What The Texas Abortion Ban Does And What It Means For Other States

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sandorski

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pmv said:
Sometimes it seems as if religion ultimately boils down to 'controlling women'. Seems like that is one of the two motivators for religion existing in the first place (the other being coping with our knowledge of our mortality).
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That is a large part of it. Women were Property in the Old Testament/Torah+. I am not sure if that condition was followed during the whole time attributed to the Old Testament era, but many of the impositions placed upon Women were redefined/re-justified. So, Women being Virgins on their Wedding night to ensure Familial Inheritance becomes just "Dirty/Slutty/vaguely Bad". Because Fundamentalists refer to the Bible as "the Word of God" and the Bible promotes these ideas, they also adopt these views of Women.
 
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sandorski said:
That is a large part of it. Women were Property in the Old Testament/Torah+. I am not sure if that condition was followed during the whole time attributed to the Old Testament era, but many of the impositions placed upon Women were redefined/re-justified. So, Women being Virgins on their Wedding night to ensure Familial Inheritance becomes just "Dirty/Slutty/vaguely Bad". Because Fundamentalists refer to the Bible as "the Word of God" and the Bible promotes these ideas, they also adopt these views of Women.
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Abrahamic religions.
 
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HomerJS said:
I'll give you Scott. The rest don't have the power of enforcement and let's keep it that way.

I looked up Scott's position and he says life begins at conception. I would ask Lil Timmy when a woman has a spontaneous abortion who are you going to charge with murder? The woman? God? Who's the defendant?
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I'm pretty sure Clarence Thomas would approve of a law that criminalized abortion and gave jail sentences to women if they got one.
 
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With the new law, it seems birth rates in Texas are going to rise. More American Citizen births means more eligible voters in the future. As we know that majority of teens who can't go for abortion end up in a financial distress. This probably would mean a huge voter shift is going to come in the future, and Texas will not be able to anything about it.

In my honest opinion, the Texas Republicans might actually be waiving the white flag, to show that they are surrendering their chances to win. But before they loose, I think they are trying to turn Texas into what New York City and New York State was in the 70s/80s. Based on what I remember from history class and my own research that I did in the past, New York back then faced high rate teen birth/motherhood problems, state of the art well over maintained public transit going out of funds, cities going bankrupt, ... . Probably a year after the Republicans loose the election, when the problem gets to it's height, the Republicans are going to be like, "See! This is what Democrats do. First it was New York City in 70's now its Dallas-Fort Worth and Houston in the 2030's". Then they will probably cling on to the hope that the message will help them win in the next election.
 
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I think you are giving them too much credit for planning. In general the GOP thinks for today, which benefits them and (IMO) hurts the public. This abortion thing is a win today for all the religious cretins, tomorrow is another day where we'll think of something else in order to get over. There's always another barbarian at the gates they can prop up to scare people with so that they vote for the party of "security", illegals being a mainstay.
 
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Extremist abortion laws have been written and when they go into effect - kill women. This happened in Ireland, and one of the final cases in which a woman died of infection because doctors would not end her pregnancy, lead to a major change in Irish culture and a change in their law. The modern conservative right likely will not be phased by the deaths of women, they will say they were actually due to “pre-existing” conditions, or they’ll vilify them and say they were using drugs etc. Same as they justify covid deaths as either not really being covid deaths, or saying the person was “obese” or “sickly” as if that somehow justifies not caring about them being dead.
 
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VRAMdemon said:
Extremist abortion laws have been written and when they go into effect - kill women. This happened in Ireland, and one of the final cases in which a woman died of infection because doctors would not end her pregnancy, lead to a major change in Irish culture and a change in their law. The modern conservative right likely will not be phased by the deaths of women, they will say they were actually due to “pre-existing” conditions, or they’ll vilify them and say they were using drugs etc. Same as they justify covid deaths as either not really being covid deaths, or saying the person was “obese” or “sickly” as if that somehow justifies not caring about them being dead.
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and she was 17 weeks pregnant
Woman In Ireland Dies After Being Denied an Abortion During a Miscarriage (yahoo.com)
 
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Zorba said:
The fact companies are getting involved with stuff like this, I think, just shows how fucked up the republican position is on this.
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Really it's been not nearly enough and kind of disappointing. I'll be contacting Dell to say I won't be buying another laptop from them unless they take a respectable stand. Not like they'll care but whatever. I at least spoke my peace.
 
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Fenixgoon said:
well damn - that's one hell of a statement
www.cnn.com

Salesforce said it will help employees leave Texas due to abortion law | CNN Business

Salesforce announced that it will assist its employees and their families if they want to leave Texas after the state passed the nation's most restrictive abortion law.
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Decrease in population and electoral college vote value in the state of Texas, by people now moving out? Guess I might see the state of New York at 42 electoral college votes, as it was back in the long past.
 
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MrSquished said:
Really it's been not nearly enough and kind of disappointing. I'll be contacting Dell to say I won't be buying another laptop from them unless they take a respectable stand. Not like they'll care but whatever. I at least spoke my peace.
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Majority of Dell manufacturing and stuff happens in California.
 
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Amol S. said:
Majority of Dell manufacturing and stuff happens in California.
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They are headquartered in Texas. Obviously companies with headquarters and strong business presences in one state will have operations in others. But the headquarters is a big deal.
 
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You have to wonder if that was the plan all along...make the libs fight back, things get tied up in courts and generate more outrage with your own base. The GOP benefits a lot from abortion being legal. In a way this may be like the dog catching the car.
 
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Devin from LegalEagle has a great breakdown of the law, the Supreme Court challenge to it and the law's legal action.

Most notably to me: the denial of the emergency stay doesn't mean the SCOTUS will rule in favor of the law. This doesn't mean Roe v. Wade will survive, but this law might not be how it will happen. Just don't count on the DOJ lawsuit succeeding.

 
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Fenixgoon said:
well damn - that's one hell of a statement
www.cnn.com

Salesforce said it will help employees leave Texas due to abortion law | CNN Business

Salesforce announced that it will assist its employees and their families if they want to leave Texas after the state passed the nation's most restrictive abortion law.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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Looks like another company joined in with that movement as well. Bospar is also helping their employees relocate over the new abortion law.
 
MrSquished

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The supreme court is going to strike down the 10,000 bounty part but let the 6 week ban remain, effectively ending roe v Wade
 
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