What was America's most honorable act in its history?

[ndee]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: nick1985
saving the world in world war 2 aint a bad thing.

from who? from the Nazis? The Nazis didn't have any ressources left and the Russian Winter finished them off, although it was a good thing that America helped, it wasn't like THEY saved the world.

Russia and UK did not stand a chance over the long term against Germany and Japan. Without American supplies and military intervention they would have had to at least negotiate for peace.

The two front war killed Nazi Germany.

The Russian Winter knocked the Nazis off and their lack of supply. And yes, the two front war killed Nazi Germany because they didn't have enough resources to fight at two fronts.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: galvanizedyankee
The United States has never done anything honorable in it's entire history.
Everything this country does is short sighted and self serving. Those that can should
leave and the rest commit mass suicide. We are a shameful, pathetic bunch of sods.
😀

You'd be surprised at how many people in P&N seem to seriously hold this view.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: nick1985
saving the world in world war 2 aint a bad thing.

from who? from the Nazis? The Nazis didn't have any ressources left and the Russian Winter finished them off, although it was a good thing that America helped, it wasn't like THEY saved the world.

Russia and UK did not stand a chance over the long term against Germany and Japan. Without American supplies and military intervention they would have had to at least negotiate for peace.

The two front war killed Nazi Germany.

The Russian Winter knocked the Nazis off and their lack of supply. And yes, the two front war killed Nazi Germany because they didn't have enough resources to fight at two fronts.

Actually what crushed the German supplies were the daylight industrial bombing raids restarted by the U.S. (British started w/ daylight raids but stuck to nighttime because of horrendous losses).

 

[toant103]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
All those you mentioned are good but you left out the Marshall Plan.

if it's not the for marschall pla, Europe would be a third world countries.

 

[cressida]

Originally posted by: toant103

Originally posted by: Feldenak
All those you mentioned are good but you left out the Marshall Plan.

if it's not the for marschall pla, Europe would be a third world countries.

hey : )

 

[CanOWorms]

Some people say that the US's forcing of companies to cheaply license out key semiconductor patents in the early days (to domestic and international companies) had a greater economic impact on the world than the Marshall Plan. So I'll put that down for some variety 🙂

 

[robh23]

when they stopped advertising "corn dogs" on our tv (UK) I was quite pleased :beer:

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: nick1985
saving the world in world war 2 aint a bad thing.

from who? from the Nazis? The Nazis didn't have any ressources left and the Russian Winter finished them off, although it was a good thing that America helped, it wasn't like THEY saved the world.

Russia and UK did not stand a chance over the long term against Germany and Japan. Without American supplies and military intervention they would have had to at least negotiate for peace.

The two front war killed Nazi Germany.

The Russian Winter knocked the Nazis off and their lack of supply. And yes, the two front war killed Nazi Germany because they didn't have enough resources to fight at two fronts.

Actually what crushed the German supplies were the daylight industrial bombing raids restarted by the U.S. (British started w/ daylight raids but stuck to nighttime because of horrendous losses).

Hitler screwed up by going to war too soon. With only two more years preperation he would have won.
Combine that with the opening of the Russian front in June of 41 and ill timed entry of the U.S. into the war in December, and Germany was screwed.

Thank god Hitler was not a very good general.

 

[ADT]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: nick1985
saving the world in world war 2 aint a bad thing.

from who? from the Nazis? The Nazis didn't have any ressources left and the Russian Winter finished them off, although it was a good thing that America helped, it wasn't like THEY saved the world.

Russia and UK did not stand a chance over the long term against Germany and Japan. Without American supplies and military intervention they would have had to at least negotiate for peace.

The two front war killed Nazi Germany.

The Russian Winter knocked the Nazis off and their lack of supply. And yes, the two front war killed Nazi Germany because they didn't have enough resources to fight at two fronts.

Actually what crushed the German supplies were the daylight industrial bombing raids restarted by the U.S. (British started w/ daylight raids but stuck to nighttime because of horrendous losses).

Hitler screwed up by going to war too soon. With only two more years preperation he would have won.
Combine that with the opening of the Russian front in June of 41 and ill timed entry of the U.S. into the war in December, and Germany was screwed.

Thank god Hitler was not a very good general.

 

[LongCoolMother]

its role in WWII. although i dont think they willingly joined the war out of the kindness of their heart, they did fight with dignity and purpose after they were dragged in defending themselves. and thats why americans were honorable, especially with op. overlord and the a-bombs.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: nick1985
saving the world in world war 2 aint a bad thing.

from who? from the Nazis? The Nazis didn't have any ressources left and the Russian Winter finished them off, although it was a good thing that America helped, it wasn't like THEY saved the world.

Russia and UK did not stand a chance over the long term against Germany and Japan. Without American supplies and military intervention they would have had to at least negotiate for peace.

The two front war killed Nazi Germany.

The Russian Winter knocked the Nazis off and their lack of supply. And yes, the two front war killed Nazi Germany because they didn't have enough resources to fight at two fronts.

Actually what crushed the German supplies were the daylight industrial bombing raids restarted by the U.S. (British started w/ daylight raids but stuck to nighttime because of horrendous losses).

not entirely true,

German industrial production went up just until the last months of the war, they had difficulties getting the gear to the front
the german moral was also never broken by the bombing campaign


the Russians pretty much kicked serious ass, it would have been a lot more difficult for the allies (USA, Canada, GB) if the eastern front would not have existed

some of the best panzerdivisions were on the eastern front

 

[MAME]

When we helped steal the Panama Canal!

oh, I thought you said "dishonorable"

 

[Haps]

Well a bet question is what is America's most selfless act in history. While some of those mentioned may seem honorable it loses some lustre when you know the reasons behind it were whatever was best for the US.

 

[MillionaireNextDoor]

Originally posted by: Haps
Well a bet question is what is America's most selfless act in history. While some of those mentioned may seem honorable it loses some lustre when you know the reasons behind it were whatever was best for the US.

Exploration of Mars for world scientific interests?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Haps
Well a bet question is what is America's most selfless act in history. While some of those mentioned may seem honorable it loses some lustre when you know the reasons behind it were whatever was best for the US.

Almost no action done by a country is done just for honor or to be nice.

 

[Tom]

what are the honorable sh|t other countries did ?

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: MAME
When we helped steal the Panama Canal!

oh, I thought you said "dishonorable"

Steal? The U.S. built it on its own, and signed a contract for rights over it thereafter. It's not like they sent in the army to seize it after Panama built it themselves. Read some history.

For my contribution, I say the most honourable act was the formation of the country and its stand against the British to establish independence. Self-interest can be found in everything, but that was the most pure act of standing up for idea of freedom from my perspective.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: nick1985
saving the world in world war 2 aint a bad thing.

from who? from the Nazis? The Nazis didn't have any ressources left and the Russian Winter finished them off, although it was a good thing that America helped, it wasn't like THEY saved the world.

yeah, its not like russia's military wasnt heavily reliant on american supplies or anything....

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: K1052

Hitler screwed up by going to war too soon. With only two more years preperation he would have won.
Combine that with the opening of the Russian front in June of 41 and ill timed entry of the U.S. into the war in December, and Germany was screwed.

Thank god Hitler was not a very good general.

No, he wouldn't have won. He simply didn't have a big enough country with a large enough population to defeat the combination of the U.S., U.K., Russia, etc.

Besides, even if he had the advantage, we would have just dropped a nuke on Berlin.

 

[MaxFusion16]

Define good, it's so subjective depending on the perspective.
remember, history is written by the victors

 

[MaxFusion16]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: K1052

Hitler screwed up by going to war too soon. With only two more years preperation he would have won.
Combine that with the opening of the Russian front in June of 41 and ill timed entry of the U.S. into the war in December, and Germany was screwed.

Thank god Hitler was not a very good general.

No, he wouldn't have won. He simply didn't have a big enough country with a large enough population to defeat the combination of the U.S., U.K., Russia, etc.

Besides, even if he had the advantage, we would have just dropped a nuke on Berlin.

perhaps true, however, if his original plan of russian invasion wasn't delayed several month, he would've successfully taken russia instead of defeat by general russian winter. And with russia taken, he would've secured valuable resources and strategic importance. The allied forces would have had almost no chance.
The atom bomb was developed at the end of the war, the germans had a similar program and if not for the allied bombing, they would've succeeded, not to mention the v2 rocket, jet fighter, and bomber.