What was America's most honorable act in its history?

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Nitemare

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Spending most of our tax dollars outside of our borders on various endeavors oftentimes overlooking our own domestic interests in an effort to make the world a better place.
 

BigPoppa

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Every country in the history of the world has it's dark side and light side. Our country is no different. I would argue that the people who actually created this country were the most honorable. They stood up for what they believed in and did something about it. They revolted over a tax of only about 4% (or somewhere around there) on a few select products. Yet, here we are giving more than 1/3 of our total income to our government and we are just sitting here typing on our computers about how it sucks. We are pathetic compared to the people back then.

Its a bit harder for us to obtain military weapons the caliber of the US's. Oh, and our government is on the same land, instead of across the Atlantic Ocean. All that, and the taxes we pay nowadays go to far more things than the taxes paid pre-1776.
 

ndee

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Originally posted by: nick1985
saving the world in world war 2 aint a bad thing.

from who? from the Nazis? The Nazis didn't have any ressources left and the Russian Winter finished them off, although it was a good thing that America helped, it wasn't like THEY saved the world.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: ndee
Originally posted by: nick1985
saving the world in world war 2 aint a bad thing.

from who? from the Nazis? The Nazis didn't have any ressources left and the Russian Winter finished them off, although it was a good thing that America helped, it wasn't like THEY saved the world.

Russia and UK did not stand a chance over the long term against Germany and Japan. Without American supplies and military intervention they would have had to at least negotiate for peace.

The two front war killed Nazi Germany.

 

eigen

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You guys are doing serious drugs if you think the U.S rebuilt Europe out of the kindess of our heart.
I am actually shocked that people thought we did this out of honor.
 

Demon-Xanth

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The US was also fighting a two front war. Remember, Japan hadn't had a single military loss in about 40 years until after they woke us up. A large part of the asian side of the Pacific had already been taken over. The US went from the 13th most powerful military to the most powerful military in a period of about five years.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: eigen
You guys are doing serious drugs if you think the U.S rebuilt Europe out of the kindess of our heart.
I am actually shocked that people thought we did this out of honor.

It was done for many reasons. To defend against the spread of Communism, to make sure things didn't get fvcked up like they did after WWI, and many of the countries were also friendly and we wanted to help.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
The US was also fighting a two front war. Remember, Japan hadn't had a single military loss in about 40 years until after they woke us up. A large part of the asian side of the Pacific had already been taken over. The US went from the 13th most powerful military to the most powerful military in a period of about five years.

The difference is that we had the resources to do it. Japan had built the majority of its empire using resources sold by the U.S. Eventually FDR got tired of giving Japan the means to acquire all of Asia so he cut off the strategic materials.

If the destruction of the U.S. fleet at Pearl would have been complete, things would have turned out differ
ently.
 

DT4K

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Originally posted by: sygyzy
What's funny is most of those are goods done to fix a bad. That' s like saying "daddy's a good man because he stopped beating mommy"

Agreed.
Civil Rights, ending slavery, etc. were honorable acts, but as said, they were corrections for things that should have never existed.

I'd have to say the defeat of Hitler's Germany. The last unarguably noble war.

Edit: not saying we did it alone, but our participation was the deciding factor.
 

dpm

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Originally posted by: eigen
You guys are doing serious drugs if you think the U.S rebuilt Europe out of the kindess of our heart. I am actually shocked that people thought we did this out of honor.

Well, of course it wasn't an action entirely without ulteriour motive, no action is, and that does not make something dishonourable. Perhaps you should be less quick to judge and spend more time thinking. Compare the actions of the US after the second world war to the actions after the first. Similar situations with similar needs, yet two radically different approaches were taken.

The Marshall plan (and the general US strategy in post war Europe) was inspired and far seeing, and an example of a nation actually learning from its mistakes, in a century that had been nearly devoid of that.
 

nan0bug

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Originally posted by: dpm
Originally posted by: eigen
You guys are doing serious drugs if you think the U.S rebuilt Europe out of the kindess of our heart. I am actually shocked that people thought we did this out of honor.

Well, of course it wasn't an action entirely without ulteriour motive, no action is, and that does not make something dishonourable. Perhaps you should be less quick to judge and spend more time thinking. Compare the actions of the US after the second world war to the actions after the first. Similar situations with similar needs, yet two radically different approaches were taken.

The Marshall plan (and the general US strategy in post war Europe) was inspired and far seeing, and an example of a nation actually learning from its mistakes, in a century that had been nearly devoid of that.

Still, the Marshall Plan isn't as honorable as preventing full-scale nuclear war between the United States and USSR, which could have very easily wiped nearly everyone off the planet. I still think Kennedy's handling of the Cuban Missle Crisis trumps the Marhall plan.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: nan0bug
Originally posted by: dpm
Originally posted by: eigen
You guys are doing serious drugs if you think the U.S rebuilt Europe out of the kindess of our heart. I am actually shocked that people thought we did this out of honor.

Well, of course it wasn't an action entirely without ulteriour motive, no action is, and that does not make something dishonourable. Perhaps you should be less quick to judge and spend more time thinking. Compare the actions of the US after the second world war to the actions after the first. Similar situations with similar needs, yet two radically different approaches were taken.

The Marshall plan (and the general US strategy in post war Europe) was inspired and far seeing, and an example of a nation actually learning from its mistakes, in a century that had been nearly devoid of that.

Still, the Marshall Plan isn't as honorable as preventing full-scale nuclear war between the United States and USSR, which could have very easily wiped nearly everyone off the planet.

Both countries managed to skate on the razor's edge of that one. Not all that wise on either side.

 

nan0bug

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: nan0bug
Originally posted by: dpm
Originally posted by: eigen
You guys are doing serious drugs if you think the U.S rebuilt Europe out of the kindess of our heart. I am actually shocked that people thought we did this out of honor.

Well, of course it wasn't an action entirely without ulteriour motive, no action is, and that does not make something dishonourable. Perhaps you should be less quick to judge and spend more time thinking. Compare the actions of the US after the second world war to the actions after the first. Similar situations with similar needs, yet two radically different approaches were taken.

The Marshall plan (and the general US strategy in post war Europe) was inspired and far seeing, and an example of a nation actually learning from its mistakes, in a century that had been nearly devoid of that.

Still, the Marshall Plan isn't as honorable as preventing full-scale nuclear war between the United States and USSR, which could have very easily wiped nearly everyone off the planet.

Both countries managed to skate on the razor's edge of that one. Not all that wise on either side.

We both came close, yes, but that does not make standing down at the end any less honorable. In fact, I'd say it makes it that much more honorable.
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: eigen
You guys are doing serious drugs if you think the U.S rebuilt Europe out of the kindess of our heart.
I am actually shocked that people thought we did this out of honor.

Everything is done for an ulterior motive.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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The United States has never done anything honorable in it's entire history.
Everything this country does is short sighted and self serving. Those that can should
leave and the rest commit mass suicide. We are a shameful, pathetic bunch of sods.
:D
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: nan0bug
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: nan0bug
Originally posted by: dpm
Originally posted by: eigen
You guys are doing serious drugs if you think the U.S rebuilt Europe out of the kindess of our heart. I am actually shocked that people thought we did this out of honor.

Well, of course it wasn't an action entirely without ulteriour motive, no action is, and that does not make something dishonourable. Perhaps you should be less quick to judge and spend more time thinking. Compare the actions of the US after the second world war to the actions after the first. Similar situations with similar needs, yet two radically different approaches were taken.

The Marshall plan (and the general US strategy in post war Europe) was inspired and far seeing, and an example of a nation actually learning from its mistakes, in a century that had been nearly devoid of that.

Still, the Marshall Plan isn't as honorable as preventing full-scale nuclear war between the United States and USSR, which could have very easily wiped nearly everyone off the planet.

Both countries managed to skate on the razor's edge of that one. Not all that wise on either side.

We both came close, yes, but that does not make standing down at the end any less honorable. In fact, I'd say it makes it that much more honorable.

I do see you point and would agree that it was honorable.

However, the leaders should never have let the situation get so out of hand. That takes it down a notch or two for me. Purely my opinion.