What was that about no Afghanistan pipeline?

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Originally posted by: hagbard
Everything we say here is "speculation". My oil pipeline will likley remain "speculation" because I speculate that the US won't have anymore success in Afghanistan then the Russians did.

We've already had more success than Canada did.
 

hagbard

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: hagbard
Everything we say here is "speculation". My oil pipeline will likley remain "speculation" because I speculate that the US won't have anymore success in Afghanistan then the Russians did.

We've already had more success than Canada did.

Hummm....we are part of the forces there.

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: EngineNr9
So go through and tell us what exactly is speculation and why it is baseless.

Everything we say here is "speculation". My oil pipeline will likley remain "speculation" because I speculate that the US won't have anymore success in Afghanistan then the Russians did.


Well we are not out to conquer them so the results are likely to be much different.
Since the US has been in afganistan:

Afganistan now has a unified currency again.
A military is being built to keep the warlords out of power.
Infrastructure is being put back into place.
Women are back in school.
Women are driving.
A natural gas pipeline is going in which will create annual revenue and jobs.
And I am guessing this is just the short list. All is not perfect in afghanistan, but it is getting better. We are hardly screwing this country over.

So, when were you there?

Never been. But I can read about what is happening there.

Government "spin".


Prove that the articles concerning these things are purely goverment spin.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: hagbard
Everything we say here is "speculation". My oil pipeline will likley remain "speculation" because I speculate that the US won't have anymore success in Afghanistan then the Russians did.

We've already had more success than Canada did.

Hummm....we are part of the forces there.

So what you are saying is, that anything positive that happens there can be attributed to Canadian forces and all the bad can be contributed to US forces.

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etech

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: hagbard
Everything we say here is "speculation". My oil pipeline will likley remain "speculation" because I speculate that the US won't have anymore success in Afghanistan then the Russians did.

We've already had more success than Canada did.

Hummm....we are part of the forces there.

OMG, it's all so clear now. Canada is after Afghanistan's oil! They were there so that must be the only reason, right?



 

charrison

Lifer
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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: hagbard
Everything we say here is "speculation". My oil pipeline will likley remain "speculation" because I speculate that the US won't have anymore success in Afghanistan then the Russians did.

We've already had more success than Canada did.

Hummm....we are part of the forces there.

OMG, it's all so clear now. Canada is after Afghanistan's oil! They were there so that must be the only reason, right?

I think you are onto something.
 

hagbard

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: EngineNr9
So go through and tell us what exactly is speculation and why it is baseless.

Everything we say here is "speculation". My oil pipeline will likley remain "speculation" because I speculate that the US won't have anymore success in Afghanistan then the Russians did.


Well we are not out to conquer them so the results are likely to be much different.
Since the US has been in afganistan:

Afganistan now has a unified currency again.
A military is being built to keep the warlords out of power.
Infrastructure is being put back into place.
Women are back in school.
Women are driving.
A natural gas pipeline is going in which will create annual revenue and jobs.
And I am guessing this is just the short list. All is not perfect in afghanistan, but it is getting better. We are hardly screwing this country over.

So, when were you there?

Never been. But I can read about what is happening there.

Government "spin".


Prove that the articles concerning these things are purely goverment spin.

Prove that they're not.

 

hagbard

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Nov 30, 2000
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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: hagbard
Everything we say here is "speculation". My oil pipeline will likley remain "speculation" because I speculate that the US won't have anymore success in Afghanistan then the Russians did.

We've already had more success than Canada did.

Hummm....we are part of the forces there.

OMG, it's all so clear now. Canada is after Afghanistan's oil! They were there so that must be the only reason, right?

I don't know...how much oil does Afghanistan have? ;)
 

etech

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Since the US has been in afganistan:
Afganistan now has a unified currency again.
A military is being built to keep the warlords out of power.
Infrastructure is being put back into place.
Women are back in school.
Women are driving.
A natural gas pipeline is going in which will create annual revenue and jobs.
And I am guessing this is just the short list. All is not perfect in afghanistan, but it is getting better. We are hardly screwing this country over.

Hagbard
Government "spin".


Hagbard, are you denying that those actions are happening in Afghanistan?

I want to get you on record as denying it before I make you look even more like a fool then you have already done to yourself.
 

hagbard

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Originally posted by: etech
Since the US has been in afganistan:
Afganistan now has a unified currency again.
A military is being built to keep the warlords out of power.
Infrastructure is being put back into place.
Women are back in school.
Women are driving.
A natural gas pipeline is going in which will create annual revenue and jobs.
And I am guessing this is just the short list. All is not perfect in afghanistan, but it is getting better. We are hardly screwing this country over.

Hagbard
Government "spin".


Hagbard, are you denying that those actions are happening in Afghanistan?

I want to get you on record as denying it before I make you look even more like a fool then you have already done to yourself.

Some of its true, some is half true, and some are bs. Its mostly "spin". We're not getting the "whole story".

 

etech

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Well pray tell, what is the whole story? What parts are being left out.

Spill it man. If you know something for sure than let us all in on it.

Which part do you deny is happening? What is the spin. Don't be shy. Tell us.
 

hagbard

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Originally posted by: etech
Well pray tell, what is the whole story? What parts are being left out.

Spill it man. If you know something for sure than let us all in on it.

Which part do you deny is happening? What is the spin. Don't be shy. Tell us.

Hey, I can only speculate.

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: etech
Well pray tell, what is the whole story? What parts are being left out.

Spill it man. If you know something for sure than let us all in on it.

Which part do you deny is happening? What is the spin. Don't be shy. Tell us.

Hey, I can only speculate.

Please speculate, we are waiting.
 

hagbard

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: etech
Well pray tell, what is the whole story? What parts are being left out.

Spill it man. If you know something for sure than let us all in on it.

Which part do you deny is happening? What is the spin. Don't be shy. Tell us.

Hey, I can only speculate.

Please speculate, we are waiting.

Sure buddy!

Afganistan now has a unified currency again ---> true but we're not hearing how successful it's been across the country. Spin.

A military is being built to keep the warlords out of power -----> true, but won't work. Spin.

Infrastructure is being put back into place ----->In Kabul, partly true. Spin.

Women are back in school ---->Likely untrue outside of Kabul or places where they're allowing the foreign press. Spin.

Women are driving ----> Wow.

A natural gas pipeline is going in which will create annual revenue and jobs -----> which you denied for weeks. Its not being done for the people of Afghanistan.


 

charrison

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Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: etech
Well pray tell, what is the whole story? What parts are being left out.

Spill it man. If you know something for sure than let us all in on it.

Which part do you deny is happening? What is the spin. Don't be shy. Tell us.

Hey, I can only speculate.

Please speculate, we are waiting.

Sure buddy!

Afganistan now has a unified currency again ---> true but we're not hearing how successful it's been across the country. Spin.

It takes the power away from the warlords. The various warlords used the print their own currency. This is a huge step forward to a unified country. Spin it all you want, this is good news

A military is being built to keep the warlords out of power -----> true, but won't work. Spin.
And why will this not? Do you think there are not enough afgans that care enough to keep their country together? You are the one spinning.


Infrastructure is being put back into place ----->In Kabul, partly true. Spin.
Incorrect. Roads are being put in, fields are being demined, powerstations are going back up, radio and tv are back. You are the one spinning again.

Women are back in school ---->Likely untrue outside of Kabul or places where they're allowing the foreign press. Spin.

The press can go to any major city in afganistan. There is a long road ahead for afgan women, actually all afgans for that matter. You are the one spinning again.

Women are driving ----> Wow.
Yes wow. Granted there are no driving rules there, so I doubt they will fail a test. Or maybe some law order has been created to make the streets safer. Many people in Afganistan beleive it is "God's Will" if they make it thru an intersection.

A natural gas pipeline is going in which will create annual revenue and jobs -----> which you denied for weeks. Its not being done for the people of Afghanistan.

I denied that there were any current plans, until there were current plans. I have never denied an afgan pipeline is desirable by many countries and companies. I am also glad it is being built, as it shows that afganistan is becoming a more stable place and it will provide jobs and revenue for the country.

 

etech

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Hagbard
A natural gas pipeline is going in which will create annual revenue and jobs -----> which you denied for weeks. Its not being done for the people of Afghanistan.

I have always denied that an OIL pipeline was being put through Afghanistan. There is still no OIL pipeline even being proposed to go through there. Try to keep your stories straight.

Will the people of Afghanistan benefit from the Natural Gas pipeline that has been proposed? Yes or no please.

But you are partially correct, it's not being done just for the people of Afghanistan, it will also benefit the people of Pakistan and India. I even imagine a few companies might make a few dollars off of it, god forbid that would be so fvcking terrible wouldn't it? Some companies make some money, workers get jobs and the governments of three countries get tax revenue to spend on their citizens. Progress is just so freaking horrible to contemplate.

Will you please read the link I provided on the deforestation of Afghanistan. It's just so freaking depressing, even the ecology of the region might get helped out a little. Damn shame.


I still ask you for one shred of proof, not speculation but proof, that the US went into Afghanistan because they wanted oil.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
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The supply seems endless.

A gas pipeline is not what Afghanistan needs. It's what the west wants and part of what we are there to make happen.
actually it sounds like its what india and pakistan want.

 

PistachioByAzul

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Again, that's $4 trillion in the Caspian to hit the market, we benefit whether or not the US is directly involved in the project (and there's no reason to believe that we aren't involved, whether we hear about it or not).
 

EndGame

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Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Again, that's $4 trillion in the Caspian to hit the market, we benefit whether or not the US is directly involved in the project (and there's no reason to believe that we aren't involved, whether we hear about it or not).

WTF is the difference? What, now US companies are not allowed to do business overseas?
rolleye.gif
Seems as if quite a few companies stand to profit from such a pipeline and if a US company or two are involved, more power to them for a decsion which will be quite lucrative!
 

Dudd

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Originally posted by: EndGame
Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Again, that's $4 trillion in the Caspian to hit the market, we benefit whether or not the US is directly involved in the project (and there's no reason to believe that we aren't involved, whether we hear about it or not).

WTF is the difference? What, now US companies are not allowed to do business overseas?
rolleye.gif
Seems as if quite a few companies stand to profit from such a pipeline and if a US company or two are involved, more power to them for a decsion which will be quite lucrative!

Exactly. There is an opportunity for business to invest in Afghanistan, so they are. Moonbeam, pray tell, who exactly employs you? Unless you employ yourself, you are reaping the benefits of a company. Why should Afghanistan be any different? I swear, you must want them to live as they did in the middle ages, subsiding of the land and whatever the king granted them. Heaven forbid that anyone invest there, it might bring their economy to the 19th century.