I cant freaking blame Sharon for taking a bully stance. The Palestinians have ALWAYS been the ones to break any treaties, the Palestinians are the ones who keep rejecting offer after offer after offer. It's the Israeli's who at least remotely TRY to have peace, the Palestinians just want them all to die.
The Israeli government, under Sharon, has also broken its share of peace agreements, the Oslo accord being one of them. Shadowhunter, how about you get your facts straight:
Responding to a question from an ultra-Orthodox Jewish newspaper about the validity of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations that began in Norway in 1993, Mr Sharon, leader of the right-wing Likud party, said: "The Oslo accord is an agreement that no longer exists. Period.
It seems that the current attitude in US politics has been along the lines of: "They didn't agree to our demands so we'll carpet bomb their entire country." Don't get me wrong here, I despise terrorism, but there must be better alternatives (special forces, etc.). This entire operation in Afghanistan has been for show and the chances of us capturing Osama are negligible; it's only effects, besides getting rid of the Taliban and killing a lot of people, have been to make the average Joe Six-Pack happy.
Responding to a question from an ultra-Orthodox Jewish newspaper about the validity of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations that began in Norway in 1993, Mr Sharon, leader of the right-wing Likud party, said: "The Oslo accord is an agreement that no longer exists. Period.
It seems that the current attitude in US politics has been along the lines of: "They didn't agree to our demands so we'll carpet bomb their entire country." Don't get me wrong here, I despise terrorism, but there must be better alternatives (special forces, etc.). This entire operation in Afghanistan has been for show and the chances of us capturing Osama are negligible; it's only effects, besides getting rid of the Taliban and killing a lot of people, have been to make the average Joe Six-Pack happy.
How is he taking a bully stance? Look what happend to us , when the towers were hit , we vowed that we are going to get revenge , on who? Afghanistan a country that has only ROCKS. The same thing with Palestine , sharon had enough with these morons they dont want peace they dont want israel to exist. Its not like palestine and israel just started fighting , this has been going on for a very very long time and sharon got sick of it and decided to do something about it.
PS Thants why the US is supporting him
PS Thants why the US is supporting him
<< The US only lost .001% f it's population due to the wtc attack. we went and bombed the he!! out of a country that may or may not have been involved in the attack
Yeah,OK.
We bombed the hell out of Afghanistan for no reason at all.
They have not been harboring Bin Laden.
They don't support Al Quida and hundreds of other terrorists orginisations.
We are bombing them just so we can feel better about ourselves right ?
Grow up >>
hey.. a$$ wipe, I said .05%. If you look at the percentage of the population Israel has lost, vs he percentage of the pop that the US lost to the WTC attacks, I was just pointing out that Israel was just as justified, if not more so to bomb palestine into the ground. So simmer down and learn to read percentages.
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Sharon esseciently (sp) told Arafat to stop the terrorism via his sercurity forces and police. They gave him a list of suspects. Arafat did not have the political will to do this in the 2 day standdown that Isreal allowed.
Text
A quote from a Palestinian police officer
?We are a civil police force and our duty is to protect our society as well as to fulfill the Palestinian leadership commitment? to arrest terrorists.
Palestinian police officials said the same.
?This new Israeli crime came while the Palestinian police are exerting maximum efforts to safeguard security and to continue implementing? Arafat?s crackdown on militants, the police said in a statement.
Arafat said his forces have arrested 180 militants since suicide bombers blew themselves up in Jerusalem and Haifa on Sunday, killing 25. But Israel accuses him of acting in bad faith, charging that those apprehended are low-level figures, not the real planners of attacks.
If Israel has information that attacks are planned and turns it over to Arafat and then nothing is done to stop it, what should Israel think about Arafat committment?
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A quote from a Palestinian police officer
?We are a civil police force and our duty is to protect our society as well as to fulfill the Palestinian leadership commitment? to arrest terrorists.
Palestinian police officials said the same.
?This new Israeli crime came while the Palestinian police are exerting maximum efforts to safeguard security and to continue implementing? Arafat?s crackdown on militants, the police said in a statement.
Arafat said his forces have arrested 180 militants since suicide bombers blew themselves up in Jerusalem and Haifa on Sunday, killing 25. But Israel accuses him of acting in bad faith, charging that those apprehended are low-level figures, not the real planners of attacks.
If Israel has information that attacks are planned and turns it over to Arafat and then nothing is done to stop it, what should Israel think about Arafat committment?
<< The Israeli government, under Sharon, has also broken its share of peace agreements, the Oslo accord being one of them. Shadowhunter, how about you get your facts straight:
Responding to a question from an ultra-Orthodox Jewish newspaper about the validity of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations that began in Norway in 1993, Mr Sharon, leader of the right-wing Likud party, said: "The Oslo accord is an agreement that no longer exists. Period.
It seems that the current attitude in US politics has been along the lines of: "They didn't agree to our demands so we'll carpet bomb their entire country." Don't get me wrong here, I despise terrorism, but there must be better alternatives (special forces, etc.). This entire operation in Afghanistan has been for show and the chances of us capturing Osama are negligible; it's only effects, besides getting rid of the Taliban and killing a lot of people, have been to make the average Joe Six-Pack happy. >>
The Likud party just didn't say, "well forget the Palestinians! We want war!" They considered that accord dead because the way the Palestinians were treating it was a joke. I cant blame them.
Both sides have done less then great things, but IMHO the Israeli side has shown alot more tolerance and effort in a peace agreement the the Palestinians.
So simmer down and learn to read percentages
Eh, perhaps you should learn how to WRITE percentages first. You are the one who claimed, and apparently you still do claim, that isreal has had 300,000 folks killed in the last 14 months. (6 Million x .05 =300K).
Eh, perhaps you should learn how to WRITE percentages first. You are the one who claimed, and apparently you still do claim, that isreal has had 300,000 folks killed in the last 14 months. (6 Million x .05 =300K).
the funny thing is israel was a considerable sponsor to hamas back when it was founded in '87, they considered it a group which could reduce PLO influence, and it could divide the palestinians in 2 camps.
Aelus
Aelus
Luckster: I think its was pretty clear he meant .05%. I understood what he meant. How was he supposed to right it? He did not say ".05 of the population" or 5%. The way he writes percentages looks ok to me.
<< So simmer down and learn to read percentages
Eh, perhaps you should learn how to WRITE percentages first. You are the one who claimed, and apparently you still do claim, that isreal has had 300,000 folks killed in the last 14 months. (6 Million x .05 =300K). >>
he said .05%, not 5%, .05% is .0005 in the calculator.. i think.
<<
<< So simmer down and learn to read percentages
Eh, perhaps you should learn how to WRITE percentages first. You are the one who claimed, and apparently you still do claim, that isreal has had 300,000 folks killed in the last 14 months. (6 Million x .05 =300K). >>
he said .05%, not 5%, .05% is .0005 in the calculator.. i think. >>
heh, if thats true that im retarded.
F**K CNN
F**K BUSH
F**K CLINTON
They all condem the terriost when Israel Beaches and Luxury Hotel got bombed, but hide and didn't say a thing when US weapon used by Israel kill 6 times as much people in the Palestian Slump.
Terror is bad, but when you give a group superior military power over the other, desperate people under stress do stupid things.
F**K BUSH
F**K CLINTON
They all condem the terriost when Israel Beaches and Luxury Hotel got bombed, but hide and didn't say a thing when US weapon used by Israel kill 6 times as much people in the Palestian Slump.
Terror is bad, but when you give a group superior military power over the other, desperate people under stress do stupid things.
>>>... desperate people under stress do stupid things.<<<
No,stupid people do stupid things. Why are they desperate? They have had ample oppurtunity to provide for better living conditions for themselves over the last 30 years. They choose the life they live,it is not imposed uopon them. They have a government,they have land, construction,a labor force,infrastructure,and international recognition. They have an economy.
They have chosen to wage war against Isreal. They have chosen to blame their condition on anyone but themselves. They have little regard for human life and coerce women and children to face off Isreali military guarding borders and doing their jobs. They send in brainwashed malcontents to commit suicide while killing as many innocent bystanders (as long as they are Isreali or Western) as they can. When they commit suicide,the people who brainwashed them give a large sum of money to the bombers family.
They are barbarians who have had ample oppurtunity to become educated and civilized. I have no sympathy for any of them. They can all die for all I care. It will take many generations to drive out this insanity. Just as racial descrimination is taking many generations to be weeded out here in the U.S.
I am not prejudiced against them for their religeon or ethninticity, I just hate criminals who kill in the name of God. That is just plain Bullsh!t.:disgust:
No,stupid people do stupid things. Why are they desperate? They have had ample oppurtunity to provide for better living conditions for themselves over the last 30 years. They choose the life they live,it is not imposed uopon them. They have a government,they have land, construction,a labor force,infrastructure,and international recognition. They have an economy.
They have chosen to wage war against Isreal. They have chosen to blame their condition on anyone but themselves. They have little regard for human life and coerce women and children to face off Isreali military guarding borders and doing their jobs. They send in brainwashed malcontents to commit suicide while killing as many innocent bystanders (as long as they are Isreali or Western) as they can. When they commit suicide,the people who brainwashed them give a large sum of money to the bombers family.
They are barbarians who have had ample oppurtunity to become educated and civilized. I have no sympathy for any of them. They can all die for all I care. It will take many generations to drive out this insanity. Just as racial descrimination is taking many generations to be weeded out here in the U.S.
I am not prejudiced against them for their religeon or ethninticity, I just hate criminals who kill in the name of God. That is just plain Bullsh!t.:disgust:
No,stupid people do stupid things. Why are they desperate? They have had ample oppurtunity to provide for better living conditions for themselves over the last 30 years. They choose the life they live,it is not imposed uopon them. They have a government,they have land, construction,a labor force,infrastructure,and international recognition. They have an economy.
i couldnt agree more with what you said
i couldnt agree more with what you said
Ok, explain this to me:
you're 20 years old, hardly any education, you live in a crappy house near beirut, barely have food/clean water, and your cloathing sucks. There are no factories, nor is there any other means to work.
how are you going to get out of poverty?
Aelus
you're 20 years old, hardly any education, you live in a crappy house near beirut, barely have food/clean water, and your cloathing sucks. There are no factories, nor is there any other means to work.
how are you going to get out of poverty?
Aelus
<< No,stupid people do stupid things. Why are they desperate? They have had ample oppurtunity to provide for better living conditions for themselves over the last 30 years. They choose the life they live,it is not imposed uopon them. They have a government,they have land, construction,a labor force,infrastructure,and international recognition. They have an economy.
>>
Yeah, uh-huh....50% of palestinians are ALL so lazy that they CHOOSE not to have a job, be able to eat, afford a decent home and clothes....Yeah, that must be it.
Tripleshot:
You are right on the money sir!!! And I admire anyone that can say these things without calling the other posters vile names. Does it ever suprise you that some have such bad command of the english language that they cannot get there point across without profanity??
Bleep
Semper Fi
You are right on the money sir!!! And I admire anyone that can say these things without calling the other posters vile names. Does it ever suprise you that some have such bad command of the english language that they cannot get there point across without profanity??
Bleep
Semper Fi
does anyone have some hard numbers on the casulties?
although i don't favor either side, it looks like over the past 10 years, 5 times more palestinians have died than israelis? (saw it in some magazine)
on the flip side, we hear about israeli casulties alot more often than we hear about palestinian casulties but yet the palestinians have lost more people... certainly something is amiss.
although i don't favor either side, it looks like over the past 10 years, 5 times more palestinians have died than israelis? (saw it in some magazine)
on the flip side, we hear about israeli casulties alot more often than we hear about palestinian casulties but yet the palestinians have lost more people... certainly something is amiss.
<< does anyone have some hard numbers on the casulties?
although i don't favor either side, it looks like over the past 10 years, 5 times more palestinians have died than israelis? (saw it in some magazine)
on the flip side, we hear about israeli casulties alot more often than we hear about palestinian casulties but yet the palestinians have lost more people... certainly something is amiss. >>
Whats amiss is media bias. Its not unusual when you consider that the US gov't policy is to support isreal, however, and the way palestinians are branded at times by both the media and the gov't leads one to think "who cares" when a palestinian dies. <shrugs> Same thing with this news that sharon launched airstrikes just before a peace meeting-you dont hear but a 30 second blurb on the news about it, yet when a suicide bomber from hamas attacks israel, i heard commentary for 2 days about them destroying any chance for peace.
i dont believe that arafat is really a terrorist anymore, and i think that the palestinians are always going to be seen as the bad guy because they have such a hard road to follow.
the palestinians basically have to have no one from their people commit any violence against israelis...do you know how almost impossible this would be to accomplish? even if arafat arrested every hamas militant he could find, there is always going to be one lunatic that ruins it for them (i'm sure even if not, the israelis have their own agents that would set a bomb off somewhere and blame the palestinians).
the israelis know this, and they'll keep up this strategy until they've either disarmed or neutered the palestinians ability to fight back totally so that they can kick them out for good. this is how i see it, it's a war of attrition, and israel knows it's got the upper hand.
it's a sad, sad situation.
the palestinians basically have to have no one from their people commit any violence against israelis...do you know how almost impossible this would be to accomplish? even if arafat arrested every hamas militant he could find, there is always going to be one lunatic that ruins it for them (i'm sure even if not, the israelis have their own agents that would set a bomb off somewhere and blame the palestinians).
the israelis know this, and they'll keep up this strategy until they've either disarmed or neutered the palestinians ability to fight back totally so that they can kick them out for good. this is how i see it, it's a war of attrition, and israel knows it's got the upper hand.
it's a sad, sad situation.
Dat
Nothing is amiss. Casulities and atrocities from both sides have been well covered in the media for as long as this condition has existed. You are either attuned to what interests you, or the notion that PLO and Isreal are fighting again has just instigated a yawn from you. I suspect the latter is what has happpened to most of us in the U.S. but we are much more sensitive in the aftermath of 09/11/01.
There is little doubt casulities are higher in Palestine than Isreal. That happens when you send children and women to fight a mans war. If Palestinians wanted to wage a serious war with Isreal, don't you think they would have the resources to do so? Don't you think that if they where truly the rightful errs to the land that the neighboring Arabic governments would have done something sooner than now? Truth is, Palestine does not have the support of its Aribic neighbors. Not enough to push Isreal out. Why is that? Why is it the only ones pounding their chests are militant retards claiming some holy jihad? Why is it these scum sucking criminals are allowed to exist in Palestine? Why is it we should allow a group who stole the land from the Jews 1400 years ago continue to claim title? The UN did not. They gave the land back to Isreal, the home of their ancestors,very rich in history and promise. ( I think a biblical discusion of this point of view belongs in a seperate thread. I do not pretend to have all the answers. I do however believe history shows Muhhamid ascended in about 600 A.D. Thats along time beyond the beginnig of biblical jewish history of the land.)
We as a nation are more than willing and capable of offering peace and self relience. We will gladly export our way of life that so many of these poor people are jealous of. It just takes a different approach to government. It takes a willingness to show compassion and understanding,and helping your neighbor. We do it all the time here inthe U.S. We will gladly teach any country or government how to do it for themselves. But if they think we are the enemy, and they wage terrorist war with our unarmed and trusting,loving,caring cicitzens, then we have another way to deal with it. We will wait and teach your infant children,because extermination of those who wish us harm is more productive than trying to educate an ungrateful people.
There are choices. We all have them.
Nothing is amiss. Casulities and atrocities from both sides have been well covered in the media for as long as this condition has existed. You are either attuned to what interests you, or the notion that PLO and Isreal are fighting again has just instigated a yawn from you. I suspect the latter is what has happpened to most of us in the U.S. but we are much more sensitive in the aftermath of 09/11/01.
There is little doubt casulities are higher in Palestine than Isreal. That happens when you send children and women to fight a mans war. If Palestinians wanted to wage a serious war with Isreal, don't you think they would have the resources to do so? Don't you think that if they where truly the rightful errs to the land that the neighboring Arabic governments would have done something sooner than now? Truth is, Palestine does not have the support of its Aribic neighbors. Not enough to push Isreal out. Why is that? Why is it the only ones pounding their chests are militant retards claiming some holy jihad? Why is it these scum sucking criminals are allowed to exist in Palestine? Why is it we should allow a group who stole the land from the Jews 1400 years ago continue to claim title? The UN did not. They gave the land back to Isreal, the home of their ancestors,very rich in history and promise. ( I think a biblical discusion of this point of view belongs in a seperate thread. I do not pretend to have all the answers. I do however believe history shows Muhhamid ascended in about 600 A.D. Thats along time beyond the beginnig of biblical jewish history of the land.)
We as a nation are more than willing and capable of offering peace and self relience. We will gladly export our way of life that so many of these poor people are jealous of. It just takes a different approach to government. It takes a willingness to show compassion and understanding,and helping your neighbor. We do it all the time here inthe U.S. We will gladly teach any country or government how to do it for themselves. But if they think we are the enemy, and they wage terrorist war with our unarmed and trusting,loving,caring cicitzens, then we have another way to deal with it. We will wait and teach your infant children,because extermination of those who wish us harm is more productive than trying to educate an ungrateful people.
There are choices. We all have them.
It's kind of hard to keep your children away from the warzone, if the warzone happens to be in the refugee camp. If you've ever seen how such a camp looks, you'd know that those camps, which are horribly overpopulated border with the israeli colonies, the only places where the children can play their game of soccer is on those border areas, that's the only space they have.
oh, and you'll also have to explain me how those palestinians in refugee camps should get out of poverty.
Aelus
oh, and you'll also have to explain me how those palestinians in refugee camps should get out of poverty.
Aelus
>>>oh, and you'll also have to explain me how those palestinians in refugee camps should get out of poverty.<<<
Wrong! I don't have to explain anything to you.
Those Palestinians choose to vote with rocks and guns and suicide bombers rather than vote for leadership that is more interested in peace and girding up their lot in life with education, teaching skills like construction trades or engineering or agriculture. No,Instead the are taught the Koran ad nausem and nothing else, and they are brought up to hate and to seek the death of their neighbor.
I have no sympathy for that lot or any bleeding heart sympathizer like yourself. If you don't like the way they live, why don't you go and help them instead of running down those who are being attacked by these martyr mongering malcontent idiots? If they spent 1 tenth of the energy they spend on snivling and preparing for war against Isreal, there would be no refugee camps you moron!:disgust:
Wrong! I don't have to explain anything to you.
Those Palestinians choose to vote with rocks and guns and suicide bombers rather than vote for leadership that is more interested in peace and girding up their lot in life with education, teaching skills like construction trades or engineering or agriculture. No,Instead the are taught the Koran ad nausem and nothing else, and they are brought up to hate and to seek the death of their neighbor.
I have no sympathy for that lot or any bleeding heart sympathizer like yourself. If you don't like the way they live, why don't you go and help them instead of running down those who are being attacked by these martyr mongering malcontent idiots? If they spent 1 tenth of the energy they spend on snivling and preparing for war against Isreal, there would be no refugee camps you moron!:disgust:
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