What was our justification for going into Iraq?

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: yllus
To invade the only remotely politically allowable nation in the Middle East that would create a foothold in the region to institute democratic reforms in the terrorists' own backyard.

For the Iraqis, they simultaneously rid themselves of a psycho dictator, can move towards institution of a responsible government and can finally spread the wealth of the country around like only capitalism can. For the West, we create an irresistible central target for terrorists to flood into instead of always being on the defence at home. For the rest of the Middle East, this puts them on notice that this sh!t won't fly anymore - shape your country up, even slowly if you must, or we'll do it for you.

It's no doubt easier to sit back and navel-gaze forever about what should and shouldn't be, but when it comes to action I've not heard a better plan yet.

:thumbsup:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: yllus
To invade the only remotely politically allowable nation in the Middle East that would create a foothold in the region to institute democratic reforms in the terrorists' own backyard.

For the Iraqis, they simultaneously rid themselves of a psycho dictator, can move towards institution of a responsible government and can finally spread the wealth of the country around like only capitalism can. For the West, we create an irresistible central target for terrorists to flood into instead of always being on the defence at home. For the rest of the Middle East, this puts them on notice that this sh!t won't fly anymore - shape your country up, even slowly if you must, or we'll do it for you.

It's no doubt easier to sit back and navel-gaze forever about what should and shouldn't be, but when it comes to action I've not heard a better plan yet.

Where's that : puke; smiley when you need it?

 

[cwjerome]

Asked to criticize Bush or his policies and the Left embellishes volumes of words to express their hatred.

Asked to come up with a better plan they're either instantaneously mute or mumble some sheepish thoughts about begging the enemy to become nice.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: conjur
To establish a permanent American military presence in Iraq.
To protect Israel
To rape Iraq's natural resources and insert American companies friendly to this administration into Iraq to make more money (privatizing formerly nationalized industries)


WMDs were just a convenient, yet falsified, excuse.

Jihad also said that the government has no intention to privatise the oil sector, but would remain under state control.

"We will seek foreign investments, that will allow us to develop our industry but without paving the way for foreign monopolies to take over," he said.


Wanna guess which thread that came out of?

Lets disect the rest of your points.

What advantages does having an American presence in Iraq have over say Kuwait, Yemen, UAE, or SA?

And if Saddam was no threat why the need to protect Israel?

You actually trying to reason with a liberal?!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Texun
It doesn't matter what the real reason is... terrirosts want to kill you and me. We fight or die, and I would rather see the US fight them over there as much as possible instead of here. We still have the threat but give this some thought: By uprooting Saddamm many insurgents are flowing to Iraq like bugs to a light. It's better to have them moving into Iraq than to have them here. Some are here already but many of their resources are concentrated in the ME.

I see the kool-aid runs deep in this one.

Are you one of the liberal idiots that used the Kool-aid reference without knowing what it meant? That was a great thread - for conservatives!

 

[conjur]

Do you have anything to add to this thread, Condor, or are you just going to troll?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Texun
It doesn't matter what the real reason is... terrirosts want to kill you and me. We fight or die, and I would rather see the US fight them over there as much as possible instead of here. We still have the threat but give this some thought: By uprooting Saddamm many insurgents are flowing to Iraq like bugs to a light. It's better to have them moving into Iraq than to have them here. Some are here already but many of their resources are concentrated in the ME.

I see the kool-aid runs deep in this one.

Are you one of the liberal idiots that used the Kool-aid reference without knowing what it meant? That was a great thread - for conservatives!

Sorry, Mr. Jones. I know EXACTLY what the kool-aid reference is. Now go back to your hole, the dirt misses you.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: conjur
Do you have anything to add to this thread, Condor, or are you just going to troll?

Just pitching darts. Add to a lib thread. That would be rather useless, wouldn't it?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Texun
It doesn't matter what the real reason is... terrirosts want to kill you and me. We fight or die, and I would rather see the US fight them over there as much as possible instead of here. We still have the threat but give this some thought: By uprooting Saddamm many insurgents are flowing to Iraq like bugs to a light. It's better to have them moving into Iraq than to have them here. Some are here already but many of their resources are concentrated in the ME.

I see the kool-aid runs deep in this one.

Are you one of the liberal idiots that used the Kool-aid reference without knowing what it meant? That was a great thread - for conservatives!

Sorry, Mr. Jones. I know EXACTLY what the kool-aid reference is. Now go back to your hole, the dirt misses you.

Probably only because we had that wonderfully instructive thread.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: conjur
Do you have anything to add to this thread, Condor, or are you just going to troll?

Just pitching darts. Add to a lib thread. I am rather useless, aren't I?

Yes, you are.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: AntiEverything
Bush really is just a tool, I think he's had it in his mid since before his first term that if he were president, we'd have another Iraq war.

Trying to out-do his daddy.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: conjur
To establish a permanent American military presence in Iraq.
To protect Israel
To rape Iraq's natural resources and insert American companies friendly to this administration into Iraq to make more money (privatizing formerly nationalized industries)


WMDs were just a convenient, yet falsified, excuse.

Jihad also said that the government has no intention to privatise the oil sector, but would remain under state control.

"We will seek foreign investments, that will allow us to develop our industry but without paving the way for foreign monopolies to take over," he said.


Wanna guess which thread that came out of?

Lets disect the rest of your points.

What advantages does having an American presence in Iraq have over say Kuwait, Yemen, UAE, or SA?

And if Saddam was no threat why the need to protect Israel?

You actually trying to reason with a liberal?!

Sigh.

Kuwait, Yemen, UAE and Saudi Arabia are all sovereign nations. When it comes down to it, when we ask them to do something, they can say "no". It's much more advantageous to move in on an unstable country like Iraq and create a puppet state.

What if Saddam was no threat? The war was hardly about removing Saddam from power, it was about establishing a presence in the region. Saddam may not have been a threat, but several of the other countries in the ME are, so we needed an easier way to peer over their shoulders.

And, regarding the first point, I don't know which thread that came out of, so... based on what I'm led to believe from the quote, I'll go with what conjur said earlier, basically, it can be summed up with a couple words from the quote: "he said".

 

[piasabird]

What is the point about justification at this point?

We are in Iraq and most intelligent people would agree with the premise that if we leave earyly we will make things worse than they once were. It is not like Sadam was this great friendly guy who never attacked his neighboring country, or killed any of the kurds with weapons of mass destruction. The man was obviously dangerous and willing to kill anyone who got in his way.

I can't honestly say I was for the War in the beginning or even now. I thought we should have pulled out of Saudia Arabia in the beginning and just had a hands off approach to the whole situation and quitly hunt down those responsible i.e. "The Taliban"!

If you want to prove you are a spoiled child looking for an excuse to hate your political enemies you are doing a good job at it.

 

[bluesartist]

other - to spread democracy to eventually lower terrorism.

 

[bluesartist]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
We went there to steal the oil and we are stealing the oil. It's simple. If I go to Piggly Wiggly to steal the money...I steal the money. If someone wants to stop me.... they get shot (in theory of course). This is simple Robbery 101, just applied on a massive scale.

so either walk to work or quit yer bitching about stealing oil....

 

[raildogg]

Bush has a grand vision for this world. I think he truly wants to spread democracy to other places.

The Republican party has been the one pushing for democratic rule across the globe in our history. I am not a Republican, however.

 

[Duckzilla]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
I still can't see a justification for the thousands of lives lost with the reasons given. :

I'm honestly trying as hard as I can to see the other side here (hence why I made this thread). But are the reasons given really worth a full scale war?

It's not really a full scale war. Do you see B-52's carpet-bombing cities flat? Not a full-scale war.