what the hell are we doing?!

[JeepinEd]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: eits

they deserved tear gas... not a beating. a beating will only make them hate the occupation that much more. not only that, but those kids who were beaten can go around their little shanty and tell all the other kids their account of what happened and how the soldiers aren't really there to protect them at all... they're really there just to throw their might and weight around and bully their way around the world.... thus, giving rise to future terrorists.

Just curious... but if they didn't already think that before... why were they throwing rocks at the soldiers?

are you kidding?

No. Are you?

If they thought the soldiers were there for reasons positive to them, why were they out rioting against them? Riddle me that one Batman.

*Throws rocks* *Gets ass kicked* "I knew those soldiers were bad!"

obviously, they don't think the soldiers were there for reasons positive to them. however, when you invade a country and say that you're there for reasons that are positive to them, you try and prove it. the citizens of that tiny community obviously were showing their disgust towards being occupied while preaching freedom, so they chucked small objects like rocks (a common occurance in any rivalry, whether it be communists and nationalists, catholics and protestants, muslims or jews, michigan fans or ohio state fans, pittsburgh steeler fans and the local swat team, whatever). whenever people feel oppressed and the homeostasis of their community has been disrupted, there is an inflammatory response...

whooping the apple butter out of some people who threw rocks at you is hardly a gesture of benevolence to the community.

I'd just like to say that I had a friend killed by a small rock hitting him in the head. Whether it be pebbles, rocks boulders or yellow snow, their primary aim is to maim/injure/kill the soldiers.

While I don't think Iraq was invaded due to a vast conspiracy to make Haliburton rich, I do think GW made a BIG mistake getting us in there. I have little sympathy for those people and I'm really torn on whether or not we should just pull out.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

This kind of reminds me of the anti-abortionists showing gory photos. The problem is that:

"A picture is NOT an argument," to quote a certain philosopher.

The video doesn't provide us with the full context. Were the Iraqis shooting at the British earlier? We don't know from the video. (In the abortion case, we just as easily show revolting photos of butchered animals and try to make the same argument. The photos don't tell us whether or not a conscious, conceptual-level personality was resident in the fetus or animal).

i'm not saying this is a widespread thing... i'm saying that i HOPE it's not a widespread thing. the fact that this even occured makes me angry to the core... people don't deserve to be treated like that, whether they're americans or anti-american supporters.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Frackal
They should have teargassed their dumbasses or something... on the assumption that the kids were throwing rocks at soldiers... no sympathy from me... those rocks they throw can kill our guys when thrown at vehicles.

if we were invaded and occupied we would do the EXACT same thing

qft

 

[imported_Aelius]

This is what happens when you have a bunch of soldiers high on adrenalin, frustrated at their situation that goes on like this daily for a year or more and they feel they can do nothing about it. Then you get into a situation where the door is open to option A, B or C. This is where officers come in.

They choose one route and not just because they are in a retarded situation but also because they have a piss poor officer. It seems so common now days. Officer = manager.

If you have an outstanding "manager" you will probably get by ok regardless of the retarded situation around you. When you don't.

You get this....

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Frackal
They should have teargassed their dumbasses or something... on the assumption that the kids were throwing rocks at soldiers... no sympathy from me... those rocks they throw can kill our guys when thrown at vehicles.

if we were invaded and occupied we would do the EXACT same thing

Any country that invaded my area .. Yes.. I would do everything I could ever think of to kill them all.. every last one of them.. even the brainwashed ones who thought they were doing something good. ESPECIALLY after they tortured my fellow citizens.. totally disproving they had any moral superiority.

 

[SokaMoka]

Originally posted by: Aimster
People throw stones at police during riots.

we do not shot them. we do not beat them up. we do not torture them. We go off on countries like China for doing it but when our own ally does it we make excuses. Some of the people in here are so filled with hate and a dislike for other cultures that they forget to think before they type

QFT!!

OMG I am not sure if I was disgusted more by the video or by some of the replies here in this thread, are you guys for real ?

We don't have any violent protests here in the west (and some of them are over much simpler issues) ?

Let me see a hand count here of who would accept to see the same ****** treatment in their countries being made legal ?
Go back in time fellas, remember when the British were here in America ? I am not sure we gave them chocolate and roses for a goodbye present!

First we invade their country.
Turn it into rubble.
Kill their people.
Lump them all up as terrorists.
Then we treat them as animals, thank to the supporters of DEMOCRACY , the likes we have here in this thread.

I am not sure, what is more shocking, the video or the full of racists attitude KKK like posts we have in this thread.

Let me see any protest involving rock throwing at riot police result in the same punishment and support of punishment happening in Europe or the US! Exactly you bigots.

Do you guys wonder why they hate us ? Perhaps just perhaps it's because we don't practice what we preach, ya think ?

:disgust:

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Frackal
They should have teargassed their dumbasses or something... on the assumption that the kids were throwing rocks at soldiers... no sympathy from me... those rocks they throw can kill our guys when thrown at vehicles.

if we were invaded and occupied we would do the EXACT same thing

Any country that invaded my area .. Yes.. I would do everything I could ever think of to kill them all.. every last one of them.. even the brainwashed ones who thought they were doing something good. ESPECIALLY after they tortured my fellow citizens.. totally disproving they had any moral superiority.

good post.... and NICE heat, yo

 

[BarneyFife]

Its funny listening to the American puppets defending Iraq. Yeah, I'm sure you guys would love it if China invaded the US and then beat the hell out of your kids for throwing rocks. While destroying your country and turning your life upside down in the process. God bless the idiots of America who defend this stupidity. Without you, their would be no pet rock.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Frackal
They should have teargassed their dumbasses or something... on the assumption that the kids were throwing rocks at soldiers... no sympathy from me... those rocks they throw can kill our guys when thrown at vehicles.

if we were invaded and occupied we would do the EXACT same thing

Anyone ever think from an American perspective, ever? Or do you guys always think from the enemy's point of view?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Aimster
People throw stones at police during riots.

we do not shot them. we do not beat them up. we do not torture them. We go off on countries like China for doing it but when our own ally does it we make excuses. Some of the people in here are so filled with hate and a dislike for other cultures that they forget to think before they type

Yes, but in police riots, you are dealing with a mildly heated group of people in a familiar setting. In Iraq, you are on edge at all times in an unfamiliar world. I'm not saying what they did was ok, because I cant watch the video here at work.

 

[Jaskalas]

The video is out of context, but the narrator should be taken out and beaten.

As for our troops defending themselves, I hope they ALL do it every day. Anyone who crosses them shouldn?t have the right to live, and anything more than that is a silly form of mercy that would not be returned to us and only result in inciting more violence.

Where I agree that beating someone only makes them hate you more, the fact that they crossed our soldiers in the first place means they intended some violence before our response. You?ve a right to protest police officers in the USA, not soldiers in the battlefield, even if that happens to be your home in Iraq.

While it may be a tragedy to have the conflict occur because our soldiers are over there in Iraq. I also firmly believe it takes two sides to enter combat, and I will never root for a person outside the USA having rights to stand up to our troops. That?s getting into the messy details of a war where the choice was made here at home. If you do not believe in it, then you have a duty to vote next election and that is where this is ultimately decided.

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Big deal. They got smacked across the backside with a switch. I think it is funny. They need to learn the consequences of their actions and a spanking is pretty mild considering they could have been shot.

throwing rocks at troops is typical... that's not "attacking," per se.

WTF?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Big deal. They got smacked across the backside with a switch. I think it is funny. They need to learn the consequences of their actions and a spanking is pretty mild considering they could have been shot.

throwing rocks at troops is typical... that's not "attacking," per se.

WTF?

attacking them would be more along the lines of intentionally trying to do a significant amount of damage to them. rock-throwers, believe it or not, aren't focusing as much on "attacking" as much as they are demoralizing and showing their disgust... the only thing they're really trying to attack is their resolution/conviction.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Frackal
They should have teargassed their dumbasses or something... on the assumption that the kids were throwing rocks at soldiers... no sympathy from me... those rocks they throw can kill our guys when thrown at vehicles.

if we were invaded and occupied we would do the EXACT same thing

Anyone ever think from an American perspective, ever? Or do you guys always think from the enemy's point of view?

Iraq is not my enemy. I sure hope Bush/Cheney enjoy rotting in hell.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Frackal
They should have teargassed their dumbasses or something... on the assumption that the kids were throwing rocks at soldiers... no sympathy from me... those rocks they throw can kill our guys when thrown at vehicles.

if we were invaded and occupied we would do the EXACT same thing

Anyone ever think from an American perspective, ever? Or do you guys always think from the enemy's point of view?

I don't quite undertstand why you would want an American perspective on something that involves Iraqis and British troops.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Frackal
those rocks they throw can kill our guys when thrown at vehicles.

Maybe we should convert our vehicles to be equipped with rock-flinging capability. Let's not stop there. Convert our bombers to drop boulders instead. Imagine the cost savings!

 

[elpres05]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The video is out of context, but the narrator should be taken out and beaten.

As for our troops defending themselves, I hope they ALL do it every day. Anyone who crosses them shouldn?t have the right to live, and anything more than that is a silly form of mercy that would not be returned to us and only result in inciting more violence.

Where I agree that beating someone only makes them hate you more, the fact that they crossed our soldiers in the first place means they intended some violence before our response. You?ve a right to protest police officers in the USA, not soldiers in the battlefield, even if that happens to be your home in Iraq.

While it may be a tragedy to have the conflict occur because our soldiers are over there in Iraq. I also firmly believe it takes two sides to enter combat, and I will never root for a person outside the USA having rights to stand up to our troops. That?s getting into the messy details of a war where the choice was made here at home. If you do not believe in it, then you have a duty to vote next election and that is where this is ultimately decided.

WTF?? Your invading a country, applying your own rules and then consider the people to stay calm and follow your orders which they cannot because most of em don't speak English?

Why don't you say it straight that the purpose of invading Iraq was not to bring peace but to.................

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Frackal
They should have teargassed their dumbasses or something... on the assumption that the kids were throwing rocks at soldiers... no sympathy from me... those rocks they throw can kill our guys when thrown at vehicles.

if we were invaded and occupied we would do the EXACT same thing

Anyone ever think from an American perspective, ever? Or do you guys always think from the enemy's point of view?

I wonder if all 30,000+ of the dead/murdered Iraqi's were our enemies?

We declared war on a country that never attacked us and didn't have anything to do with 9/11 .. and in the process we have absolutely DESTROYED THEIR COUNTRY
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ who is the enemy?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[elpres05]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Frackal
They should have teargassed their dumbasses or something... on the assumption that the kids were throwing rocks at soldiers... no sympathy from me... those rocks they throw can kill our guys when thrown at vehicles.

if we were invaded and occupied we would do the EXACT same thing

Anyone ever think from an American perspective, ever? Or do you guys always think from the enemy's point of view?

I wonder if all 30,000+ of the dead/murdered Iraqi's were our enemies?

We declared war on a country that never attacked us and didn't have anything to do with 9/11 .. and in the process we have absolutely DESTROYED THEIR COUNTRY
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ who is the enemy?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Israel?

 

[elpres05]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Frackal
They should have teargassed their dumbasses or something... on the assumption that the kids were throwing rocks at soldiers... no sympathy from me... those rocks they throw can kill our guys when thrown at vehicles.

if we were invaded and occupied we would do the EXACT same thing

Anyone ever think from an American perspective, ever? Or do you guys always think from the enemy's point of view?

I wonder if all 30,000+ of the dead/murdered Iraqi's were our enemies?

We declared war on a country that never attacked us and didn't have anything to do with 9/11 .. and in the process we have absolutely DESTROYED THEIR COUNTRY
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ who is the enemy?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is it Israel by chance?

 

[palehorse]

screw em. those kids are lucky to be alive. maybe the brits knocked some sense into em, maybe not. either way, they will certainly think twice about throwing rocks next time... and if they step it up to grenades? then the Brits will put em down for good.

so be it. when are you libs going to realize that war is not pretty? when are you going to realize that small beatings PALE in comparison to the brutality done by our enemies?! Do you think any of those kids, or their fathers, have ever heard of, let alone read, the Geneva convention!? HA!

While i do not advocate senseless beatings, these were not senseless. Those kids had it coming, and they're lucky the troops didnt shoot them in the first place... after all, if you knew the whole story, some of the "rocks" they were throwing during those riots were actually molotav cocktails and explosives.

get a clue!

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: palehorse74


Do you think any of those kids, or their fathers, have ever heard of, let alone read, the Geneva convention!? HA!



get a clue!

This is why we should just STFU when it comes to morality or laws... we don't follow them.. and anal torture with batons in the assholes of Iraqi prisoners sort of takes away some of that morality quotient

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Do you think any of those kids, or their fathers, have ever heard of, let alone read, the Geneva convention!? HA!

get a clue!

This is why we should just STFU when it comes to morality or laws... we don't follow them.. and anal torture with batons in the assholes of Iraqi prisoners sort of takes away some of that morality quotient

where the hell did you get "anal torture with batons in the assholes of Iraqi prisoners" from!?!? moveon.org?!

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Do you think any of those kids, or their fathers, have ever heard of, let alone read, the Geneva convention!? HA!

get a clue!

This is why we should just STFU when it comes to morality or laws... we don't follow them.. and anal torture with batons in the assholes of Iraqi prisoners sort of takes away some of that morality quotient

where the hell did you get "anal torture with batons in the assholes of Iraqi prisoners" from!?!? moveon.org?!

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1716366&enterthread=y&arctab=y

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Do you think any of those kids, or their fathers, have ever heard of, let alone read, the Geneva convention!? HA!

get a clue!

This is why we should just STFU when it comes to morality or laws... we don't follow them.. and anal torture with batons in the assholes of Iraqi prisoners sort of takes away some of that morality quotient

where the hell did you get "anal torture with batons in the assholes of Iraqi prisoners" from!?!? moveon.org?!

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1716366&enterthread=y&arctab=y

LOL@PBS.org!