What the Christian Reconstructionists/Dominionists are trying to accomplish

[conjur]

From http://thomas.loc.gov

HR 3799 IH


108th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. R. 3799
To limit the jurisdiction of Federal courts in certain cases and promote federalism.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

February 11, 2004
Mr. ADERHOLT (for himself and Mr. PENCE) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary



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A BILL
To limit the jurisdiction of Federal courts in certain cases and promote federalism.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Constitution Restoration Act of 2004'.

TITLE I--JURISDICTION

SEC. 101. APPELLATE JURISDICTION.

(a) IN GENERAL-

(1) AMENDMENT TO TITLE 28- Chapter 81 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`Sec. 1260. Matters not reviewable

`Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review, by appeal, writ of certiorari, or otherwise, any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an element of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official personal capacity), by reason of that element's or officer's acknowledgement of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.'.

(2) TABLE OF SECTIONS- The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 81 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`1260. Matters not reviewable.'.

(b) APPLICABILITY- Section 1260 of title 28, United States Code, as added by subsection (a), shall not apply to an action pending on the date of enactment of this Act, except to the extent that a party or claim is sought to be included in that action after the date of enactment of this Act.

SEC. 102. LIMITATIONS ON JURISDICTION.

(a) IN GENERAL-

(1) AMENDMENT TO TITLE 28- Chapter 85 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end of the following:

`Sec. 1370. Matters that the Supreme Court lacks jurisdiction to review

`Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the district court shall not have jurisdiction of a matter if the Supreme Court does not have jurisdiction to review that matter by reason of section 1260 of this title.'.

(2) TABLE OF SECTIONS- The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 85 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`1370. Matters that the Supreme Court lacks jurisdiction to review.'.

(b) APPLICABILITY- Section 1370 of title 28, United States Code, as added by subsection (a), shall not apply to an action pending on the date of enactment of this Act, except to the extent that a party or claim is sought to be included in that action after the date of enactment of this Act.

TITLE II--INTERPRETATION

SEC. 201. INTERPRETATION OF THE CONSTITUTION.

In interpreting and applying the Constitution of the United States, a court of the United States may not rely upon any constitution, law, administrative rule, Executive order, directive, policy, judicial decision, or any other action of any foreign state or international organization or agency, other than the constitutional law and English common law.

TITLE III--ENFORCEMENT

SEC. 301. EXTRAJURISDICTIONAL CASES NOT BINDING ON STATES.

Any decision of a Federal court which has been made prior to or after the effective date of this Act, to the extent that the decision relates to an issue removed from Federal jurisdiction under section 1260 or 1370 of title 28, United States Code, as added by this Act, is not binding precedent on any State court.

SEC. 302. IMPEACHMENT, CONVICTION, AND REMOVAL OF JUDGES FOR CERTAIN EXTRAJURISDICTIONAL ACTIVITIES.

To the extent that a justice of the Supreme Court of the United States or any judge of any Federal court engages in any activity that exceeds the jurisdiction of the court of that justice or judge, as the case may be, by reason of section 1260 or 1370 of title 28, United States Code, as added by this Act, engaging in that activity shall be deemed to constitute the commission of--

(1) an offense for which the judge may be removed upon impeachment and conviction; and

(2) a breach of the standard of good behavior required by article III, section 1 of the Constitution.
END

STATUS: (color indicates Senate actions)
2/11/2004:
Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.

4/26/2004:
Referred to the Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet, and Intellectual Property.

9/13/2004:
Subcommittee Hearings Held.

And the Yurica Report review of this bill:

New Dominionist Bill Limits the Supreme Court's Jurisdiction
The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004
http://www.yuricareport.com/Do...tionRestorationAct.htm

And read this, too:

The Despoiling of America

How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State
http://www.yuricareport.com/Do...espoilingOfAmerica.htm


Sounds far-fetched but this bill is in the House and is being discussed. The GOP controls the House and the Senate. Should it pass, it would be the first step in a move to a Christian-based theocracy and would curtail the abilities of the Supreme Court to strike down laws based upon Christian beliefs.

 

[Fausto]

I'm just going to say "yikes" and leave it at that. :Q

 

[wirelessenabled]

:Q:disgust:

 

[skace]

Does anyone know of a country where religion and politics are wholely seperate? That sounds ideal.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: skace
Does anyone know of a country where religion and politics are wholely seperate? That sounds ideal.

What's Canada or Mexico look like? What about Japan or European nations?

 

[alchemize]

It's the re-emergence of.....*drum roll*

Conjur's new cutting edge news outlet...
The Yurica Report!!!


The editor in chief
Or is it her?
Or is MOM really running this show?


The non-biased site's motto:

liberty and freedom belong to all Americans, not just to a selected elite. Rush Limbaugh and his ilk have spread poison all over America. It?s a worse poison than anthrax or nerve gas. Those poisons will only kill our bodies, but the poison of the right wing talk show hosts and the religious right can and does enslave the souls of a free people and destroys all that is good and pure and noble in this land.

 

[conjur]

Ah, another diversionary tactic. Attack the messenger and ignore the message.


Go to http://thomas.loc.gov and search for "HR 3799" It's there.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: conjur
Ah, another diversionary tactic. Attack the messenger and ignore the message.


Go to http://thomas.loc.gov and search for "HR 3799" It's there.

I don't question the source of the bill. I question your source of analysis.

And yes, I'm attacking the messenger, because the messenger is presented a so-far-to-the-left message that it is a joke. People who post ann coulter articles get the same reaction, and rightfully so. If you want to put yourself in the tinfoil crowd, expect to have some turds thrown at you.

 

[conjur]

So, you're denying that Dominionists and Christian Reconstructionists want to reframe our Constitution to turn us into a Christian theocracy?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: conjur
So, you're denying that Dominionists and Christian Reconstructionists want to reframe our Constitution to turn us into a Christian theocracy?

Yes, I am. I don't know any "Dominionists" or "Christian Reconstructionists". I guess that's the buzzword to replace "neoconservatives" for 2004-2008. That scenario is about as likely as if Kerry had been elected we banned the practice of all religions and became a completely secular state (sound familiar?)

This bill is about limiting activist judges finding new "rights" in the constitution.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: conjur
Ah, another diversionary tactic. Attack the messenger and ignore the message.


Go to http://thomas.loc.gov and search for "HR 3799" It's there.

I don't question the source of the bill. I question your source of analysis.

And yes, I'm attacking the messenger, because the messenger is presented a so-far-to-the-left message that it is a joke. People who post ann coulter articles get the same reaction, and rightfully so. If you want to put yourself in the tinfoil crowd, expect to have some turds thrown at you.

You ignorant arrogant putz. Who the hell are you to decide where the truth lies. The chance that the truth is anything you or anybody in the middle even has a glimmer of is vanishingly small. The truth throughout history has been in the province of an exceptional elite few who were resisted persecuted and hated intensely in their time. It is no different now. Your arrogance makes you blind to what is obvious, that the truth is always revolutionary, unexpected, and from a source completely unexpected. Try to sweep up half a brain and realize the truth is never where you are looking. Try get over on the cutting edge of humanity instead of bringing up the rear. Then again you could always carry a cross and nails.

 

[Moonbeam]

Dominionists and Christian Reconstructionists?????? That is a hellofa mouthfull. I prefer the Ameircan Taliban.

 

[EagleKeeper]

IF the ACLU was not acting in such extreme ways, their opponents would not have to resort to such methods to counter-act.

The existing religion and government interfacing worked well for the first 150+ years. Common sense was applied.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: conjur
So, you're denying that Dominionists and Christian Reconstructionists want to reframe our Constitution to turn us into a Christian theocracy?

Yes, I am. I don't know any "Dominionists" or "Christian Reconstructionists". I guess that's the buzzword to replace "neoconservatives" for 2004-2008. That scenario is about as likely as if Kerry had been elected we banned the practice of all religions and became a completely secular state (sound familiar?)

This bill is about limiting activist judges finding new "rights" in the constitution.

They are people like John Ashcroft, Tom DeLay and the newcomers Jim DeMint and Tom Coburn. They are not "neocons". The "neocons" would even stick to a liberal administration like remora to a shark if there were a liberal in the White House. They just want their agenda to keep moving forward.

No, these fundamentalist nutcases are a species of their own.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
IF the ACLU was not acting in such extreme ways, their opponents would not have to resort to such methods to counter-act.

The existing religion and government interfacing worked well for the first 150+ years. Common sense was applied.

And what happened to change that? Take your 150 year timeframe and that leads us to Prohibition. Hmmm....


Then WWII kind of put a stop to things but it picked right back up in the age of McCarthy.

 

[Fingolfin269]

What is the message here? I'm sure we could scour that web site and find plenty of equally retarded bills on both sides that will never see the floor for a vote. This bill is stupid and any reasonable person who reads the bill should know that it will never be passed.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: conjur
Ah, another diversionary tactic. Attack the messenger and ignore the message.


Go to http://thomas.loc.gov and search for "HR 3799" It's there.

I don't question the source of the bill. I question your source of analysis.

And yes, I'm attacking the messenger, because the messenger is presented a so-far-to-the-left message that it is a joke. People who post ann coulter articles get the same reaction, and rightfully so. If you want to put yourself in the tinfoil crowd, expect to have some turds thrown at you.

You ignorant arrogant putz. Who the hell are you to decide where the truth lies. The chance that the truth is anything you or anybody in the middle even has a glimmer of is vanishingly small. The truth throughout history has been in the province of an exceptional elite few who were resisted persecuted and hated intensely in their time. It is no different now. Your arrogance makes you blind to what is obvious, that the truth is always revolutionary, unexpected, and from a source completely unexpected. Try to sweep up half a brain and realize the truth is never where you are looking. Try get over on the cutting edge of humanity instead of bringing up the rear. Then again you could always carry a cross and nails.

Yes moonbeam, we all know that only by searching our inner soul will we find the truth.*





































*As long as it subscribes to your far-left politics. Otherwise it is arrogance, hate, bigotry, blindness and ignorance.

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: alchemize-whole lotta unnecessary blank space-

Alchemize, Moonie's observation was not that you need to search your inner soul, but that "real" power has always rested in the hands of a few .. hands that are doing things the public is never aware of until decades or centuries later - things that are radical enough that many people don't even believe the extent of the manipulation when they are shown the bold truth. Why don't you get over yourself and actually read something before whining next time.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
IF the ACLU was not acting in such extreme ways, their opponents would not have to resort to such methods to counter-act.

The existing religion and government interfacing worked well for the first 150+ years. Common sense was applied.

And what happened to change that? Take your 150 year timeframe and that leads us to Prohibition. Hmmm....


Then WWII kind of put a stop to things but it picked right back up in the age of McCarthy.

You got my point exactly.

Common sense lost out for political gain.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
IF the ACLU was not acting in such extreme ways, their opponents would not have to resort to such methods to counter-act.

The existing religion and government interfacing worked well for the first 150+ years. Common sense was applied.

And what happened to change that? Take your 150 year timeframe and that leads us to Prohibition. Hmmm....


Then WWII kind of put a stop to things but it picked right back up in the age of McCarthy.

You got my point exactly.

Common sense lost out for political gain.

And it's showing no signs of correcting itself, either. Just look at the charlatan that got re-elected to the White House.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: alchemize-whole lotta unnecessary blank space-

Alchemize, Moonie's observation was not that you need to search your inner soul, but that "real" power has always rested in the hands of a few .. hands that are doing things the public is never aware of until decades or centuries later - things that are radical enough that many people don't even believe the extent of the manipulation when they are shown the bold truth. Why don't you get over yourself and actually read something before whining next time.

OH, I see. So it really was just a rant against the GOP? Point proven. Bite me, conspiracy boy.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: alchemize-whole lotta unnecessary blank space-

Alchemize, Moonie's observation was not that you need to search your inner soul, but that "real" power has always rested in the hands of a few .. hands that are doing things the public is never aware of until decades or centuries later - things that are radical enough that many people don't even believe the extent of the manipulation when they are shown the bold truth. Why don't you get over yourself and actually read something before whining next time.

Actually nothing as grand as that.... I was saying that he should analyze the ideas not try to slap a label on the source as a pretext for understanding because text time Christ may come as a Berkeley Professor.

I am saying that knowledge is rare because people don't look for what the think they already have. That means that any, any, any, any real truth always looks like an insult because it insults the certainty that we already know. You will note that he has already attacked back against my wise words.

And note too that despite his mocking of inner knowledge these facts are in fact only verifiable and observable by looking at yourself. In order to understand who you are you have to actually feel what you feel. People are unconscious of their feelings and that is the invisible prison they are in. They do not know that their real feelings which they despise are the key and you do not know what a key is unless you have operated a lock and opened a door.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Where are all the nutjobs that usually support this kinda crap......

This bill makes me sick.....

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: conjur

Should it pass, it would be the first step in a move to a Christian-based theocracy and would curtail the abilities of the Supreme Court to strike down laws based upon Christian beliefs.

Topic Summary: Constitution Restoration Act of 2004

Of course it is another mislabeled Act - It is really: Constitution Re-writing Act of 2004

 

[rickn]

if anything like this bill ever passed, I could think of no better reason for america to enter into a very bitter and bloody armed conflict. This country is going to hell in a handbag.