What Will You Miss About Bush?

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: jbourne77
... Clinton created zero wealth. None. He's a textbook example of right place, right time. It's so obvious that it shouldn't need to be said, let alone taught. It's common sense and it's as intuitive as 2 + 2. You can add, can't you?

Has any president created wealth?

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but I was simply responding to the notion - the gut-busting-laughable notion - that Clinton created wealth. In fact, not only did Clinton not create the wealth of the 90's, said wealth largely never existed anywhere but on paper.

Simple question to gauge your premise.

Has any president from the first george to this last george (thank god we got away from king george, eh?) ever created wealth?

Well, the problem with the question is that it's open to rather ambiguous interpretation. I don't necessarily believe the POTUS has the ability to create wealth as much as he has the ability to impede it.

Contrary to a statement JoS made earlier, high taxes can sap wealth from a nation, and there are fairly basic mathematical equations that demonstrate this. The academic term for this is the "tax wedge". Excessive taxes suppress productivity incentives and voila - GDP takes a hit.

Micro 101

I asked the question since most talk of this concept is very partisan. In good times, if it's your guy then he's responsible. If it's the other guy, then it was your previous guy who's responsible. And, I understand the premise that lowering taxes can be useful - like pruning a bush or tree to make for new growth. I also know that some economic theories are bullshit. For example, reagan's trickle down economics didn't.

What's different here is that you're contending that no president is able to create wealth. So if presidents don't create wealth, then your tirade about clinton was opportunistic. He didn't create any since no president does.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: jbourne77
... Clinton created zero wealth. None. He's a textbook example of right place, right time. It's so obvious that it shouldn't need to be said, let alone taught. It's common sense and it's as intuitive as 2 + 2. You can add, can't you?

Has any president created wealth?

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but I was simply responding to the notion - the gut-busting-laughable notion - that Clinton created wealth. In fact, not only did Clinton not create the wealth of the 90's, said wealth largely never existed anywhere but on paper.

Simple question to gauge your premise.

Has any president from the first george to this last george (thank god we got away from king george, eh?) ever created wealth?

You honestly think a die hard partisan who would vote for him if it meant that he was going to get killed would answer that honestly?

I think it is fairly obvious what Clinton did for the US and i think twats like this twat should be ashamed of themselves for denying it.

Let me ask you a third time: what wealth did Clinton create and how did he do it? Try to be a grown boy for 30 seconds and answer the question without whining about twats or the length of a post. Either put up or shut up.

LOOK THE FUCK ABOVE! I already did.

What the fuck is wrong with your daft arse?

You know, annoying me can lead to bad results.

You're an idiot. I surely hope this isn't your "evidence":

Calmer climate and everyone felt safer, industry blooming, people bought with own money, investments in new production was daily news and supported actions, financed research.

That's not evidence, you Neanderthal (already used it once tonight, but it's rather applicable). For the last time, correlation != causation. Have you never taken a 100-level logic course?

Be specific: what PRECISELY did Clinton do to create wealth? We can precisely state what various presidents have done to impede wealth, so it should be no problem for you to be EXACT and PRECISE. Platitudes and general observations are not evidence; did you bite off more than you can chew?

 

[RabidMongoose]

I'll miss worrying about the president dying from a pretzel.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Son, i don't even remember where you are from, what forum was it?

Beats me, but it obviously left an impression. I'm flattered! All I remember of you is that you can't speak two words to someone who disagrees with you without a huge vein popping out of your forehead! I suppose if there's any consolation to anyone subjected to your half-thoughts and venom, it's that you'll soon stroke out.

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Lemme see if i got this straight, the US flourished under Clinton, do i have that right? But it wasn't his doing, right?

Ah... the old "correlation = causation"... the Neanderthal's crutch :laugh:

Tell me, "son", precisely what wealth did Clinton create and how?

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
It went to hell under GW, but that wasn't his doing, right? His squandering of trillions had no effect, right?

I'm not sure who you're replying to now, because I made no mention of Bush whatsoever. But since you asked, market corrections began before Clinton even left office. Does that mean Clinton is responsible for the fall? No. Does that mean Bush's hands are clean? No. Does this even address the cash sinkhole that is the war? Absolutely not. But you see, economic scenarios like this aren't nearly as black and white as you need them to be. Understanding them first requires at least a mild degree of objectivity, maturity, and understanding of basic economic principles. Pinning the perceived fiscal success of the 90's squarely on Clinton and the slow tailspin since squarely on Bush demonstrates a complete lack of all three.

I'm tired and you're boring.

Cliffnote that or i won't read it.

LMAO

You're a joke, guy. Really. :laugh:

Since you can't be bothered to READ, you twit, let's start with this: what wealth did Clinton create and how did he do it?

I already answered that question, READ and COMPREHEND or were you homeschooled and only learned to know the signs of Satan?

I'm sorry, i really don't like twats like you, i just can't help it, you bring out the worst in me, or not the worst.

In Afghanistan, all is calm and our fucking planes have not arrieved.

Then surely you wouldn't mind quoting your own post. I mean, if you can't be bothered to read a simple reply from me to you, you surely can't expect me to go digging for your "evidence".

Put up or shut up.

By the way, I was not home schooled. But since you asked, I have an undergraduate degree in Ecomomics currently working on my graduate degree and finishing a B.A. in Mathematics (the amount of math required for grad school put be rather close to it to begin with, so I figured what the heck). I also teach several undergraduate Econ courses as part of my graduate work.

I normally don't wave my dick in the wind like that, but I think it's relevant at the moment.

Son, you were NEVER relevant.

If you can't scroll upwards i suggest you get a better keyboard or mouse.

This is the last you'll hear from me, i can't stand you, i really can't.

People like you crack me up :laugh:

First, you use the moderate length of a post as an excuse to not address poignant questions asked of you. You then proceed to instruct people to march around a forum looking for things you typed "awhile ago".

Second, you make wild, uneducated, unsubstantiated claims that you a) have no intention of backing up, and b) can't possibly back up. When called out on it and pressed to the wall, you collect your Barbie dolls and go home in the name of "frustration".

You truly are an idiot. At least you can't say I didn't give you ample opportunity to prove otherwise .

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: seemingly random
What's different here is that you're contending that no president is able to create wealth. So if presidents don't create wealth, then your tirade about clinton was opportunistic. He didn't create any since no president does.

There was nothing opportunistic about it. You're trying to argue a hidden agenda of mine that truly isn't there. The claim that Clinton created wealth is flat out wrong; implying that he did demonstrates a gross misunderstanding of a whole slew of things: history, concepts, reality, you name it. How I feel about a president's impact in general is totally irrelevant. It doesn't impact the validity of the original statement at all, which is what I was addressing.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

:roll: trim your damn quotes.

 

[Moonbeam]

What Will You Miss About Bush?

I'm afraid I'm going to wake up in the middle of the night wondering where I left my asshole.

 

[miketheidiot]

just going to shoot out a few potential example to we can move off this topic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecom_Reform_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...ity_Reconciliation_Act

alot of conservatives have been after this one lately, namely the capital gains changes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...yer_Relief_Act_of_1997

finally http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nafta


of course assigning any particular amount of credit or blame to any one person is difficult due to do, due to the large number of people and forces at work. However, you can credit clinton with, as leading symbol of the country, doing what he could to not hurt industry and to provide stability and confidence, which is certainly important to often panicky investors and consumers.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: seemingly random
What's different here is that you're contending that no president is able to create wealth. So if presidents don't create wealth, then your tirade about clinton was opportunistic. He didn't create any since no president does.

There was nothing opportunistic about it. You're trying to argue a hidden agenda of mine that truly isn't there. The claim that Clinton created wealth is flat out wrong; implying that he did demonstrates a gross misunderstanding of a whole slew of things: history, concepts, reality, you name it. How I feel about a president's impact in general is totally irrelevant. It doesn't impact the validity of the original statement at all, which is what I was addressing.

So, you disagree with

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: seemingly random
Has any president created wealth?

Eisenhower, via the interstate highway state, for one. TR with the panama canal, etc. Truman and the marshal plan, etc

?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
:roll: trim your damn quotes.

NO!

 

[miketheidiot]

in before the Wikipedia cheapshot, i'm lazy and tired so stfu

also the forums apparently autolink now, and i also bet my posts get ignored so you idiots can keep flinging shit at eachother

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What Will You Miss About Bush?

I'm afraid I'm going to wake up in the middle of the night wondering where I left my asshole.

Made me laugh.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
in before the Wikipedia cheapshot, i'm lazy and tired so stfu

also the forums apparently autolink now, and i also bet my posts get ignored so you idiots can keep flinging shit at eachother

Hey, *cough* *cough* it's good shit, man.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What Will You Miss About Bush?

I'm afraid I'm going to wake up in the middle of the night wondering where I left my asshole.

Made me laugh.

Me too. I can imagine something like that ad years ago asking parents if they knew where their kids were.

"Do you know where your asshole is?"

 

[ScottyB]

His sayings.

 

[blahblah99]

Originally posted by: seemingly random
Was looking at drudge to see if he had palin's "ethics acquittal" at the top in 100 point and found this little gem.

Some samples:

- I'll miss his staggering intellect.
- I will miss the fear. Being afraid to speak out against mistakes my government was making in fear of retribution against me and my family.
- I'll be missing the time our collective IQ went down 25 points.
- I'll be missing the man's brilliant military strategies.

http://www.drudge.com/news/114471/you-miss-bush

I was going to add some clever remark about what I'll miss about bush but can't come up with anything that hasn't been repeated again and again.

I won't miss one thing about him. The butchering of his native language was funny at first but became terribly embarrassing.

I'll miss the fact that there was a Dick behind that Bush.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
in before the Wikipedia cheapshot, i'm lazy and tired so stfu

also the forums apparently autolink now, and i also bet my posts get ignored so you idiots can keep flinging shit at eachother

well it appears that i am being ingored, but at least everyone stfu

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

well it appears that i am being ingored, but at least everyone stfu

O HAI! I got ignored in this thread too

 

[seemingly random]

Selective ignorance?

 

[Insomniator]

lower taxes

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
lower taxes

Do you have kids? or grand kids? or nieces, nephews or younger cousins? You know that the u.s. can't continue deficit spending forever, right. Who's going to ultimately pay? Republicans seem to think that borrow and spend is not a pyramid scheme. It's bs. Republicans should grow a pair and start preaching spending cuts. It's not politically expedient but it's honest.

 

[Insomniator]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Insomniator
lower taxes

Do you have kids? or grand kids? or nieces, nephews or younger cousins? You know that the u.s. can't continue deficit spending forever, right. Who's going to ultimately pay? Republicans seem to think that borrow and spend is not a pyramid scheme. It's bs. Republicans should grow a pair and start preaching spending cuts. It's not politically expedient but it's honest.

I agree. I am a conservative not a republican.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What Will You Miss About Bush?

I'm afraid I'm going to wake up in the middle of the night wondering where I left my asshole.

Rest assured moonie, all you have to do is reach up and touch your face and viola, there it is.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What Will You Miss About Bush?

I'm afraid I'm going to wake up in the middle of the night wondering where I left my asshole.

Rest assured moonie, all you have to do is reach up and touch your face and viola, there it is.

Why all the bitterness Matt?

 

[AFMatt]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Insomniator
lower taxes

Do you have kids? or grand kids? or nieces, nephews or younger cousins? You know that the u.s. can't continue deficit spending forever, right. Who's going to ultimately pay? Republicans seem to think that borrow and spend is not a pyramid scheme. It's bs. Republicans should grow a pair and start preaching spending cuts. It's not politically expedient but it's honest.

Why just Republicans? Democrats are just as guilty, and both parties need to take that advice. Unfortunately, I fear those cuts aren't going to happen with the Obama administration.