What the Christian Reconstructionists/Dominionists are trying to accomplish

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: rickn
if anything like this bill ever passed, I could think of no better reason for america to enter into a very bitter and bloody armed conflict. This country is going to hell in a handbag.

Chalk up another peaceful liberal to the list.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: rickn
if anything like this bill ever passed, I could think of no better reason for america to enter into a very bitter and bloody armed conflict. This country is going to hell in a handbag.

Chalk up another peaceful liberal to the list.

Chalk up another bandwidth-wasting post to alchemize.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: rickn
if anything like this bill ever passed, I could think of no better reason for america to enter into a very bitter and bloody armed conflict. This country is going to hell in a handbag.

Chalk up another peaceful liberal to the list.

that's right, I am a liberal. I pray on my own time, on my own turf, and to my own god. One of the things I pray for is people with good sense get power, and people with power have good sense. and those of us left have the strength and patience to deal with people like you in the meantime

 

[Moonbeam]

Maybe the bill is just there to keep the American Taliban Republicans from abandoning the Big Business Republicans who are milking them for all they are worth and it's not intended to pass.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: rickn
if anything like this bill ever passed, I could think of no better reason for america to enter into a very bitter and bloody armed conflict. This country is going to hell in a handbag.

Chalk up another peaceful liberal to the list.

that's right, I am a liberal. I pray on my own time, on my own turf, and to my own god. One of the things I pray for is people with good sense get power, and people with power have good sense. and those of us left have the strength and patience to deal with people like you in the meantime

And if that fails, well you'll just put a bullet in my head. Well, you'll try anyhow.

Speaking of bandwidth wasting conjur, shouldn't you be reading articles on yurica.com instead of responding to me?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Speaking of bandwidth wasting conjur, shouldn't you be reading articles on yurica.com instead of responding to me?

And shouldn't you stop obsessing over conjur?

 

[Vic]

How do they get away calling it the "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004" when it is clearly unconstitutional?? 😕

Regardless, ANY Supreme Court would strike this down as quick as they could, if only because it would greatly limit their powers. As written, this law is so vague that it could prevent them from reviewing any case or appeal. If the Court allowed this to stand they may as well pack and go home.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Vic
How do they get away calling it the "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004" when it is clearly unconstitutional?? 😕

Regardless, ANY Supreme Court would strike this down as quick as they could, if only because it would greatly limit their powers. As written, this law is so vague that it could prevent them from reviewing any case or appeal. If the Court allowed this to stand they may as well pack and go home.

"If the Court allowed this to stand they may as well pack and go home."

That's the idea.

 

[Riprorin]

Of course liberals are against this legislation, the only way they can push their agenda is through a tyrannical oligarchy of federal judges.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alchemize

Speaking of bandwidth wasting conjur, shouldn't you be reading articles on yurica.com instead of responding to me?

And shouldn't you stop obsessing over conjur?

And shouldn't you stop obsessing over me?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Of course liberals are against this legislation, the only way they can push their agenda is through a tyrannical oligarchy of federal judges.

😕:roll:

If you can't see that the Dems think that the Pubs have that exact same agenda (except through expanding the executive branch powers), then you should probably schedule an emergency appointment with your optometrist, as your excessive partisanship has blinded you.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Maybe the bill is just there to keep the American Taliban Republicans from abandoning the Big Business Republicans who are milking them for all they are worth and it's not intended to pass.

It is hard say which end is which on this snake, maybe it is twoheaded. One head is the Dominionists, the other the Dominators:

...


The Dominionists are bankrolled and directed by deep-pocketed, well-connected business moguls and political operatives who have engineered a takeover of the Republican Party and are now at the heart of the U.S. government. They've made common cause with the "American Empire" faction -- Cheney, Rumsfeld, the neo-conservatives -- who seek "full-spectrum dominance" over the globe. The Dominionists provide money and domestic political muscle for the Dominators' imperial ambitions; in return, the Dominators provide a practical vehicle -- overwhelming military might and state power -- for making the Dominionists' dreams a reality.

The Dominionist movement was founded by the late R.J. Rushdoony, a busy beaver who also co-founded the Council for National Policy. The CNP is the politburo of the American conservative movement, filled with top-rank political and business leaders who set the national agenda for the vast echo chamber of right-wing foundations, publishers, media networks and universities that have schooled a whole generation in obscurantist bile -- just as the extremist Wahabbi religious schools funded by Saudi billionaires have poisoned the Islamic world with hatred and ignorance.

One of the chief moneybags behind the rise of Dominionism was tycoon Harold Ahmanson, Rushdoony's protege and fellow CNP member. In addition to establishing theocracy in America, Ahmanson has another abiding interest: computerized voting machines. As reported here last year, Ahmanson, a fervent Bush backer, was instrumental in establishing two of the Republican-controlled companies now rushing to install their highly hackable machines -- with untraceable, unrecountable electronic ballots -- across the country in time for the November election.

...

link

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Of course liberals are against this legislation, the only way they can push their agenda is through a tyrannical oligarchy of federal judges.

Whackos like you give the real Christians a bad name!

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Of course liberals are against this legislation, the only way they can push their agenda is through a tyrannical oligarchy of federal judges.

Why dont You go print This Out and burn it like a witch.

It would probely give you a gigantic Stiffy and bring you closer to Jebus.

 

[Moonbeam]

If he could get a gigantic stiffy I don't think he'd be a Republican.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Of course liberals are against this legislation, the only way they can push their agenda is through a tyrannical oligarchy of federal judges.

Whackos like you give the real Christians a bad name!

Sheeeeeet. He gives *humans* a bad name!

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

1 word.

unconstitutional.

 

[Gen Stonewall]

Regardless, ANY Supreme Court would strike this down as quick as they could, if only because it would greatly limit their powers.

That's what I don't understand about this bill. If the Supreme Court doesn't like it, they can just invalidate it.

 

[Gen Stonewall]

Yes moonbeam, we all know that only by searching our inner soul will we find the truth.

Those with wisdom know that the human soul in general is one of the most deceitful, selfish, and blind things in the universe. ("No one is righteous.") Finding morality by soul-searching and discovering feelings will lead to ever further blindness and depravity.

 

[Riprorin]

`Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review, by appeal, writ of certiorari, or otherwise, any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an element of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official personal capacity), by reason of that element's or officer's acknowledgement of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.'.

Good. The federal judiciary shouldn't be interfering with the expression of religious faith by any elected
local, state, or federal official.

 

[glenn1]

How do they get away calling it the "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004" when it is clearly unconstitutional??

Regardless, ANY Supreme Court would strike this down as quick as they could, if only because it would greatly limit their powers.

You're wrong, completely so. Congress DOES have the power to pass such a law. Whether it's a good idea or not you can debate in the thread, but don't fool yourself and think that its unconstitutional. Congress could remove the power of judicial review entirely if they so wished. Refer to Article 3, Section 2 if you doubt what I'm saying.


The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: rickn
if anything like this bill ever passed, I could think of no better reason for america to enter into a very bitter and bloody armed conflict. This country is going to hell in a handbag.

Chalk up another peaceful liberal to the list.

Chalk up another bandwidth-wasting post to alchemize.

That is for sure. He acts like a hostile teenager. Has he always been like this? I wonder how old he is.

 

[Jhhnn]

Apparently, the fundie fringe likes the way that the Royal Family and the Wahabbists run Saudi Arabia. Maybe we should bring back stoning, whipping and burning at the stake as appropriate- it's in the Bible, right?

Amazing that they have the nerve to condemn the Iranian Mullahs when they're really no different.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: skace
Does anyone know of a country where religion and politics are wholely seperate? That sounds ideal.

What's Canada or Mexico look like? What about Japan or European nations?

Why don't you just go ahead and explore all of that and get back to us. Much later!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: conjur
Ah, another diversionary tactic. Attack the messenger and ignore the message.


Go to http://thomas.loc.gov and search for "HR 3799" It's there.

When there seems to be only ONE message!