What to do about the Wars ?

[GarfieldtheCat]

First of all, I don't want to attack them. On the other hand, I don't think 40k Americans died so S Korean youth can sit on their asses playing SC2 or beating up figure skaters. I'm not convinced that waiting is working. There might need to be some sacrifice to make the world safer.

You want to arm their rebels, "like Libya". BTW, what rebels are there in NK? That would start a war.

Secondly, I asked for byproducts of waiting. People not dying in a war isn't a byproduct, it's a direct result of not having a war.

Given you advocate actions that would start one, I think they are relevant. I'm sure the millions in Seoul would agree with me. SK doesn't have a problem waiting. They aren't itching to start a war like you. Hmmm, wonder why?

Thirdly, I asked for discussion and alternatives, I haven't seen any ? Not that I think that means my proposal is sound, but I'd like to think people can expound on why waiting has some merit, apart from being better than my plan, other than being the easiest thing to do ?

Not much discussion. You admit you don't know what you are talking about, you admit you haven't thought about it, so what is there to discuss? Your crazy fantasies?

Most rational, logical people have looked at this, and realized the safest/best course of action is to just ignore them. Multiple people have told you this, but you ignore it.

Oh, and you are pretty easy with the "make sacrifices" to remove a two bit dictator. Guess you don't care about most of South Korea getting wiped and millions dead just so you feel better about removing Kim. I would think those that actually have to fight (or die) are a bit more circumspect in when military action is needed. Typical chickenhawk behavior on your part. Pathetic.

Anyway, I think we are all done, you won't accept what we have told you, so there isn't much to talk about, other then your ignorance. Enjoy.

 

[Darwin333]

1. GTFO of the wars we are currently in.

2. Unless directly attacked, stop getting into new fucking wars.

3....

4. profit

 

[gevorg]

The more wars/invasions US gets into, the more enemies it gets. Most Americans easily forget/careless about the recent wars the US been into, but the people devastated in those countries will remember it for many decades to come.

 

[JSt0rm]

North Korea- that's how I'd deal with crazy, get crazy on them. IMO that dude like his porn too much to be willing to go up in a mushroom cloud, so I doubt nukes are going to be used.

Lets air drop tom into north Korea with a knife and let him get crazy

 

[Tom]

You want to arm their rebels, "like Libya". BTW, what rebels are there in NK? That would start a war.



Given you advocate actions that would start one, I think they are relevant. I'm sure the millions in Seoul would agree with me. SK doesn't have a problem waiting. They aren't itching to start a war like you. Hmmm, wonder why?



Not much discussion. You admit you don't know what you are talking about, you admit you haven't thought about it, so what is there to discuss? Your crazy fantasies?

Most rational, logical people have looked at this, and realized the safest/best course of action is to just ignore them. Multiple people have told you this, but you ignore it.

Oh, and you are pretty easy with the "make sacrifices" to remove a two bit dictator. Guess you don't care about most of South Korea getting wiped and millions dead just so you feel better about removing Kim. I would think those that actually have to fight (or die) are a bit more circumspect in when military action is needed. Typical chickenhawk behavior on your part. Pathetic.

Anyway, I think we are all done, you won't accept what we have told you, so there isn't much to talk about, other then your ignorance. Enjoy.

I havent ignored the responses.
I said do what we've done in Libya, that doesn't include arming rebels.
I don't disagree with doing nothing, I'd like to here somebody explain why the "best" option is also the easiest.
I want what's best for Korea. I don't see how letting N Korea get better nukes and better missiles is what's best, so far nobody's explained what's going to stop that from happening.

 

[wuliheron]

I havent ignored the responses.
I said do what we've done in Libya, that doesn't include arming rebels.
I don't disagree with doing nothing, I'd like to here somebody explain why the "best" option is also the easiest.
I want what's best for Korea. I don't see how letting N Korea get better nukes and better missiles is what's best, so far nobody's explained what's going to stop that from happening.

North Korea is China's kissing cousin guarding their back door. If you don't like them having nukes tough shit. The only way China would let us get away with doing anything other then economic sanctions is if they're stupid enough to start a war. So unless you're prepared to go to war with China you're just gonna have to live with them having the bomb.

 

[Tom]

North Korea is China's kissing cousin guarding their back door. If you don't like them having nukes tough shit. The only way China would let us get away with doing anything other then economic sanctions is if they're stupid enough to start a war. So unless you're prepared to go to war with China you're just gonna have to live with them having the bomb.

I agree. One of my points is the current situation is better for China than anyone. Not that China's our enemy, but I think of Korea as an ally.

I know what I've posted won't work, but I guess I don't think it's fair for the world to think what's happening to half the Korean people is ok.

I don't know if S Koreans care about N Koreans, like in the way the N Vietnamese cared about reuniting all of Vietnam.

Do S Koreans think of N Korea as part of their country ? Are they ok with China keeping the country divided ?

 

[wuliheron]

Neither north or south Korea likes the situation and it is both China AND the US keeping them divided.

 

[Darwin333]

I havent ignored the responses.
I said do what we've done in Libya, that doesn't include arming rebels.
I don't disagree with doing nothing, I'd like to here somebody explain why the "best" option is also the easiest.
I want what's best for Korea. I don't see how letting N Korea get better nukes and better missiles is what's best, so far nobody's explained what's going to stop that from happening.

I don't mind helping allies but at the end of the day I want whats best for the United States. Getting 10 thousand or so of our troops killed and entering another loooong war that will be much more brutal and much more expensive then the ones we are currently in is not in our best interests, imho.

Hell, how could anyone say we could even afford that kind of war right now unless it is absolutely necessary (as in the threat of enemy tanks on Pennsylvania Avenue).

 

[Schadenfroh]

Neither north or south Korea likes the situation and it is both China AND the US keeping them divided.

China is urging North Korea shell South Korean towns and sink ships in South Korean waters? South Korea and China are growing closer economically, North Korea is a political thorn in the side of both. Personally, I think China would like North Korea to be absorbed by South Korea and America withdraw from the peninsula. That would be a win / win for everyone but the inner-circle of the ruling party of North Korea. China and Korea have the political thorn removed, Korean families get reunited, North Koreans become free and America can save some cash by pulling out of Korea. But, there is no way for China to accomplish this and save face (after historically being an ally of the north), for now.

 

[Nebor]

Iraq is done. We won. We'll be down to a permanent presence of less than 20k troops serving in advising roles by December. Mission Accomplished.

Afghanistan is hopeless. We need to GTFO. Continue air strikes, cruise missiles and special operations as needed, but we absolutely can't fix their society. Along those lines, it would be foolish to import members of their backwards society into the US.

Libya isn't relevant to US interests. We need to GTFO.

North Korea will take care of itself in due time. Most people have no idea what's actually involved in a war with NK, but let me tell you, it wouldn't be pretty. Massive civilian casualties. Massive ROK military casualties. Substantial US military casualties. The destruction of the SK economy. No one wants a war on the Korean Peninsula. No one has anything to gain from it.

 

[Tom]

Thanks everyone for your contributions. I dont mean to overlook some other posts that are great, but I want to thank you FERN for taking the time to make some excellent points in those couple of long posts. Defintely a lot of insight from you and a number of others.

 

[wuliheron]

China is urging North Korea shell South Korean towns and sink ships in South Korean waters? South Korea and China are growing closer economically, North Korea is a political thorn in the side of both. Personally, I think China would like North Korea to be absorbed by South Korea and America withdraw from the peninsula. That would be a win / win for everyone but the inner-circle of the ruling party of North Korea. China and Korea have the political thorn removed, Korean families get reunited, North Koreans become free and America can save some cash by pulling out of Korea. But, there is no way for China to accomplish this and save face (after historically being an ally of the north), for now.

I said they were kissing cousins, not that they were the best of friends. You can pick your nose, you can pick your friend's nose, but you can't pick your relatives. If China doesn't like what North Korea is doing they certainly have the ability to invade the country themselves and put an end to this nonsense. It's just not something they like to contemplate when it comes to family.