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What right does the US have to request that Arafat be removed from office?

NFS4

NFS4

No Lifer
You can't deal with him, so get rid of him?

Can someone explain to me in what rulebook says that we can request to get rid of any leader that we can't get along with? 😛
 
You can't deal with people who dont want to listen. If he is in office, nothing will ever change. I dont care if they have the "right" to do that, but someone should kick him the hell out of office.
 
Don't they have elections coming up over there?? If so, why can't the people decide instead of us demanding that he be kicked out?

We've got enough problems to worry about besides babysitting Israelis and Palestinians.
 
President Bush dont have the right but he can say whatever he wants to. If our government keeps acting like the bully we had been in the middle east. Sooner or later another 9/11 will happen <---you can count on it. 🙁 Then again. you'll ask why are we getting ourselves involved in the middleeast if there aint any benefits? "OIL" thats basically the only thing the middle east have.


--Scsi
 
the US has no right to say so and so has to go, well, except Saddam, and almost everyone agrees that guy is just a madman. The US should just continue to secretly support opposition groups in those countries. When Bush or members of our government make such flamboyant statements, such as the axis of evil, the only thing it says to the rest of the world is that we are just a bunch of warmongers. As with most warmongering countries, past and present, you eventually get taken down a notch or two.
 
What right does Arafat have to lead a group of people by encouraging terrorism? He is not doing a very good job for the Palestinian people and I think it's time for someone else to take a shot (excuse the pun) at it. If no one else is smart enough to see that, I'm glad at least the US does. Remember, what happens in one country affects people everywhere. And Arafat, through encouraging terrorims (or at least not discouraging it), is affecting many people who he does not have a right to affect. So a country (or its allies) that is being attacked by any world leader has every right to want to get rid of that leader.
 
Can someone explain to me in what rulebook says that we can request to get rid of any leader that we can't get along with?
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How about the rule that says that if you want our help in establishing a soveriegn nation, perhaps you should listen carefully to what it is that we would, or belive to be required to actually accomplish the goal of lasting peace.

President Bush has every right to dictate the terms under which we would commit the time and resources to helping to establish a Palestinian nation. The Palestinians don't have to heed our "advice" or request, the decision is theirs alone.

My question to the Palestinians would be "what has Arafat actually done to provide you with freedom and security?" IMNSHO Arafat doesn't seem to be very deserving to lead his people, and if he's "re-elected" to be dictator again that might make a statement about the "pride" these people might feel, but would also make a much stronger statement regarding their intelligence.
 
Originally posted by: Ameesh
what right did ceaser have when he crossed the rubicon?



i'll let you ponder that first.
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can someone pass cheney a dagger then - assuming he doesnt already have a few
 
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Come on, you can admit it: this is just an effort to entice KAMAZON out of his lair, isn't it?
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Dont you mean closet? 🙂

j/k
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
Don't they have elections coming up over there?? If so, why can't the people decide instead of us demanding that he be kicked out?

We've got enough problems to worry about besides babysitting Israelis and Palestinians.
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They did not have free and fair elections in 1996. They were supposed to have elections in 2001 but Arafat "postponed" them.
 
We have the bigger stick in the playground, that is what gives us the right. Lets not kid ourselves here... In world politics there isn't a set of rules.

Ryan
 
The Palestinians are so outraged at the Israeli leaders that they believe Arafat is not strong enough! Arafat has rounded up Hamas leaders and many palestinians are outraged at this because they feel Arafat is kissing the West's butt too much. If he isn't elected, there's a chance that someone like a Humas leader could become their leader and there would be 2x the palestianian uprising that there is now!

This is not about Democracy for the palestinian people. Sharon has long said that he doesn't want to deal with arafat, and the two have a long history of hatred for each other, and this is the US kissing Sharon's @ss. It could backfire bigtime tho if someone more extreme replace arafat.

There won't be progress tho until Arafat and Sharon leave their leadership posts.
 
We have the right to say that we won't deal with certain leaders, just as every other state on the planet has the right to say that they won't deal with President Bush.
 
What right does Arafat have to lead a group of people by encouraging terrorism?
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He is the chosen leader of the Palestinian people, that is what right he has. I've never seen any proof that directly links Arafat to terrorism. White man subjugated entire races into slavery, so save your little quips about terrorism for someone who buys it.

We have the bigger stick in the playground, that is what gives us the right. Lets not kid ourselves here... In world politics there isn't a set of rules
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And the bully usually gets stabbed in the back eventually. We interfere in the internal affairs of other countries way to much. Warmongers.

Of course when the president of the US says something, you never argue with a man who's response will be "you and what army?"
 
It's quite funny that people treat Arafat like he's some sort of statesman. The fact of the matter is that wherever he goes (whether that be Jordan, Lebanon, or the Palestinian Territories) he brings with him misery and death.

EDIT: He has done nothing to better the lives of the Palestinians people.
 
What right does the US have to request that Arafat be removed from office?
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The same right that Arafat has to say in response, "Hey George, kiss my ass."

I kinda doubt that either man would expect the other to snap to attention and comply with their request, however.
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
You can't deal with him, so get rid of him?

Can someone explain to me in what rulebook says that we can request to get rid of any leader that we can't get along with? 😛
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Here is the reason: The United States has evidence that Mr. Arafat covertly supports terrorism by his own inaction. Instead of labeling him a terrorist and summarily killing him which would further destabilize the middleast, we have taken the path of lesser resistance in the context of ousting him through the creation of Palestinian state through a democratic process.

get it?
 
First of all, Bush never mentioned Arafat's name in his speech. He simpy said that the Palestinian people need to choose a leader that "is not compromised by terror." So far Arafat has been around for many years and has done nothing for the Palestinian people. It is unfortunate that things have gotten to the point of "tooth for a tooth, eye for an eye" mentality. Now when you talk about Hamas, they don't understand the concept of compromise. That goes for the Israeli's too. The fact is you have to war hardened people that are leaders but are very stubborn. Also since the formation of the Palestinian Authority, there have been no improvements to the Palestinian's life. It has ended up as a corrupt organization with a few powerful people with no vision other than a dead Israeli is a good one (of course the Israeli's may feel the same way about Palestinian). To me as an American, we have to think of the children of Palestine and Israel. What will they end up doing? We alrady have young people blowing themselves up. Lives are wasted for what goal? Neither side has acheived moving closer to anything. The biggest revelation is the United States vision of a Palestinian state. Is this not the ultimate goal of the Arafat? They should build on this and work out the details later.
 
If you believe that Arafat shouldn't step down, you hate the Israelis more than you care about the lives of the Palestinian people.
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No, because I believe he is only part of the problem. I'd like to see him and Sharon both gone. I think Sharon is a racist. When you call for leaders to step down, you better damn well make sure there are viable candidates to fill that void, and ones that won't be coined US puppets. We call on Saddam to be ousted, yet his replacements are often described as being even more hardline/evil than he his.
 
Originally posted by: Vespasian
If you believe that Arafat shouldn't step down, you hate the Israelis more than you care about the lives of the Palestinian people.
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To tell you the truth, I don't care more for one over the other. Better yet, really think nothing of either one of them. And who said anything about hating Israelis? Oh I forgot, if you don't suck up to the Isralies here, you are an Arafat follower😉

Also, it's one thing to say that you don't care for a particular leader...it's a completely different thing to say that you should leave his own people out of th edecision and have him removed from office.
 
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