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What Should Happen to the Teachers in this Situation?

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OutHouse said:
its maddening isnt it? all i want is for my kid to do is get educated, not to walk in fear every time he goes to school. it really has affected his grades.
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Have you looked at alternatives for education? Moving schools, private school or anything?
 
TalonStrike said:
It definitely seems like you were a bully, Doug.
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Nope, more like I was bullied. But, I fought back and was left alone. I got in trouble a lot because of it, and it took time, but it got better. People ask for options, but don't like them when they're given. If the school won't do anything about the bully, then maybe the problem is being approached in the wrong manner. If changing schools results in a better environment for your kid, then that's the move you need to make. Quit approaching the problem from one angle.
 
TalonStrike said:
That's the problem. They feel as though they have absolutely no responsibility for anything beyond teaching. School is complete anarchy nowadays, with no visible authority or order. It is no wonder that kids behave like little criminals.
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That problem lies with the parents...NOT the teachers.

All too often, teachers are looked at as baby-sitters so both parents can work. The parents take no interest in the child's education beyond occasionally bitching when the kid gets poor grades, they're all too often absent because of work demands, and have no control over what "Johnny" does after school, then whine when "Johnny" gets in trouble or arrested.
 
Too many parents suck at parenting.
Schools aren't allowed to spank or properly discipline the bullies.
Schools don't have the resources to allocate enough teachers or aids to keep the ratio of students to teachers low enough to keep things in order.
 
dougp said:
That sucks. Next option would be to talk to the bullies parents! I hear that always works out! :|
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That hardly ever works. Either the bully's parents will scold him, resulting in more bullying for you kid, or the bully's parents would stupidly try to defend their kid and act like the bully did nothing wrong.
 
Not saying the parents are innocent here. In terms of why the bullies are so screwed up mentally in the first place, it's probably because their dad is in jail or their mother is on drugs or some other screwed up reason. Don't see why its necessary that teachers should allow screwed up kids like that to try to ruin the perfectly decent kids.
 
NY passed the Dignity Act which takes effect on July 1 this year.

It basically says that ALL instances of bullying, etc., *MUST* be dealt with. Though, the only gray area is cyber-bullying that takes place outside of school hours, on non-school issued computers, and off school grounds. If such cyber-bullying takes place, and it can be demonstrated to be having an influence over how a child feels at school, that child's performance, etc., then it very likely is also covered by the new law.

The law holds teachers accountable. If you're a teacher in NY, after July 1, if you see bullying in the hallway, or a student is teased in your class about anything, a student reports bullying to you, etc., you have to deal with it, report it to the school, etc. - OR YOU WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE.

Personally, I'm not about to lose my career for ignoring someone calling someone else "fatso" in the hallway - I'll make sure the situation is dealt with, regardless of the severity (which is what this new act is pushing.) Else, I can be held liable & lose my teaching license. I don't think it will stop all bullying, but I don't think it will take long for it to have a huge effect. In my own district, I really don't foresee there being a huge problem in the transition - except that I can't engage in a little friendly "teasing" either. For fear that the roughly one time a year that a student takes it the wrong way, I'm going to get in trouble for it.

http://www.nysut.org/files/bulletin_20120330_dignityact.pdf
 
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TalonStrike said:
no matter what, it's let's resort to blaming the victim.

you punched the bully? your fault.
you went to your parents or teachers about the problem and that lead to more bullying? your fault.
you couldn't take it any more and committed suicide or homicide? your fault.

All the while the teachers deny any responsibility and act like they have absolutely no control over anything.
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BINGO. And it ain't just happening at schools, either.
 
Completely agree with the way Outhouse is handling his situation. His kid has every right to fight back if someone attacks him.

Talking to the parents in most cases will more likely cause things to get worse.
 
DrPizza said:
NY passed the Dignity Act which takes effect on July 1 this year.

It basically says that ALL instances of bullying, etc., *MUST* be dealt with. Though, the only gray area is cyber-bullying that takes place outside of school hours, on non-school issued computers, and off school grounds. If such cyber-bullying takes place, and it can be demonstrated to be having an influence over how a child feels at school, that child's performance, etc., then it very likely is also covered by the new law.

The law holds teachers accountable. If you're a teacher in NY, after July 1, if you see bullying in the hallway, or a student is teased in your class about anything, a student reports bullying to you, etc., you have to deal with it, report it to the school, etc. - OR YOU WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE.

Personally, I'm not about to lose my career for ignoring someone calling someone else "fatso" in the hallway - I'll make sure the situation is dealt with, regardless of the severity (which is what this new act is pushing.) Else, I can be held liable & lose my teaching license. I don't think it will stop all bullying, but I don't think it will take long for it to have a huge effect. In my own district, I really don't foresee there being a huge problem in the transition - except that I can't engage in a little friendly "teasing" either. For fear that the roughly one time a year that a student takes it the wrong way, I'm going to get in trouble for it.

http://www.nysut.org/files/bulletin_20120330_dignityact.pdf
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I hope none of the kids in your class room have narcolepsy problems. Otherwise, if you start talking about fainting kids, they might be the one to take it the wrong way 🙂
 
OutHouse said:
fuck that shit. i told my son, if some kid punches him you have my full permission to whip his ass and ill deal with the school.

for the first suspension since he threw the fist punch he got punished by me and his TKD master.
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You sound like a great dad. 🙂
 
TalonStrike said:
That hardly ever works. Either the bully's parents will scold him, resulting in more bullying for you kid, or the bully's parents would stupidly try to defend their kid and act like the bully did nothing wrong.
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I only dealt with this issue once when I was growing up. I was in 6th grade and had to ride the bus with some high school kids. Got my ass kicked since they got off at the same stop as me. When I walked in to my house and my dad saw me all bloody, both of us walked over to the kid's house. The dumbass parents attempted to defend their dumbass son. I dont remember exactly what was said, but my dad said something about hanging the son with his belt from a tree in front of his parents if he ever touched me again. And it worked.
 
DrPizza said:
NY passed the Dignity Act which takes effect on July 1 this year.

It basically says that ALL instances of bullying, etc., *MUST* be dealt with. Though, the only gray area is cyber-bullying that takes place outside of school hours, on non-school issued computers, and off school grounds. If such cyber-bullying takes place, and it can be demonstrated to be having an influence over how a child feels at school, that child's performance, etc., then it very likely is also covered by the new law.

The law holds teachers accountable. If you're a teacher in NY, after July 1, if you see bullying in the hallway, or a student is teased in your class about anything, a student reports bullying to you, etc., you have to deal with it, report it to the school, etc. - OR YOU WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE.

Personally, I'm not about to lose my career for ignoring someone calling someone else "fatso" in the hallway - I'll make sure the situation is dealt with, regardless of the severity (which is what this new act is pushing.) Else, I can be held liable & lose my teaching license. I don't think it will stop all bullying, but I don't think it will take long for it to have a huge effect. In my own district, I really don't foresee there being a huge problem in the transition - except that I can't engage in a little friendly "teasing" either. For fear that the roughly one time a year that a student takes it the wrong way, I'm going to get in trouble for it.

http://www.nysut.org/files/bulletin_20120330_dignityact.pdf
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The "pussification" of America continues, eh Doc?

I understand the requirement that teachers try to stop bullying that they SEE, but trying to stop bullying based on complaints?
Whacha supposed to do, give the alleged bully a stern talking to? Write him a sternly worded letter? Hang him up like a pinata and let the "victim" have a go? (the number of trys to be based on a floating scale depending on the severity of the incident?)
 
Until the teachers are held responsible and try to prevent bullying, the best answer is for the kid to punch the dumbass bully.
 
TalonStrike said:
Until the teachers are held responsible and try to prevent bullying, the best answer is for the kid to punch the dumbass bully.
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What's next? Are you suggesting that the police should be held liable for failing to prevent crime?

If you're a victim of bullying, it's on YOU to learn to defend yourself enough to stop the bullying.
 
BoomerD said:
What's next? Are you suggesting that the police should be held liable for failing to prevent crime?

If you're a victim of bullying, it's on YOU to learn to defend yourself enough to stop the bullying.
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Apples to oranges. A school is a closed environment, and the teachers are supposed to be adults.
 
sixone said:
Apples to oranges. A school is a closed environment, and the teachers are supposed to be adults.
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A poor argument if only because schools are NOT a closed environment. Students get 'choppered in,' pursue their mission and, get evac'ed around 1500. Why does that sound familiar? :sneaky:
 
MagnusTheBrewer said:
A poor argument if only because schools are NOT a closed environment. Students get 'choppered in,' pursue their mission and, get evac'ed around 1500. Why does that sound familiar? :sneaky:
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Only teachers and faculty are responsible for the students between the time they're "choppered in" and "evac'ed".
 
BoomerD said:
What's next? Are you suggesting that the police should be held liable for failing to prevent crime?

If you're a victim of bullying, it's on YOU to learn to defend yourself enough to stop the bullying.
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What a completely absurd statement. Stop blaming the victim. That accomplishes nothing.

Your comparison to the police is completely ludicrous. If a policeman sees someone committing a crime, YES, he should try to prevent it.

If a teacher sees a student bullying another student, YES, he should do everything in his ability to stop it.
 
sixone said:
Only teachers and faculty are responsible for the students between the time they're "choppered in" and "evac'ed".
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Ah but, they've received 'orders and mandates' detailing their level of acceptable 'casualties,' I mean drop outs/risk management, from superiors in places far, far away. And when the students return to base, those 'orders and mandates' are often directly countermanded by those authorities.

Hyperbole aside, a parent's responsibility does not end nor, is it superseded by, the responsibility of all adults everywhere to keep children safe.
 
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