What type of handgun ammo to stockpile?

[x-alki]

why would you need more than 1000 ammo?

Why don't you need more than a 1000?

And go away.

 

[7window]

Why don't you need more than a 1000?

And go away.

bang

 

[phucheneh]

I use the tip of my finger. I actually have small hands but my wrists are really messes up. Carpal and tendinitis make it hard for me to get my hands and wrists to cooperate.

I believe I was thinking on the right track here, but it took picking something up and pulling the trigger a few times to realize I had it backwards-

Long fingers on a gun with a short reach = 'pulling' to the right. Which means it is indeed shorter fingers and excessive reach that want to 'push' to the left (for right hand shooters). Do you do notably better with guns with a good SA over DAO or strikers with long triggers?

Also, do you shoot weaver or iso?

Just curious. In the end, I'm big fan of 'do what works.' I've read up on tips for accurate competition shooting, watched some of the vids, ect...but I also come back to the same old stance and grip. Doesn't even make much sense, as an in-line grip is uncomfortable for me and I'm cross-eye dominant...yet I hate iso and will only use a fairly traditional weaver.

If you've got physical issues that are being exacerbated by shooting, though, I would definitely try and stick to the method that is the least aggravating, even if it takes some practice to change old habits.

 

[rudeguy]

why would you need more than 1000 ammo?

I live in a city with 750,000 people in the metro area.

Lets say the infection starts with one person getting off a plane. That person could infect probably 250 people within the first hour, just at the airport alone.

Within a 5 mile radius of the airport are tons of businesses. I'd estimate probably another 5000 people could be infected in the ensuing 3 hours.

2 miles north of the airport is one of the major streets in town. There are shopping malls, dozens of restaurants, shops and stores. Easily another 7500 people could be infecting in just a few hours.

If the zombie horde continues heading north, they will hit the main population center. This is the crowded city housing, so probably 50,000 people in 4 hours.

Now its 12 hours in and 65,000 zombies are already on the loose. Assuming they radiate in equal parts in equal directions, that would mean that I had roughly 10,000-15,000 zombies headed in my direction. More if they smell something but I don't know if they can smell.

So 1000 rounds really isn't that much when you do the math.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I use the tip of my finger. I actually have small hands but my wrists are really messes up. Carpal and tendinitis make it hard for me to get my hands and wrists to cooperate.

Get a wrist exerciser. Will give you the strength needed;
then also use a small dumbbell slightly heavier than the weapon; holding it out to the side.

When I did competition in HS for our local gun club; my father had me use these concepts whenever not actually needing my hands. In the car/bus; listening to radio; reading, etc. (No TV).

Ended up that my right wrist was bigger than my left by a little and I could easily hold the weapon in one hand steady as a rock.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I live in a city with 750,000 people in the metro area.

Lets say the infection starts with one person getting off a plane. That person could infect probably 250 people within the first hour, just at the airport alone.

Within a 5 mile radius of the airport are tons of businesses. I'd estimate probably another 5000 people could be infected in the ensuing 3 hours.

2 miles north of the airport is one of the major streets in town. There are shopping malls, dozens of restaurants, shops and stores. Easily another 7500 people could be infecting in just a few hours.

If the zombie horde continues heading north, they will hit the main population center. This is the crowded city housing, so probably 50,000 people in 4 hours.

Now its 12 hours in and 65,000 zombies are already on the loose. Assuming they radiate in equal parts in equal directions, that would mean that I had roughly 10,000-15,000 zombies headed in my direction. More if they smell something but I don't know if they can smell.

So 1000 rounds really isn't that much when you do the math.

You have the interstates circling the city. The airport is inside the loop. Just get outside and you will be safe; Zombies will attempt to cross the highways.
Car vs Zombie - car wins.

 

[rudeguy]

I believe I was thinking on the right track here, but it took picking something up and pulling the trigger a few times to realize I had it backwards-

Long fingers on a gun with a short reach = 'pulling' to the right. Which means it is indeed shorter fingers and excessive reach that want to 'push' to the left (for right hand shooters). Do you do notably better with guns with a good SA over DAO or strikers with long triggers?


Also, do you shoot weaver or iso?

Just curious. In the end, I'm big fan of 'do what works.' I've read up on tips for accurate competition shooting, watched some of the vids, ect...but I also come back to the same old stance and grip. Doesn't even make much sense, as an in-line grip is uncomfortable for me and I'm cross-eye dominant...yet I hate iso and will only use a fairly traditional weaver.

If you've got physical issues that are being exacerbated by shooting, though, I would definitely try and stick to the method that is the least aggravating, even if it takes some practice to change old habits.

I fail horribly with long triggers.I tried a shot without the hammer pulled back on my 226 and was way off the mark. But on that one I know I was anticipating the recoil since I had no idea where the break was. The shot right between the zombie's eyes was a first shot with the hammer pulled back. I still hit him in the face afterwards, but with my 9mm I would have grouped them a lot tighter.

I don't know what weaver or ISO are

My physical problems I can deal with. I mean I solder, screw, drill, all kinds of harsh stuff at work. Its just training my hands to listen.

 

[7window]

I live in a city with 750,000 people in the metro area.

Lets say the infection starts with one person getting off a plane. That person could infect probably 250 people within the first hour, just at the airport alone.

Within a 5 mile radius of the airport are tons of businesses. I'd estimate probably another 5000 people could be infected in the ensuing 3 hours.

2 miles north of the airport is one of the major streets in town. There are shopping malls, dozens of restaurants, shops and stores. Easily another 7500 people could be infecting in just a few hours.

If the zombie horde continues heading north, they will hit the main population center. This is the crowded city housing, so probably 50,000 people in 4 hours.

Now its 12 hours in and 65,000 zombies are already on the loose. Assuming they radiate in equal parts in equal directions, that would mean that I had roughly 10,000-15,000 zombies headed in my direction. More if they smell something but I don't know if they can smell.

So 1000 rounds really isn't that much when you do the math.

In this case you need a rocket launcher.

 

[DrPizza]

Duh, in case of a zombie attack, and needing to fend off a couple thousand zombies, you really need to diversify. Get a rifle. Then you don't have to wait 10 minutes for the zombies to go from rifle range to handgun range - that'll give you time to take a lunch break every now and then. The ability to hit a moving silver dollar moving at walking pace 200 or more yards away is pretty nice.

 

[phucheneh]

I fail horribly with long triggers.I tried a shot without the hammer pulled back on my 226 and was way off the mark. But on that one I know I was anticipating the recoil since I had no idea where the break was. The shot right between the zombie's eyes was a first shot with the hammer pulled back. I still hit him in the face afterwards, but with my 9mm I would have grouped them a lot tighter.

I don't know what weaver or ISO are

My physical problems I can deal with. I mean I solder, screw, drill, all kinds of harsh stuff at work. Its just training my hands to listen.

Here's the first decent article I turned up for a 'weaver versus isosceles' goole search-
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/training-tactics/find-your-optimum-shooting-stance/

It would appear that all competition shooters now use the iso stance. For defense, I think weaver makes a lot more sense. More natural and easier to manipulate to suit the situation. I think most people end up in a 'hybrid,' though.

The above link does a decent job of explaining the differences without really trying to claim one as superior. I think the inline/offset grip thing is one of the more overlooked aspects.

 

[phucheneh]

Also, didn't you say in the other thread that you were looking for .40 ammo? If you have wrist problems, DEAR GOD WHY?

[flamesuit] .40 is the most dumbshit worthless rounds in existence. All the real-world performance of 9mm with more kick than a .45...fucking WHY? The only people I see shooting it at ranges are assholes who just want to make the most noise. Usually, they have a CCW and a Glock. And a range membership, which they use for 10 minute range sessions with the target at 2-3m. Uggghhh.

[/flamesuit]

Friends don't let friends shoot .40.

 

[rudeguy]

Here's the first decent article I turned up for a 'weaver versus isosceles' goole search-
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/training-tactics/find-your-optimum-shooting-stance/

It would appear that all competition shooters now use the iso stance. For defense, I think weaver makes a lot more sense. More natural and easier to manipulate to suit the situation. I think most people end up in a 'hybrid,' though.

The above link does a decent job of explaining the differences without really trying to claim one as superior. I think the inline/offset grip thing is one of the more overlooked aspects.

Ohh...I never knew the proper term. I'm a Weaver. Comes from learning to shoot on shutguns. My body is usually at a 45 degree angle to the target.

My grip is thumbs down but I'm thinking if I can straighten them out, that will help a lot. Its minor stuff but to me it makes a big difference. I like nice tight groups.

Edit:
I weirdly don't have a dominant eye. Growing up I was very left eye dominant but had to learn to shoot with my right eye. So now either eye is fine, my brain doesn't prefer one or the other.

 

[olds]

why would you need more than 1000 ammo?

Why do you need more than $1?

 

[olds]

Get a wrist exerciser. Will give you the strength needed;
then also use a small dumbbell slightly heavier than the weapon; holding it out to the side.

When I did competition in HS for our local gun club; my father had me use these concepts whenever not actually needing my hands. In the car/bus; listening to radio; reading, etc. (No TV).

Ended up that my right wrist was bigger than my left by a little and I could easily hold the weapon in one hand steady as a rock.

He's single. I imagine his wrist gets plenty of exercise.

 

[rudeguy]

Also, didn't you say in the other thread that you were looking for .40 ammo? If you have wrist problems, DEAR GOD WHY?

[flamesuit] .40 is the most dumbshit worthless rounds in existence. All the real-world performance of 9mm with more kick than a .45...fucking WHY? The only people I see shooting it at ranges are assholes who just want to make the most noise. Usually, they have a CCW and a Glock. And a range membership, which they use for 10 minute range sessions with the target at 2-3m. Uggghhh.

[/flamesuit]

Friends don't let friends shoot .40.

Good question and I did answer it in that thread.

I was looking for a 226 in 9mm and was ready to buy when I found a used one in great shape for $500. Long story short is I got a P226 with almost no rounds through it with night sights for $500 but it's .40. Not what I wanted but it was half the price of any 9mm I could find.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

My brother came down for the holiday and was bugging the shit out of me to keep a gun loaded in the house. He brought down some 380 ammo, but it was the wrong stuff. Took it to a gun shop yesterday and got the right ones. 32 caliber, hollow points.

The gun has been in the family for a while, the people at the gun shop just kept coming over and looking at it, each one just thought it was very cool. Its made in Spain and has some solid gold with engraving done, they said it could be worth $1500-$1800, way more than I thought.

 

[alkemyst]

you stockpile ammo that fits your weapon........duh....hehehee

HERP DERP!

OP, you going through some mid-life crisis? Shaved head, tattoos, carrying a gun, wanting more....

If the end of world hits something more akin to a CQB rifle will be your go-to weapon. You shouldn't be using your sidearm so much.

I'd recommended a suppressor as well.

That AR15 for like $600 in hot deals is a steal. .223 is a bit light for my tastes, but you can upgrade to .308 or something nicer I believe.

 

[alkemyst]

Why would anyone stockpile FMJ? Unless you expect the apocalypse to consist of zombies made of paper or steel.

I'd somehow expect an end of world scenario to have some wearing body armor more than likely make-shift.

 

[Carson Dyle]

[flamesuit] .40 is the most dumbshit worthless rounds in existence. All the real-world performance of 9mm with more kick than a .45...fucking WHY? The only people I see shooting it at ranges are assholes who just want to make the most noise. Usually, they have a CCW and a Glock. And a range membership, which they use for 10 minute range sessions with the target at 2-3m. Uggghhh.[/flamesuit]

Friends don't let friends shoot .40.

Maybe the singular most clueless gun-related post that I've ever read.

 

[CurseTheSky]

My brother came down for the holiday and was bugging the shit out of me to keep a gun loaded in the house. He brought down some 380 ammo, but it was the wrong stuff. Took it to a gun shop yesterday and got the right ones. 32 caliber, hollow points.

The gun has been in the family for a while, the people at the gun shop just kept coming over and looking at it, each one just thought it was very cool. Its made in Spain and has some solid gold with engraving done, they said it could be worth $1500-$1800, way more than I thought.

I did a little research. Here's what I found:

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f15/bufalo-6190/

Gabilondo Bufalo 7.65 MM caliber pistol. Produced in Spain from 1919-1925 by the company that would later become Llama. It is a FN 1910 copy.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/-32-Pistols.cfm?cat_id=156&start_row=51 (near the bottom)

 

[phucheneh]

That's a 1910.

Looking further into it right now...if it's Colt, it should have Connecticut stampings, one would think?

I dunno what's up with those medallions on the grip...is that an Indian on them?

Certainly unique and definitely could be valuable. But I'm wondering if it's not a reproduction. Italian repops of American guns are super-common. Dunno about Spanish.

edit: beaten

 

[WaTaGuMp]

I did a little research. Here's what I found:

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f15/bufalo-6190/

Gabilondo Bufalo 7.65 MM caliber pistol. Produced in Spain from 1919-1925 by the company that would later become Llama. It is a FN 1910 copy.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/-32-Pistols.cfm?cat_id=156&start_row=51 (near the bottom)

Nice work, thank you. If you find more please post away. I guess its not old enough to pretend to sell it on Pawn Stars.

 

[phucheneh]

Maybe the singular most clueless gun-related post that I've ever read.

Maybe if you're under the impression that I'm saying .40 is not a powerful round.

I just said that for all practical purposes...it has no reason to exist. I'm sure you would argue with silly gel tests or maybe just raw, meaningless numbers. Any way you slice it:

In a human target, it is not going to have (LOL) 'stopping power' (LOL) that is notably different from that of a 9mm. .45ACP, OTOH, I do see as generating more significant wounds...and it does not have the recoil, nor the deafening report of .40.

Ohh...I never knew the proper term. I'm a Weaver. Comes from learning to shoot on shutguns. My body is usually at a 45 degree angle to the target.

My grip is thumbs down but I'm thinking if I can straighten them out, that will help a lot. Its minor stuff but to me it makes a big difference. I like nice tight groups.

Edit:
I weirdly don't have a dominant eye. Growing up I was very left eye dominant but had to learn to shoot with my right eye. So now either eye is fine, my brain doesn't prefer one or the other.

You sure about the eye thing?

A test: hold your arms out in front of you, and make a big triangular shape with your thumbs and index fingers. Find a target across the room, and get it lined up inside this triangle. Close one eye and see what happens. Repeat with other eye.

You will likely find that you do have a dominant eye- for me, when I close my left eye, I get a much more drastic shift in the location of the object I'm looking at relative to my hands.

Here's an illustration of what I'm talking about with your hands:
http://www.topendsports.com/testing/tests/eye-dominance.htm

 

[rudeguy]

Maybe if you're under the impression that I'm saying .40 is not a powerful round.

I just said that for all practical purposes...it has no reason to exist. I'm sure you would argue with silly gel tests or maybe just raw, meaningless numbers. Any way you slice it:

In a human target, it is not going to have (LOL) 'stopping power' (LOL) that is notably different from that of a 9mm. .45ACP, OTOH, I do see as generating more significant wounds...and it does not have the recoil, nor the deafening report of .40.



You sure about the eye thing?

A test: hold your arms out in front of you, and make a big triangular shape with your thumbs and index fingers. Find a target across the room, and get it lined up inside this triangle. Close one eye and see what happens. Repeat with other eye.

You will likely find that you do have a dominant eye- for me, when I close my left eye, I get a much more drastic shift in the location of the object I'm looking at relative to my hands.

Here's an illustration of what I'm talking about with your hands:
http://www.topendsports.com/testing/tests/eye-dominance.htm

Nope. Both inside.

Its something I put a ton of work into. I couldn't graduate from a bb gun to a shotgun until I corrected it. I basically closed my left eye while walking, riding my bike, at school...I really had to work because my left eye was so dominant. Fun fact: I also couldn't only close one eye before this either. So I had to learn that first, then how to only see out of my non dominant eye.

Now I have zero preference other than I am right handed so its normally still my right eye open.

 

[Doppel]

I have decided it is time to stockpile ammo. I have done some pretty serious research and I have determined that a zombie outbreak is imminent. I'm not talking zombie strippers... I'm talking Dawn of the Dead type zombies.

I don't like rifles. I don't own any and don't plan on buying any. So we are only talking handgun ammo. Hollow points would do more damage but they are more expensive. Since only head shots will kill zombies, is the added expense necessary? If I can get 1000 rounds of FMJ for the price of 400 JHPs, is the quantity better than the quality?

Besides the type, what volume would be a safe level? I'm thinking 1000 rounds minimum but that is a lot of weight. Should I plan on being mobile or static? If static, weight wouldn't be an issue but then what if I have to bug out?

Any help is appreciated.

I thought it was known that buckshot is the best ammunition for zombies.