The article is all just speculation Moonie. Why don't you just post your other one about the US military bombing warlords to make them lower their price for letting the pipeline run through their regions? You do remember when you posted that little bit of crap don't you?
The article is all just speculation Moonie. Why don't you just post your other one about the US military bombing warlords to make them lower their price for letting the pipeline run through their regions? You do remember when you posted that little bit of crap don't you?
"We need Afghanistan because it's the gateway to Central Asia, which is full of oil and natural gas...That's what it's all about. We are establishing our control over Central Asia."
Really, it doesn't matter whether or not that gas comes straight to us, once the market is opened up we can move in and control it.
The Caspian sea has $4 trillion worth.
Really, it doesn't matter whether or not that gas comes straight to us, once the market is opened up we can move in and control it.
The Caspian sea has $4 trillion worth.
Don't you people get it? The only way that those countries can rebuild is through foreign investments. If we've gone to war, the least we can do is pump some money into their local economies. Was the only reason for WWII money, since after all, we did institute the Marshall Plan to rebuild the economies of Europe and Japan. I'm sure that in the long run, that helped out the US immensely as well. Face the facts, economics and war will forever be intertwined. You can't simply raize a country and then leave it. Take a look at Germany after WWI. We did nothing to help them rebuild, and in fact we even hindered them by forcing them to pay reparations for the war. What happened? Economic collapse followed by the rise of the Nazis and WWII. If that's what you suggest we do in Afghanistan, I have no choice but to label you a moron. Right now, natural resources are amung the only things that these countries have. They don't have the educated populace that Europe, Asia, and North America have. You can't open up a business that relies on that there. Relatively simple endevears such as these pipelines are one of the few ways to jumpstart their economy, which in turn will lead to a higher level of living and better education. I know, thinking is hard, but if you try it, things will make sense.
Apparently they want Afghanistan to concetrate on drug production instead, since that doesn't require foreigh investments
I still think it was all for the talking-clock pipeline. "time will tell."
I still think it was all for the talking-clock pipeline. "time will tell."
BS Dudd, large scale ventures like pipelines benefit a small cadre of the rich. Foreign aid is the way to rebuild Afghanistan in the form of getting basic amenities up and running and farming and other sustainable industries. We need to build a local economy for local people. Everything we do is about extraction, oil gas iron or other natural resources. We care a Marshall Plan and eventual local democracy.
I'm sure if Kasrai begs Unical, his old employer to come back in and build the pipeline they will reluctantly agree. That would be so wonderful of them and garner them universal praise, I'm sure.
Etech refers to a radio program where it was stated that the US had bombed warlords along the pipeline's planned route to reduce or eliminate them from the negociations since the claim was that their demanded protection money was a major reason keeping the pipeline from being built. The Taliban were not cooperating on the negociations. I have a feeling the two French authors that described the US threat to choose a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs was the source, but I didn't read their book. I have so far not seen or heard that claim elsewhere.
The notion that American foreign policy isn't tied to our (corporate) economic interests seems pretty silly to me. I can't imagine why the captains of industry would contribute and lobby otherwise. You get what you pay for, they say.
I just hope somebody follows the money on the pipeline deal. I'm sure most will go to the poor in Afghanistan, but maybe just a bit might wind up in American pockets, but just a wee bit, mind you.
I'll trade you a gas field for an oil field.
I'm sure if Kasrai begs Unical, his old employer to come back in and build the pipeline they will reluctantly agree. That would be so wonderful of them and garner them universal praise, I'm sure.
Etech refers to a radio program where it was stated that the US had bombed warlords along the pipeline's planned route to reduce or eliminate them from the negociations since the claim was that their demanded protection money was a major reason keeping the pipeline from being built. The Taliban were not cooperating on the negociations. I have a feeling the two French authors that described the US threat to choose a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs was the source, but I didn't read their book. I have so far not seen or heard that claim elsewhere.
The notion that American foreign policy isn't tied to our (corporate) economic interests seems pretty silly to me. I can't imagine why the captains of industry would contribute and lobby otherwise. You get what you pay for, they say.
I just hope somebody follows the money on the pipeline deal. I'm sure most will go to the poor in Afghanistan, but maybe just a bit might wind up in American pockets, but just a wee bit, mind you.
I'll trade you a gas field for an oil field.
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Foreign aid? How about you quit your job and rely on foreign aid to keep you sustained. Sure friends and family will help you out, but for how long? How will you eventually sustain yourself? It's akin to giving a man a mackerol or teaching him how to fish.
Moonie, I refer to when you thought enough of that bit of crap to post it on this board. You are disgusting.
If anyone bothered to read the article, there were no US backers or companies involved in this project but even if there were so fvcking what! Are you trying to say the the only reason the US went into Afghanistan was to get a fvcking pipeline. You freaking poor soulless mindless idiots.
You spit on the grave of everyone that died on 9/11 with that assertion just as Moonie spits on every service man and women with his little story.
It's allright Moonie, you have shown what you think of the service men and women of the United States.
Pond scum looks down on you.
Pond scum looks down on you.
Of course the corporations that build the pipeline would benefit. No one does anything in this world for nothing. There has to be a reward for those willing to invest. The Marshall Plan wasn't this grand humanitarian venture, it was a plan to keep Germany from reverting to its post-WWI self. The US was willing to pour billions into the German and Japanese economies on the belief that this investment would not allow the next Hitler or the next Tojo to come to power. Also, we didn't want to see communism take over, so we had to make it harder for the USSR to take a foothold as well. We're doing the same thing, albeit on a smaller scale, in Afghanistan. We're rebuilding schools, strengthening the countries government, all of which will help Afghanistan to reach a better future. However, it's foolish to not expect corporations to take advantage of this new stability to further their own interests. And, unless you are some kind of socialist that yearns for complete government control, there is a need for these corporations to come in and provide much needed capital. The government can't and shouldn't be expected to be an entire countries economy. Capitalism in its many forms have proven itself to be the best economic system in the world, and it would be foolish to deny the Afgani people the right to live under this system.
Nope. Got it from my old broker over coffee. He's been predicting much of this stuff for the past two years, and hasn't got it wrong yet.
Everything we say here is "speculation". My oil pipeline will likley remain "speculation" because I speculate that the US won't have anymore success in Afghanistan then the Russians did.
I could speculate that you Hagbard are a child molesting pervert and it would have just as much validity as the theory that you present. But hey, it's just speculation right?
Well we are not out to conquer them so the results are likely to be much different.
Since the US has been in afganistan:
Afganistan now has a unified currency again.
A military is being built to keep the warlords out of power.
Infrastructure is being put back into place.
Women are back in school.
Women are driving.
A natural gas pipeline is going in which will create annual revenue and jobs.
And I am guessing this is just the short list. All is not perfect in afghanistan, but it is getting better. We are hardly screwing this country over.
I could speculate that you Hagbard are a child molesting pervert and it would have just as much validity as the theory that you present. But hey, it's just speculation right?
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Didn't have to see the poster's name to recognize that. Vintage etech. He revels in calling others all manner of names on the pretext he's making a point. It's that bully mentality. Can't stand it when people don't agree with everything he says as if it were the word of God.
Hehe, that old self importance has got you in it's spell, that old self importance that you love so well.
You must have been kept in a very tight cage as a child, etech. So intollerant of difference.
One must specualte on what the administration has up their sleeve since what they say outwardly makes so little sense.
Dudd, you are partially right and what you see as right blinds you to where you are wrong, in my opinion. The kind of cap[italism you describe there isn't the kind Afghanistan needs, it's the kind where we benefit but the common people there don't. Please do a little research on how to reconstruct a damaged society. There are all kinds of organizations that do that work like World Vision. You're ok, you just don't know much.
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Didn't have to see the poster's name to recognize that. Vintage etech. He revels in calling others all manner of names on the pretext he's making a point. It's that bully mentality. Can't stand it when people don't agree with everything he says as if it were the word of God.
Hehe, that old self importance has got you in it's spell, that old self importance that you love so well.You must have been kept in a very tight cage as a child, etech. So intollerant of difference.
One must specualte on what the administration has up their sleeve since what they say outwardly makes so little sense.
Dudd, you are partially right and what you see as right blinds you to where you are wrong, in my opinion. The kind of cap[italism you describe there isn't the kind Afghanistan needs, it's the kind where we benefit but the common people there don't. Please do a little research on how to reconstruct a damaged society. There are all kinds of organizations that do that work like World Vision. You're ok, you just don't know much.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I could speculate that you Hagbard are a child molesting pervert and it would have just as much validity as the theory that you present. But hey, it's just speculation right?
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Didn't have to see the poster's name to recognize that. Vintage etech. He revels in calling others all manner of names on the pretext he's making a point. It's that bully mentality. Can't stand it when people don't agree with everything he says as if it were the word of God.
You must have been kept in a very tight cage as a child, etech. So intollerant of difference.
One must specualte on what the administration has up their sleeve since what they say outwardly makes so little sense.
Dudd, you are partially right and what you see as right blinds you to where you are wrong, in my opinion. The kind of cap[italism you describe there isn't the kind Afghanistan needs, it's the kind where we benefit but the common people there don't. Please do a little research on how to reconstruct a damaged society. There are all kinds of organizations that do that work like World Vision. You're ok, you just don't know much.
Moonbeam, if you had the reading comprehension of a three year old you would notice that I did not call anyone a name. I merely showed the folly of the speculation that you and Hagbard specialize in.
You see I hold our military forces in some esteem, you have shown that you would rather spit on them. I would rather base my discussions on facts. you and Hagbard both are laughable in that area. So spin your little discourses, anyone that spits on our military as you have deserves and will get no respect or consideration from me.
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I could speculate that you Hagbard are a child molesting pervert and it would have just as much validity as the theory that you present. But hey, it's just speculation right?
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Didn't have to see the poster's name to recognize that. Vintage etech. He revels in calling others all manner of names on the pretext he's making a point. It's that bully mentality. Can't stand it when people don't agree with everything he says as if it were the word of God.
You must have been kept in a very tight cage as a child, etech. So intollerant of difference.
One must specualte on what the administration has up their sleeve since what they say outwardly makes so little sense.
Dudd, you are partially right and what you see as right blinds you to where you are wrong, in my opinion. The kind of cap[italism you describe there isn't the kind Afghanistan needs, it's the kind where we benefit but the common people there don't. Please do a little research on how to reconstruct a damaged society. There are all kinds of organizations that do that work like World Vision. You're ok, you just don't know much.
Moonbeam, if you had the reading comprehension of a three year old you would notice that I did not call anyone a name. I merely showed the folly of the speculation that you and Hagbard specialize in.
You see I hold our military forces in some esteem, you have shown that you would rather spit on them. I would rather base my discussions on facts. you and Hagbard both are laughable in that area. So spin your little discourses, anyone that spits on our military as you have deserves and will get no respect or consideration from me.
When have you back up any statement with "facts"?
hagbard
Anytime I was asked, unlike you who bases his postings on hate of another country's president.
Anytime I was asked, unlike you who bases his postings on hate of another country's president.
I'm not knocking another countries president, I'll leave that to Bush. He appears to want to kill one.
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