what to buy: Lincoln LS vs. Maxima

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Ryan

Lifer
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A 2000 LS with 50k miles on it, 5-speed has a book value of 13k if you buy it from a private party :)
 

toant103

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Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
I am shopping for a three or so year old mid size sedan. I was pretty much set on 1999/2000 Maxima, but then also started considering LS. LS has pretty decent reviews and definitely offers more luxury. Also, used, it is same or even cheaper than Maxima. However, Maxima has better than average reliability, while LS has just average. But I do feel that LS is a better deal for the money.

What do You think?

Lincoln=Ford


that is all
 

PG

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Oct 25, 1999
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Originally posted by: toant103
Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
I am shopping for a three or so year old mid size sedan. I was pretty much set on 1999/2000 Maxima, but then also started considering LS. LS has pretty decent reviews and definitely offers more luxury. Also, used, it is same or even cheaper than Maxima. However, Maxima has better than average reliability, while LS has just average. But I do feel that LS is a better deal for the money.

What do You think?

Lincoln=Ford


that is all
Exactly, Quality is NOT Job 1 at Ford. Go with any other alternative.



 
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Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
what price range are these cars in?


2000 Lincoln LS V6 Sedan 4D
Engine: V6 3.0 Liter
Trans: 5 Speed Manual
Drive: Rear Wheel Drive
Mileage: 49,000
Equipment
Air Conditioning
Power Steering
Power Windows
Power Door Locks
Tilt Wheel
Cruise Control
AM/FM Stereo
Cassette
Dual Front Air Bags
Front Side Air Bags
ABS (4-Wheel)
Leather
Dual Power Seats
Alloy Wheels
Consumer Rated Condition: Good
Private Party Value $12,005

2000 Nissan Maxima GXE Sedan 4D
Engine: V6 3.0 Liter
Trans: 5 Speed Manual
Drive: Front Wheel Drive
Mileage: 50,000
Equipment
Air Conditioning
Power Steering
Power Windows
Power Door Locks
Tilt Wheel
Cruise Control
AM/FM Stereo
Cassette
Dual Front Air Bags
ABS (4-Wheel)
Consumer Rated Condition: Good
Private Party Value $10,325
 
Apr 5, 2000
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Originally posted by: PG
Originally posted by: toant103
Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
I am shopping for a three or so year old mid size sedan. I was pretty much set on 1999/2000 Maxima, but then also started considering LS. LS has pretty decent reviews and definitely offers more luxury. Also, used, it is same or even cheaper than Maxima. However, Maxima has better than average reliability, while LS has just average. But I do feel that LS is a better deal for the money.

What do You think?

Lincoln=Ford


that is all
Exactly, Quality is NOT Job 1 at Ford. Go with any other alternative.

More anti-Ford tools
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xlclutch

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i think its easier, and cheaper to maintain a maxima than LS.
i dont know about LS, but i owned a 96 maxima se b4 ( i had 120,000miles b4 i trade in)
i didnt spend much to maintain my car only the ware and tare. I would do more
reserch to see which car is more reliable, so you wont have to spend much more
money to repair the car down the road.
oh, my vote goes to maxima :)
thats only my 2cents
 

fastz28

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I'm in complete shock here. There are actually more recommendations for a domestic than an import from ATOT? And against Maxima?

Satan must be shopping for a parka now.
 
Jan 8, 2003
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Originally posted by: PG
Originally posted by: toant103
Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
I am shopping for a three or so year old mid size sedan. I was pretty much set on 1999/2000 Maxima, but then also started considering LS. LS has pretty decent reviews and definitely offers more luxury. Also, used, it is same or even cheaper than Maxima. However, Maxima has better than average reliability, while LS has just average. But I do feel that LS is a better deal for the money.

What do You think?

Lincoln=Ford


that is all
Exactly, Quality is NOT Job 1 at Ford. Go with any other alternative.


well, JD Power rates its reliability as average, and Consumer Reports rates its quality as above average in many categories.

Yjere is not a single one with manual transmission on autotrader.com though


 

PG

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Oct 25, 1999
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Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
Originally posted by: PG
Originally posted by: toant103
Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
I am shopping for a three or so year old mid size sedan. I was pretty much set on 1999/2000 Maxima, but then also started considering LS. LS has pretty decent reviews and definitely offers more luxury. Also, used, it is same or even cheaper than Maxima. However, Maxima has better than average reliability, while LS has just average. But I do feel that LS is a better deal for the money.

What do You think?

Lincoln=Ford


that is all
Exactly, Quality is NOT Job 1 at Ford. Go with any other alternative.

More anti-Ford tools
rolleye.gif

Tools? Do your homework!!

Numerous recalls call into question the future of Focus

The 2000 Focus has been recalled 10 times, once more than the 1980 Citation, one of the problem-plagued General Motors X-body cars that highlighted the quality gap between domestic and Japanese auto manufacturers.

More recalls may be yet to come. NHTSA has five open investigations into possible safety defects on the 2000-2002 Focus, though Ford believes the most recent recalls will resolve two of them. A NHTSA spokeswoman said that has not been determined.

Lincoln LS 17" Wheel Safety Recall

According to the recall memo, some of the affected vehicles contain chrome wheels that were not heat treated properly during the manufacturing process. Chrome wheels that are not heat-treated may crack at the wheel hub lug-nut holes and may experience a loss of lug-nut torque or lose the wheel entirely.


Lose the wheel entirely? Nah, doesn't sound like a potential problem to me.
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SuperTool

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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For used cars, I would probably go with the 2000+ Maxima. I would go for the SE model, and not GXE. Try to find one with leather and Bose stereo, and you'll be fine. Also, that year Maxima has the most interior front space than any other mainstream sedan of that year, including Lexus LS and lincoln towncar.
That's impressive for such a sporty car.
 

BooGiMaN

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Originally posted by: PG
Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
Originally posted by: PG
Originally posted by: toant103
Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
I am shopping for a three or so year old mid size sedan. I was pretty much set on 1999/2000 Maxima, but then also started considering LS. LS has pretty decent reviews and definitely offers more luxury. Also, used, it is same or even cheaper than Maxima. However, Maxima has better than average reliability, while LS has just average. But I do feel that LS is a better deal for the money.

What do You think?

Lincoln=Ford


that is all
Exactly, Quality is NOT Job 1 at Ford. Go with any other alternative.

More anti-Ford tools
rolleye.gif

Tools? Do your homework!!

Numerous recalls call into question the future of Focus

The 2000 Focus has been recalled 10 times, once more than the 1980 Citation, one of the problem-plagued General Motors X-body cars that highlighted the quality gap between domestic and Japanese auto manufacturers.

More recalls may be yet to come. NHTSA has five open investigations into possible safety defects on the 2000-2002 Focus, though Ford believes the most recent recalls will resolve two of them. A NHTSA spokeswoman said that has not been determined.

Lincoln LS 17" Wheel Safety Recall

According to the recall memo, some of the affected vehicles contain chrome wheels that were not heat treated properly during the manufacturing process. Chrome wheels that are not heat-treated may crack at the wheel hub lug-nut holes and may experience a loss of lug-nut torque or lose the wheel entirely.


Lose the wheel entirely? Nah, doesn't sound like a potential problem to me.
rolleye.gif

what does a mistake from the company ford buys thier rims from have to do with the entire car...im asssuming ford doesnt manufacture their own rims
 

mAdD INDIAN

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Oct 11, 1999
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I'm don't know much about the reliability or insurance on the Linlcon LS, but I would definately go for that over a Maxima.

This is looking from a purely fun-to-drive and comfort perspective. And yes, the manual tranny is only offerd with the V6, and only on the older models of the LS, not the new ones (since manual tranny option is gone now).

The LS 5-spd V6 is fairly fast, almost as a 5-spd 4th gen Maxima. Also the LS probably handles better and rides better as well.

And luckily for Lincoln depreciation, its probably cheaper to buy used also.

The LS is the easy winner here.

btw, you are complimenting the Maxima by comparing it to the LS. It should be compared to the Taurus.
 

bunker

Lifer
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what does a mistake from the company ford buys thier rims from have to do with the entire car...im asssuming ford doesnt manufacture their own rims
Ford makes their own wheels. Monroe, Michigan stamping plant (now Visteon). I used to work there.

I love how these Ford bashers come in and the one argument they constantly put up is the Focus. Yes, the 2k Focus has problems, doesn't mean the whole line of vehicles does. I've owned (between my wife and I) 7 Fords and have had one issue. My wife drives a '01 Focus right now and had one recall for some bolt that wasn't torqued properly.
 
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Originally posted by: bunker
what does a mistake from the company ford buys thier rims from have to do with the entire car...im asssuming ford doesnt manufacture their own rims
Ford makes their own wheels. Monroe, Michigan stamping plant (now Visteon). I used to work there.

I love how these Ford bashers come in and the one argument they constantly put up is the Focus. Yes, the 2k Focus has problems, doesn't mean the whole line of vehicles does. I've owned (between my wife and I) 7 Fords and have had one issue. My wife drives a '01 Focus right now and had one recall for some bolt that wasn't torqued properly.

Thank you. Like maybe 1/10 Ford bashers have actually owned a Ford. The rest are bandwagon Honda fanbois with nothing else to say
 

PG

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Oct 25, 1999
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Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
Originally posted by: bunker
what does a mistake from the company ford buys thier rims from have to do with the entire car...im asssuming ford doesnt manufacture their own rims
Ford makes their own wheels. Monroe, Michigan stamping plant (now Visteon). I used to work there.

I love how these Ford bashers come in and the one argument they constantly put up is the Focus. Yes, the 2k Focus has problems, doesn't mean the whole line of vehicles does. I've owned (between my wife and I) 7 Fords and have had one issue. My wife drives a '01 Focus right now and had one recall for some bolt that wasn't torqued properly.

Thank you. Like maybe 1/10 Ford bashers have actually owned a Ford. The rest are bandwagon Honda fanbois with nothing else to say

I come from a Ford Family and every vehicle I have owned except one has been a Ford. I drive a Mercury Villager right now, but it's the same mechanically as a Nissan Quest and doesn't have much for Ford parts in it. Before that I had a 1998 Mercury Mystique which naturally had lots of recalls and problems.

Oh, and Bender, that little bolt that wasn't torqued properly can cause separation of the ball joint in the front suspension. It isn't just "some bolt."


 

AmigaMan

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Oct 12, 1999
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Originally posted by: toant103
Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
I am shopping for a three or so year old mid size sedan. I was pretty much set on 1999/2000 Maxima, but then also started considering LS. LS has pretty decent reviews and definitely offers more luxury. Also, used, it is same or even cheaper than Maxima. However, Maxima has better than average reliability, while LS has just average. But I do feel that LS is a better deal for the money.

What do You think?

Lincoln=Ford


that is all

Lincoln=Ford? NO WAY? Someone call out the Obvious-Police....
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LikeLinus

Lifer
Jul 25, 2001
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PG don't be a moron. I can go find you recalls from ALL Manufactures that sound REALLY bad. Do you really want me to start doing that? Cars that catch fire, breaks that can fail. There are all kinds of potential problems from ANY manufacture. When you're building cars that have literally 10's of thousands of components, you expect there to be problems. Especially with a new car.


I can also show you recalls and problems with Intel and AMD. So I guess you can't buy either one of those chips because their makers had problems. Well damn you're screwed aren't you. Time to buy Via!!!
 

bunker

Lifer
Apr 23, 2001
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Oh, and Bender, that little bolt that wasn't torqued properly can cause separation of the ball joint in the front suspension. It isn't just "some bolt."
First off, it's bunker, not Bender. Secondly, it was in the steering column, not the front suspension.

I would stop with the assumptions.
 

BigSmooth

Lifer
Aug 18, 2000
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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Can anyone explain why only the V6 is available with the manual? Shouldn't it be the other way around?
A couple of *possible* reasons I came up with:
1. The same V6 was already offered with a manual in another car, so they were able to bring it over with minimal costs whereas perhaps that V8 had never been mated to a manual before so it would have been more expensive to develop.
2. Their market research simply determined there would not be demand for a manual V8 trim... maybe younger car enthusiasts who wanted a manual would not be able to afford the V8 version.

I don't know for sure, I'm just guessing. It does seem a little strange, though.
 

NutBucket

Lifer
Aug 30, 2000
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My only comment about Fords: The only one my parents have ever owned was a 72 Mustang Fastback that was a complete POS. Granted, its unfair to judge a company by a car they sold 30 years ago but after having that POS they've never bought another Ford product. However, my cousin does own an '00 or so Expedition that hasn't given him any problems. My main reason for not buying a Ford is that they don't have anything that appeals to me. But, you can't deny its fun to poke fun at Ford.

Fvck Over Rebuilt Dodge is my favorite, and I'm not even a Mopar guy in the least!:p