what smartphones have the same sensitivity in the touchscreen as Apple?

[Puddle Jumper]

galaxy S is just as responsive, when you're not moving fast. But when you're running through multiple things, that's when you see the Galaxy S chug.

The iPhone would do that too if it actually had the ability to do multiple things without pausing them. Windows Phone 7 is even worse, it has no multitasking whatsoever.

 

[Zen0]

I've used a few of the Galaxy S series and its not as responsive. Even the dual core ones from Moto aren't quite there.

Android users don't quite get GPU acceleration, so unless that happens, it's always going to lag-fest on any Android device.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

this is why phandroids keep drooling about dual quad octa core phones with more RAM than their core i7 desktops.... i mean seriously. what part of Android makes it require more resources to run than a full blown desktop OS like Windows XP? shrug.

galaxy S is just as responsive, when you're not moving fast. But when you're running through multiple things, that's when you see the Galaxy S chug.

Like everyone says... or just a couple of people, the ONLY PHONE that has a UI that's as smooth as APPLE's iphone is WP7.

A lot of people haven't even touched WP7 yet, and only had Android as their device to compare "smoothness". Fact is, I have an EVO 4G. I paid for Launcher Pro. It's faster than HTC Sense. But not as fast as Vanilla Android. And even then, it's still not as fast as iphone nor WP7.

People will deny it, or say it's not a big deal, but it's there, and you feel it!

Dude, Android multitasking isn't even full blown multitasking. This is why task killers are unnecessary. Those apps in the BG aren't really running or using CPU cycles. Android uses pause all the time. The only things that really run are in the notification bar like when you run MeeboIM or something...

 

[TheStu]

The downside/upside to Android is that Google is allowing developers to replace core apps with ones that ARE GPU accelerated.

You want a GPU accelerated browser on Android? The default one sucks, but Opera Mobile (no mini) will pinch zoom or scroll just as smooth as mobile Safari.

You want a GPU accelerated launcher? The default one sucks, but the paid-for Launcher Pro uses the GPU and is as smooth as butter.

Eventually even if Google never fixes the GPU acceleration problems in Android (which is understandable, only Apple and Microsoft have that kind of talent in-house), the third party market will fix most of the problems eventually.

I think that is the first I have ever heard anyone say that Google DIDN'T have boatloads of very talented engineers. Now, I have heard said, and I agree, that they do not have DESIGN talent in house.

People say that Apple overemphasizes Form over Function, which they hold as a mark against them. And I agree to a point that they do often put Form ahead of Function. I just imagine what they could cram into their systems if they weren't quite so obsessed with having the thinnest and lightest (think 15hr battery in the iPad).

But the flip side of that is companies that put Function ahead of Form 9 times out of 10. And that appeals to certain people, which is great, thank goodness those companies are there, and quite frankly, i couldn't care less what product a complete stranger is using (I care with regards to family and friends since I am often their tech support). But I think that overemphasizing Function over Form can be just as bad as doing the opposite. You end up with something that just never quite feels right, that is just never quite done.

As Jobs put it once (and I am pulling from memory) 'People think that design is how it looks, it isn't. Design is how it works'

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Android users don't quite get GPU acceleration, so unless that happens, it's always going to lag-fest on any Android device.

There have been plenty of people talking about GPU acceleration without the slightest clue what it actually entails who aren't Android users.

IMO function over from can actually lead to nice looking devices, ThinkPad laptops are a good example of that.

 

[MrX8503]

The iPhone would do that too if it actually had the ability to do multiple things without pausing them. Windows Phone 7 is even worse, it has no multitasking whatsoever.

I don't think multitasking is the problem, its GPU acceleration. iOS, WP7, or Android, they all could be running one app and the Android device would still be choppier.

Android users don't quite get GPU acceleration, so unless that happens, it's always going to lag-fest on any Android device.

I think its any user who hasn't spent real time with iOS or WP7. I've had a few Android friends who says "Check out how fast this is", and its a lagfest to me. I pull out my iPhone and put it next to the Android device and the iPhone is running circles around it. Thats when they realize the difference.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I don't think multitasking is the problem, its GPU acceleration. iOS, WP7, or Android, they all could be running one app and the Android device would still be choppier.



I think its any user who hasn't spent real time with iOS or WP7. I've had a few Android friends who says "Check out how fast this is", and its a lagfest to me. I pull out my iPhone and put it next to the Android device and the iPhone is running circles around it. Thats when they realize the difference.

Exactly. I've had an iPod Touch in my pocket since 2008. I think I can say with accuracy that iOS has been CONSISTENTLY FASTER from a UI standpoint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbyw_d6d8YY

Too bad Youtube is 30fps. I recorded at 60fps and you can definitely see the iPod Touch far smoother.... Google Maps is a prime example of Android being slow as fuck. Even the Atrix isn't as responsive as my iPod Touch. Perhaps we can attribute this to iOS having a neutered GMaps app.

 

[MrX8503]

GPU acceleration really plays a big role in anything that has to do with video rendering. You can also look at YouTube for example. YouTube HD makes even a powerful CPU work pretty hard, but with acceleration, it alleviates some of those problems. The same can also be said for playing back blu rays on a HTPC or Intel's QuickSync for transcoding.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

GPU acceleration really plays a big role in anything that has to do with video rendering. You can also look at YouTube for example. YouTube HD makes even a powerful CPU work pretty hard, but with acceleration, it alleviates some of those problems. The same can also be said for playing back blu rays on a HTPC or Intel's QuickSync for transcoding.

Well I'm glad Android ahs powerful hardware for me to watch 1080p videos, to play insane games, but how does this matter when basic phone tasks like scrolling through text messages, opening up Facebook all have lag? Shrug. I see powerful hardware as nice, but it's an excuse for non optimization of the OS.

If iOS can run fine on a 600mhz A8 or a 800mhz Apple A4 processor, then why can't Android? We'll put dual core processors in and call it a day, but when you get to higher end OS like the Xoom's Honeycomb, you see hiccups again, kinda like on the Droid. The software has so much bloat the only way to run it is to brute force it with insane hardware. I'd like to see optimized software designed around current hardware with the ability to scale down as well.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

I don't think multitasking is the problem, its GPU acceleration. iOS, WP7, or Android, they all could be running one app and the Android device would still be choppier.

So I'm assuming you considered Vista to be superior to XP? After all Vista was the first version of Windows to have complete GPU acceleration for the UI.

People also need to realize that smoothness isn't speed, iOS might be the smoothest but it's not the fastest.

Also QuickSync and GPU acceleration are completely unrelated. QuickSync is dedicated video transcending hardware while GPU acceleration is simply using the gpu to render the UI instead of the cpu.

 

[MrX8503]

So I'm assuming you considered Vista to be superior to XP? After all Vista was the first version of Windows to have complete GPU acceleration for the UI.

Responsiveness is quite a bit more important in a Touch UI than a Mouse UI. I can tell you one thing though, using the Mac trackpad with smooth web browsing is much more enjoyable than a choppy one on a Windows machine. Its all about response to touch.

People also need to realize that smoothness isn't speed, iOS might be the smoothest but it's not the fastest.

I've been saying that since day one. iOS is not the fastest, however its not that far behind.

Also QuickSync and GPU acceleration are completely unrelated. QuickSync is dedicated video transcending hardware while GPU acceleration is simply using the gpu to render the UI instead of the cpu.

Its unrelated, but it shows you what a GPU can do when it is being used for transcoding.

 

[Zen0]

I don't understand people who put up with their 5 hour Super Atrix 4G or whatever... my iPhone 4 can surf for 10 hours?

Critical things like stability, smooth operations, battery life... there is no point in a normal person buying an Android device because it's like buying a lifted Off-Road truck or a Lotus Elise Sports car - they are good for one or two activities you never really do, and intolerable for the most part.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Responsiveness is quite a bit more important in a Touch UI than a Mouse UI. I can tell you one thing though, using the Mac trackpad with smooth web browsing is much more enjoyable than a choppy one on a Windows machine. Its all about response to touch.



I've been saying that since day one. iOS is not the fastest, however its not that far behind.



Its unrelated, but it shows you what a GPU can do when it is being used for transcoding.

You need to use some better Windows machines the, the browsers on all of my systems are perfectly smooth. It's also worth mentioning that the Firefox 4 developers specifically stated how easy MS made implementing gpu acceleration in Windows and that the Mac and Linux versions took more work.

QuickSync isn't using the gpu per say, it's running on dedicated hardware that just happens to be included with the Sandy Bridge gpu. One of the CUDA based encoders would be closer to what you are saying but it's still not a perfect apples to apples comparison as those are using the gpu to execute general purpose code rather than just render graphics like most UI GPU acceleration would.

I don't understand people who put up with their 5 hour Super Atrix 4G or whatever... my iPhone 4 can surf for 10 hours?

I don't care if your iPhone can browse for 50 hours, I'm never going to spend that much time browsing on a phone in the first place. My Captivate easily lasts me a whole day so anything past that point is useless to me. Besides some of us need or want features the iPhone can't offer.

 

[s44]

Hilarious how a touchscreen sensitivity thread got turned into yet another "we're *smoother*!" iPhan pileup -- as if that's the only thing people are interested in.

Phones as recent as the Nexus One and OG Droid did have slightly inferior capacitive touch response. But stuff since then (like, you know, the Galaxy S) doesn't have the problem.

And the Galaxy S doesn't chug at all if you fix the filesystem.

Btw: the Atrix only lags because of Blur. Blur makes anything lag (as Launcher Pro makes almost anything lagfree).

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm not seeing any lag on my android phone with a stock sense Rom.

Anyone want to tell me what I need to do to see it?

Maps opens up really quickly, quicker than in that YouTube video earlier. Than video opened up instantly as well.

No problems.scrolling through the home screens or down emails in the sense email widget.

I'm posting this from my phone so if you can give me any hints on how to see this it would be cool.

Cheers

 

[Zen0]

You need to use some better Windows machines the, the browsers on all of my systems are perfectly smooth. It's also worth mentioning that the Firefox 4 developers specifically stated how easy MS made implementing gpu acceleration in Windows and that the Mac and Linux versions took more work.

QuickSync isn't using the gpu per say, it's running on dedicated hardware that just happens to be included with the Sandy Bridge gpu. One of the CUDA based encoders would be closer to what you are saying but it's still not a perfect apples to apples comparison as those are using the gpu to execute general purpose code rather than just render graphics like most UI GPU acceleration would.



I don't care if your iPhone can browse for 50 hours, I'm never going to spend that much time browsing on a phone in the first place. My Captivate easily lasts me a whole day so anything past that point is useless to me. Besides some of us need or want features the iPhone can't offer.

Oh Good lord, someone so brainwashed that better battery life is irrelevant!

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Oh Good lord, someone so brainwashed that better battery life is irrelevant!

It's irrelevant to me, and to be blunt I don't really care if you (or Steve Jobs) think my phone needs to have better battery life.

 

[Glitchny]

I'm not seeing any lag on my android phone with a stock sense Rom.

Anyone want to tell me what I need to do to see it?

Maps opens up really quickly, quicker than in that YouTube video earlier. Than video opened up instantly as well.

No problems.scrolling through the home screens or down emails in the sense email widget.

I'm posting this from my phone so if you can give me any hints on how to see this it would be cool.

Cheers

Don't bother, half this thread is littered with trolls now. Also that video was using a Droid1... which is all of 2 Years old now so don't think of it as an accurate depiction of performance. Especially since my current Droid1 is faster than that vid.

 

[bfdd]

While the Droid X doesn't have the prettiest screen, I very much liked the way the touch screen acts.

btw some of the people praising the WP7 ui, I agree. it's by far the best out right now. iOS seems archaic in comparison, although it too is a very solid os.

 

[Fire&Blood]

Oh Good lord, someone so brainwashed that better battery life is irrelevant!

Well then thank the "Good Lord" we have someone who isn't brainwashed or biased, who always uses verified battery life for comparisons and doesn't add words to the names of products he dislikes...

I am on a mission to prove my iphone is the best, everyone must love it and buy it and I won't stop til everyone feels the exact way I do. All other phones are cheap, broken and they suck, lag and have a 2 minute battery life!

Meh

Personal attacks will not be tolerated around here, and neither will the foul language
Moderator TheStu

 

[zerocool84]

Well we know Android loads up many things faster than iOS. Sure it's not a perfectly smooth as iOS but it's still very smooth and I'd take things loading up fast then pretty with more functionality out of the box. Just like with everything, there's upsides and downsides to every platform, we know you have to give up things to get a "smooth" UI.

 

[Zen0]

Well then thank the "Good Lord" we have someone who isn't brainwashed or biased, who always uses verified battery life for comparisons and doesn't add words to the names of products he dislikes...



Meh

Voila

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4163/verizon-iphone-4-review/7

 

[NikolaeVarius]

galaxy S is just as responsive, when you're not moving fast. But when you're running through multiple things, that's when you see the Galaxy S chug.

Like everyone says... or just a couple of people, the ONLY PHONE that has a UI that's as smooth as APPLE's iphone is WP7.

A lot of people haven't even touched WP7 yet, and only had Android as their device to compare "smoothness". Fact is, I have an EVO 4G. I paid for Launcher Pro. It's faster than HTC Sense. But not as fast as Vanilla Android. And even then, it's still not as fast as iphone nor WP7.

People will deny it, or say it's not a big deal, but it's there, and you feel it!

Launcher Pro is miles ahead of stock Android in smoothness

 

[_Aurel_]

Don't bother, half this thread is littered with trolls now. Also that video was using a Droid1... which is all of 2 Years old now so don't think of it as an accurate depiction of performance. Especially since my current Droid1 is faster than that vid.

I brought the same thing up in another thread pointing out the same flaw in his comparison. He basically doesn't want to buy a faster phone, but has no problems buying a faster MP3 player. 😕

 

[Zen0]

Well we know Android loads up many things faster than iOS. Sure it's not a perfectly smooth as iOS but it's still very smooth and I'd take things loading up fast then pretty with more functionality out of the box. Just like with everything, there's upsides and downsides to every platform, we know you have to give up things to get a "smooth" UI.

Launching applications usually happens once every blue moon. It's not giving up much time at all.