What role did intel play in the NSA backdoor debacle...

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...considering intel's CEO was on Obama's technical advisory board?

This thread is unjustifiably stupid, and you should feel bad for creating it.
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LurchFrinky said:
Ahh, got me!
I clicked on the thread before looking to see who started it!
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Agreed, it seems fairly obvious that intel would be collaborating in some way.

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Ah ninja edit... your original post was much better.
 
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I'm not sure how you can expect anybody here to answer that. Do you have any relevant facts and reading material that would suggest Intel deliberately placed NSA backdoors on their software or processors or security products? Otherwise, you are just dreaming up long-shot what-if scenarios for the sake of bashing Intel.

And if you really don't have any relevant facts/reports/data that suggest Intel was complicit or directly assisted the NSA, then the answer is straightforward: Even though we can never know what happens behind closed door meetings of Obama's technical advisory board, most probably nothing, Intel played no role. If there really was a bombshell revelation such as "Intel helped NSA spy on US Citizens", I'm pretty sure Ed Snowden & The Guardian would have put out that headline already, and Intel would be losing some big name customers.
 
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jvroig said:
I'm not sure how you can expect anybody here to answer that. Do you have any relevant facts and reading material that would suggest Intel deliberately placed NSA backdoors on their software or processors or security products? Otherwise, you are just dreaming up long-shot what-if scenarios for the sake of bashing Intel.

And if you really don't have any relevant facts/reports/data that suggest Intel was complicit or directly assisted the NSA, then the answer is straightforward: Even though we can never know what happens behind closed door meetings of Obama's technical advisory board, most probably nothing, Intel played no role. If there really was a bombshell revelation such as "Intel helped NSA spy on US Citizens", I'm pretty sure Ed Snowden & The Guardian would have put out that headline already, and Intel would be losing some big name customers.
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Yeah well, i'm sure there are more than 100 'what if' posts on this forum in the last year alone. This is no more bashing than the others were/are. It's a question worth contemplating, considering intel's involvement with Obama's administration. Saying there wasn't any, well, just because, isn't exactly convincing either.
Also, there was reports out of California a few weeks ago claiming backdoors in intel products, among others. I suspect this report to be an icebreaker, and 'the others' were grouped in for damage control.
Considering the NSA scandal, I don't think any reasonable person would not be suspicious of a CEO of a major Dow component being named to the administration's advisory board.

*takes cover... incoming drones?*
 
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My only question is what in the world does this have to do with this forum's topic of CPUs and overclocking? You do know that there's a forum specifically for politics.
 
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Khato said:
My only question is what in the world does this have to do with this forum's topic of CPUs and overclocking? You do know that there's a forum specifically for politics.
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Well said!
 
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Khato said:
My only question is what in the world does this have to do with this forum's topic of CPUs and overclocking? You do know that there's a forum specifically for politics.
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It's not about politics, it's about the possibility of the implementation of backdoors within the hardware. The politics is just the means to that possibility.
 
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piesquared said:
It's not about politics, it's about the possibility of the implementation of backdoors within the hardware. The politics is just the means to that possibility. Of course it will likely be moved though considering it doesn't look good for intel.
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Good Grief.. This is very political. Should be moved.
 
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On topic forum wise , Intels CPUs have on chip serial numbers
while AMD ones have not...
 
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Considering Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, Skype, cell phone carriers and many others are all complicit and on board with this continuing crime, probably Intel do have some involvement in some manner or another. Could be as simple as supplying hardware to the facilities doing the monitoring of course.

Thread is pointless and inflammatory though, as no entity forced to comply with this garbage can even talk about it. Did you expect an Intel rep to hop in and tell us ?
 
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Yeah the 'rumor' was basically a guy speculating why Intel and AMD were missing from the PRISM scandal and then saying they would have to be involved (because, conspiracy theories are fun).

Not a lot of meat there.
 
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piesquared said:
It's not about politics, it's about the possibility of the implementation of backdoors within the hardware. The politics is just the means to that possibility.
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Oh, so that's what it's about? You might have considered mentioning that aspect of your conspiracy theory to at least give it a tangential purpose in this forum rather than simply naming Intel and Otellini.
 
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Khato said:
Oh, so that's what it's about? You might have considered mentioning that aspect of your conspiracy theory to at least give it a tangential purpose in this forum rather than simply naming Intel and Otellini.
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Say what??? Did you stop reading after "It's not about politics", where I specifically wrote "it's about the possibility of the implementation of backdoors within the hardware. The politics is just the means to that possibility."?

How could you miss that part when you quoted the whole thing in your post? It's entertaining when people throw the conspiracy flag around when they have no valid rebuttal. I see your 'conspiracy' and raise you 2 'red flags'!

What could Otellini be advising the administration on? Which CPU's to buy for the federal Government?

Anyway, perhaps this thread is now best suited for the politics section. I refuse to post there since I despise most politicians even more than intel, which hardly seems possible. lol
 
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piesquared said:
What could Otellini be advising the administration on? Which CPU's to buy for the federal Government?
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How to successfully run an administration would be my guess. Notice they didn't invite any failed amd execs...
 
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What exactly does CPUs have to do with decrypting traffic through big routers\switches and how companies share data with NSA?

Piesquared's Tinfoil hat is legendary.
 
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piesquared said:
You'll likely also notice that AMD isn't a monopoly...
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So, running a company into the ground doesn't make it profitable? Imagine my surprise. Wait, does that mean that paying ~5x the net worth for a company like ATI is also not a good idea?
 
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Why does this thread exist? There are no facts here and just speculation on part of the OP. I'd say this is a troll conspiracy theory thread.

I dare say this doesn't even meet the minimal requirements to be a P+N conspiracy theory thread. And that's saying something.
 
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myocardia said:
So, running a company into the ground doesn't make it profitable? Imagine my surprise. Wait, does that mean that paying ~5x the net worth for a company like ATI is also not a good idea?
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So, competing against an abusive monopoly 10X the size is a difficult environment? Imagine my surprise. Wait, does that mean bundling your substandard, anemic graphics processors with your abusive monopoly driven CPU sales good for consumers?

Fortunately for consumers, a high performance, highly efficient, highly adopted open standard and platform is entering the market. I'm sure you've no objections.
 
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