What Should Happen to the Teachers in this Situation?

[TalonStrike]

ok, say that some kid is getting bullied and harassed on a daily basis at school. He asks the teachers and school administrators for help, but they ignore him. His parents get involved and the teachers and school administrators still ignore the situation, and act like the kid should put up with bullying because they think that it is normal in schools. The bullying is extensive and unrelenting. Then, the kid finally can't take it anymore, and goes on a shooting spree at the school, leaving dozens dead, including himself.

What should happen to the teachers in this situation?

 

[BoomerD]

Nothing. Why do you think they COULD stop said bullying?

At best, they might be able to slow it down on campus, but at the cost of the victim being also labeled a snitch and get even more harassment.

 

[dougp]

The same thing that should happen to the parents, because they're being expected to parent the kids. Obviously the parents didn't do anything else besides complaining to the teachers and administrators. Heaven forbid talking to the bully's parents or approaching it in another way. If the bullying was that big of an issue and it stopped at the parents, then it's their fault as much as it is for the teachers.

 

[Anubis]

why do you assume the kid didnt take them out as well?

 

[TalonStrike]

why do you assume the kid didnt take them out as well?

He shot the people bullying him.

 

[TalonStrike]

Nothing. Why do you think they COULD stop said bullying?

At best, they might be able to slow it down on campus, but at the cost of the victim being also labeled a snitch and get even more harassment.

Not saying that they for sure could, but in this situation, they didn't even try to stop it.

 

[FoBoT]

schools get sued all the time for failure to protect the safety of children when bullying occurs
http://www.sunshineslate.com/2012/04/10/broward-county-school-board-sued-bullying/

[Cooper City, FL] A Pioneer Middle School student has brain damage and is suicidal following an attack by bullies, say the attorneys who have filed a lawsuit against the Broward County School Board.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/School-Bully-Calhoun-Prep-Eric-Giray-Lawsuit-143956046.html

A 19-year-old man is suing the elite Manhattan prep school he attended as a kid for allegedly failing to address persistent bullying he claims ultimately forced him to transfer to a public school.

any school that doesn't take bullying seriously is likely to get sued and lose some $$$, at the least due to defending the cases

 

[ichy]

The problem is that we no longer teach kids to stand up & punch bullies in the face. Sure they could still win a fair fight but bullies are by definition cowards who look for easy targets.

 

[SlitheryDee]

They should be fired for neglecting their duty as teachers.

 

[sixone]

The problem is that we no longer teach kids to stand up & punch bullies in the face. Sure they could still win a fair fight but bullies are by definition cowards who look for easy targets.

That is true. But what's even worse is that we turn around and punish the kid who punched the bully in the face.

 

[Lifted]

The parents of the bullies should then start bullying the parents of the pathetic loser who couldn't stick up for himself and resorted to mass murder. It's obviosuly their fault for raising such a demented psycho who couldn't deal with life.

 

[Jaepheth]

Obviously they should be made to eat the victims.

 

[OutHouse]

The same thing that should happen to the parents, because they're being expected to parent the kids. Obviously the parents didn't do anything else besides complaining to the teachers and administrators. Heaven forbid talking to the bully's parents or approaching it in another way. If the bullying was that big of an issue and it stopped at the parents, then it's their fault as much as it is for the teachers.

what exactly would you want the parents to do other than complain to the school?

 

[TalonStrike]

The parents of the bullies should then start bullying the parents of the pathetic loser who couldn't stick up for himself and resorted to mass murder. It's obviosuly their fault for raising such a demented psycho who couldn't deal with life.

So it's his fault he was bullied? And as far a being a demented psycho, yes, the years of extensive bullying turned him into a demented psycho. Not his fault he was bullied. Not his fault the teachers did nothing to stop it. It could have all been avoided.

 

[TalonStrike]

That is true. But what's even worse is that we turn around and punish the kid who punched the bully in the face.

no matter what, it's let's resort to blaming the victim.

you punched the bully? your fault.
you went to your parents or teachers about the problem and that lead to more bullying? your fault.
you couldn't take it any more and committed suicide or homicide? your fault.

All the while the teachers deny any responsibility and act like they have absolutely no control over anything.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

They should be fired for neglecting their duty as teachers.

Public school teachers are not sensei, they have no obligation beyond teaching to the best of their ability. That said, their names should be made public so that the community will know the value of their character.

 

[spaceman]

Teacher there are things that I dont want to learn
And the last one I had made me cry
So I dont wanna learn to hold you,touch yoUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

 

[TalonStrike]

Public school teachers are not sensei, they have no obligation beyond teaching to the best of their ability. That said, their names should be made public so that the community will know the value of their character.

That's the problem. They feel as though they have absolutely no responsibility for anything beyond teaching. School is complete anarchy nowadays, with no visible authority or order. It is no wonder that kids behave like little criminals.

 

[OutHouse]

The problem is that we no longer teach kids to stand up & punch bullies in the face. Sure they could still win a fair fight but bullies are by definition cowards who look for easy targets.

we can not do that. My son has been suspended twice this year for kicking his bullies ass. first time was a 3 day suspension because my kid threw the first punch. the second time was last month and he got 1 day because another bully attacked him when the teacher walked out of the classroom for something and he fought back and laid out the bully. My son is in the 7th grade and he has had problems with bullies since the 3rd grade. we enrolled him in a TKD studio two years ago and is training for his black-belt. he told me at the beginning of this year that he is done being picked on and will defend himself.

when i went to the school to get him for the second suspension, the Dean of students told me flat out that the when the victim throws a punch or fights back out of self defense he is "fighting" and by district policy he has to punish the victim. what the kids have to do to avoid trouble from the school is to run away and tell a teacher.

those are words straight from the dean of students at my kids school.

fuck that shit. i told my son, if some kid punches him you have my full permission to whip his ass and ill deal with the school.

for the first suspension since he threw the fist punch he got punished by me and his TKD master.

 

[TalonStrike]

we can not do that. My son has been suspended twice this year for kicking his bullies ass. first time was a 3 day suspension because my kid threw the first punch. the second time was last month and he got 1 day because another bully attacked him when the teacher walked out of the classroom for something and he fought back and laid out the bully. My son is in the 7th grade and he has had problems with bullies since the 3rd grade. we enrolled him in a TKD studio two years ago and is training for his black-belt. he told me at the beginning of this year that he is done being picked on and will defend himself.

when i went to the school to get him for the second suspension, the Dean of students told me flat out that the when the victim throws a punch or fights back out of self defense he is "fighting" and by district policy he has to punish the victim. what the kids have to do to avoid trouble from the school is to run away and tell a teacher.

those are words straight from the dean of students at my kids school.

The way it is set up in schools, it actually rewards violence.

Punch the bully? Get a 3 day vacation.
Snitch to the teachers? Prepare for even worse bullying.

 

[FoBoT]

outhouse, i am in a similar situation. at this point, i'd rather get a call from the school that my kid was in trouble for punching the bullies, instead of the teacher's just whining to me about my kid disrupting class verbally when responding to threats/bullies taunts

the bullies play the system and often avoid being disciplined

 

[OutHouse]

outhouse, i am in a similar situation. at this point, i'd rather get a call from the school that my kid was in trouble for punching the bullies, instead of the teacher's just whining to me about my kid disrupting class verbally when responding to threats/bullies taunts

the bullies play the system and often avoid being disciplined

its maddening isnt it? all i want is for my kid to do is get educated, not to walk in fear every time he goes to school. it really has affected his grades.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

That's the problem. They feel as though they have absolutely no responsibility for anything beyond teaching. School is complete anarchy nowadays, with no visible authority or order. It is no wonder that kids behave like little criminals.

Some would say that is the condition of our society in general. The changes in American society from the dark ages when I grew up are many (some good, many bad) but, instead of dealing with the issues as a nation, we have fractured our communities to the point where most interactions are done through electronic media by functionally illiterate citizens. Perhaps the borders of the world's nations should be redefined by the coverage of data plans?

It is all of our responsibility to make the society we live in safe and functional else, why choose to live in it?

 

[dougp]

what exactly would you want the parents to do other than complain to the school?

Exactly what you have taught your kid to do, fight back. When you, as a parent, do what the OP says - you show your kid that they have a limited path, and that they should give up if things don't go their way. Showing your kid that there's more than one solution, even if it results in something stupid like being suspended, will put them in a position on what to expect in life. I'd rather be called in to pick my kid up for suspension than to be told my kid killed someone and then themselves. Bullying is a simple fact of life - it's survival of the fittest. You either adapt and overcome, or you succumb. It's not always black and white like that, but meh - nothing is ever that simple.

 

[OutHouse]

Exactly what you have taught your kid to do, fight back. When you, as a parent, do what the OP says - you show your kid that they have a limited path, and that they should give up if things don't go their way. Showing your kid that there's more than one solution, even if it results in something stupid like being suspended, will put them in a position on what to expect in life. I'd rather be called in to pick my kid up for suspension than to be told my kid killed someone and then themselves. Bullying is a simple fact of life - it's survival of the fittest. You either adapt and overcome, or you succumb. It's not always black and white like that, but meh - nothing is ever that simple.

fair enough.