.

And yes, the Eastern Front took Hitler down more than anything.

Regardless of how Hitler was defeated, it's a fact that the muslims joined forces with the Nazi's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world

The relationship between the Nazi movement and the leadership of the Arab world encompassed contempt, propaganda, collaboration and in some instances emulation. Cooperative relationships were founded on shared hostilities toward common enemies, such as British and French imperialism, colonialism, communism, and Zionism.

Interesting that not many people know who muslim leader Amin al-Husseini was and that he was knee deep in collusion with the Nazi's. The principles of the Koran fit right in with Germany's agenda it would seem.

During the unsuccessful 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine, which was instigated by mass Jewish migration to Palestine, Husseini and his allies took the opportunity to strengthen relations with the Third Reich and enforced the spread of Nazi customs and propaganda throughout their strongholds in Palestine as a gesture of respect.[222] In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood would follow al-Husseini's lead.[223] Hitler's influence soon spread throughout the region, but it was not until 1937 that the Nazi government agreed to grant al-Husseini and the Muslim Brotherhood's request for financial and military assistance.[220]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Hitler.27s_views_on_Islam