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What The US army does to People who loot

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Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
Originally posted by: Eli
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WTF....

I mean seriously... that's just uncalled for. They may have been stealing, but you can't just go and destroy their belongings like that for punishment.....

Can you imagine how frustrating it would be to be poor, living in a 3rd world country that is occupied... and have your only car thoughtlessly destroyed? Further, your only way to make money(taxi driver)?

Someone needs to give them a new car.
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Someone needs to hit you upside the head with a brick.
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Hopefully it will ricochet and hit SampSon and Ameesh also.

 
Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
Originally posted by: Eli
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WTF....

I mean seriously... that's just uncalled for. They may have been stealing, but you can't just go and destroy their belongings like that for punishment.....

Can you imagine how frustrating it would be to be poor, living in a 3rd world country that is occupied... and have your only car thoughtlessly destroyed? Further, your only way to make money(taxi driver)?

Someone needs to give them a new car.
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Someone needs to hit you upside the head with a brick.
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Why?

Because I have compassion for the victim of an obvious injustice?

If you say so.
 
Um, in certain states in the US, it is legal (and practiced) to permanently impound the vehicle of someone who witnesses a drug sale and does not report it. I don't see how this is really any different/worse.
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right, here in mass if you get caught with over a certain amount of drugs, not even that much they can take your car.

that videos funny as hell

JB
 
Originally posted by: DeathByAnts

Um, in certain states in the US, it is legal (and practiced) to permanently impound the vehicle of someone who witnesses a drug sale and does not report it. I don't see how this is really any different/worse.
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I am unaware of any such laws, and I have been a criminal litigator for five years. The federal law does allow for the seizure of property and vehicles that have been used for drug transport and trafficking, but generally there are no laws against failing to report crimes committed by others, and I would be interested if you could point me to such a law.

The thing is, our nation has laws that allow for civil forfeiture of property for drug traffickers. I personally think they are questionable from a constitutional standpoint, since the constitution generally requires the government to provide due process before taking life, liberty or property, but that's a topic for another day. The point is, there is no such law in Iraq, and these soldiers simply made up what they thought was an appropriate sanction. They are not lawyers or judges, and were basically acting as uniformed vigilantes.

The fact of the matter is that, in this country (which the Army is obviously acting on behalf of), a person would typically get a few month's probation for stealing a few dollars worth of wood. Instead, the Army destroyed what was likely the owner's only valuable property. That's wrong, and sends the worst possible message to the people whose country we went there to liberate.
 
Originally posted by: KGB
Someone needs to hit you upside the head with a brick.

You need to go to an anger management therapy course. Without any REAL hard facts, and assumptions really don't help a situation. They tend to make it worse.
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I agree, we don't know the whole story, but even if the video isn't "complete", there was an obvious point to it, no?

It's just too far. I agree that they shouldn't have been stealing, but that isn't the way the law is supposed to work, hello?

Next time someone gets into a minor fender bender with me, I'm going to take a crowbar to their car. Afterall, they deserve it for running into me.

Is that right? No, of course not. You all know that. Wake up. The only thing actions like that are going to do is promote hate.
 
Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
Originally posted by: Eli
:|

WTF....

I mean seriously... that's just uncalled for. They may have been stealing, but you can't just go and destroy their belongings like that for punishment.....

Can you imagine how frustrating it would be to be poor, living in a 3rd world country that is occupied... and have your only car thoughtlessly destroyed? Further, your only way to make money(taxi driver)?

Someone needs to give them a new car.
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Someone needs to hit you upside the head with a brick.
Click to expand...
Hopefully it will ricochet and hit SampSon and Ameesh also.
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hahaha
 
I am shocked by this video. How do some people find this video funny? All that for stealing wood? Those tankers deserve to be punished.
 
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: KGB
Someone needs to hit you upside the head with a brick.

You need to go to an anger management therapy course. Without any REAL hard facts, and assumptions really don't help a situation. They tend to make it worse.
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I agree, we don't know the whole story, but even if the video isn't "complete", there was an obvious point to it, no?

It's just too far. I agree that they shouldn't have been stealing, but that isn't the way the law is supposed to work, hello?

Next time someone gets into a minor fender bender with me, I'm going to take a crowbar to their car. Afterall, they deserve it for running into me.

Is that right? No, of course not. You all know that. Wake up. The only thing actions like that are going to do is promote hate.
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I'm quite sure most Iraqies want the looting to stop. Stronger tactics may have to used to deter it until the the problem is small enough for the Iraq police force to handle it.
 
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Originally posted by: DeathByAnts

Um, in certain states in the US, it is legal (and practiced) to permanently impound the vehicle of someone who witnesses a drug sale and does not report it. I don't see how this is really any different/worse.
Click to expand...

I am unaware of any such laws, and I have been a criminal litigator for five years. The federal law does allow for the seizure of property and vehicles that have been used for drug transport and trafficking, but generally there are no laws against failing to report crimes committed by others, and I would be interested if you could point me to such a law.

The thing is, our nation has laws that allow for civil forfeiture of property for drug traffickers. I personally think they are questionable from a constitutional standpoint, since the constitution generally requires the government to provide due process before taking life, liberty or property, but that's a topic for another day. The point is, there is no such law in Iraq, and these soldiers simply made up what they thought was an appropriate sanction. They are not lawyers or judges, and were basically acting as uniformed vigilantes.

The fact of the matter is that, in this country (which the Army is obviously acting on behalf of), a person would typically get a few month's probation for stealing a few dollars worth of wood. Instead, the Army destroyed what was likely the owner's only valuable property. That's wrong, and sends the worst possible message to the people whose country we went there to liberate.
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Hear that? That's the sound of an armchair politician getting owned.

nm
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Exactly.

Each one of thoes soldiers should be held responsible for the loss of that mans property as well as compensation for money lost if the quip about being a taxi driver is true.
It's truly sad soldiers would do this. What are we? America the big bad bully? Yea, use that long stick, it gets you so far.

I'm ashamed these soldiers can justify this and then have the balls to tell someone how to live in their culture.
Utterly embarrassing.
 
I'm ashamed these soldiers can justify this and then have the balls to tell someone how to live in their culture.
Utterly embarrassing.
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I'd like to see you sent to Iraq and how well you'd handle it.
 
taxi driver.. livelyhood. kinda far fetched....

but those morons left the freaking wood on the car... i mean COME ON.

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unloading two clips into the car for WHAT REASON?
 
You greasy ass GED graduate motherfugger "thats wutchoo git when yooo loooooot"

I've never seen something so goddamn idiotic as these buffoons.

This briar is paid by the US government and they let them do that?

Destruction is bad period. Destruction of a car, during war time, which could be used for many things, is even more stupid. They could have commandeered it and gave it away or put it to good use. But to waste two 9mm clips, a car, and the fuel for the tank plus the wear and tear on it?

When I grew up, we were taught to value things
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Originally posted by: TallBill
I'm ashamed these soldiers can justify this and then have the balls to tell someone how to live in their culture.
Utterly embarrassing.
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I'd like to see you sent to Iraq and how well you'd handle it.
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I have been deployed to the Middle East, and I know I would not have done anything nearly so stupid, nor would I allow another to do so. The thing is, it would be one thing to have made an error in judgment under the stress of combat, but this was a safe situation in which the soldiers were clearly in control. They were not afraid, they were laughing and having fun.
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
Go read your Bible again, apparently you need a few lessons.
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Assuming that we give a flying fvck about whats in the bible. Apparently I dont need any lessons.
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Heh. 😛 Interesting perspective....😛 And I agree.

But I meant that as a flame, because IIRC Yzzim likes to participate in the religious threads on the Christian side of things.
 
Damn. I can take watching a video of a guy being killed, but to bring people low like that makes me cringe and look away. The dude (taxi driver) brought it upon himself by stealing stuff using "his only livelihood", but we're there to create law and order, not spread MORE bullsh*t vigilante law.

Also it sort of worries me that a bunch of 20 year olds are running around a city freely with a M1A2 tank at their command. 😛
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
I'm ashamed these soldiers can justify this and then have the balls to tell someone how to live in their culture.
Utterly embarrassing.
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I'd like to see you sent to Iraq and how well you'd handle it.
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Don't use some bullsh!t fallacy to get a "point" across.
I'd like to see you put in the shoes of an iraqi like that man, and see how you handle it.


taxi driver.. livelyhood. kinda far fetched....

but those morons left the freaking wood on the car... i mean COME ON.
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Mabey other soldiers destroyed the house or shack they had at one time that they COULD put it in.
Naw, I'm sure every iraqi has a nice 2 story 4 bedroom 2.5 bath colonial with air conditioning and cat5e wired to every power outlet.
rolleye.gif
 
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: TallBill
I'm ashamed these soldiers can justify this and then have the balls to tell someone how to live in their culture.
Utterly embarrassing.
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I'd like to see you sent to Iraq and how well you'd handle it.
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Don't use some bullsh!t fallacy to get a "point" across.
I'd like to see you put in the shoes of an iraqi like that man, and see how you handle it.


taxi driver.. livelyhood. kinda far fetched....

but those morons left the freaking wood on the car... i mean COME ON.
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Mabey other soldiers destroyed the house or shack they had at one time that they COULD put it in.
Naw, I'm sure every iraqi has a nice 2 story 4 bedroom 2.5 bath colonial with air conditioning and cat5e wired to every power outlet.
rolleye.gif
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That's why we are in Iraq, so that the Iraqis can be free and they can afford all those things.
 
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