What rifle to buy

[bockchow]

for iron sights you'd have alot of fun with an old .30-30 lever action. or whatever round you like. lever actions can be found for cheap even brand new. i don't think an ar15 is what your looking for and as an owner of an SKS it's also not what you need. a good pump shotgun would be a good way to go as well. Viper GTS just picked up a benelli nova pump for just under 300, it's a realy nice shotgun.

 

[Analog]

bolt action .22

 

[Vee]

If it came down to it the woman needs to be able to shoot it so a lesser kick would be ideal but mostly im looking for cheap.

A (rather mad) retired sergeant major thought it was great fun to start me shooting at a very early age. "Only thing a woman can best a man in, kid". I came very close to fainting from pain once or twice, but I had put the stock to my shoulder wrongly. Prone position, steel shod military butt, no rubber pad. I've never been much bothered by recoil, otherwise. He started me off on full size military rifle caliber. I shot my first 300m rifle competition when I was 13, or maybe I had just turned 14. I've shot all kinds of things through the years, and also competed with pistols. But I've remained partial to bolt action rifles and long ranges. Most Remington 700 series are very accurate and good value.

All that said, considering both ammunition costs and range requirements, I think you should get yourself a .22LR, as a first rifle. I also think you should get yourself a bolt action. They are easy to understand, and inherently safe (unless you're stupid enough to keep a round in the chamber).
The most important aspect of shooting is familiarity and practice. .22LR will translate into a lot of practice because it's much cheaper than centerfire cartridges, and you don't need long ranges.

The most important aspects of practicing, are safety routines and trigger pull. Learn how to do a proper trigger pull and practice it always. It takes years to develop a really expert trigger pull, but some 100 rounds a week, will get you basic competence in just a few months (provided you consciously practice it). Idiots jerk the trigger when they feel the sights look good. They never learn to shoot and the world seem to be full of them. They stare at you as if you come from Mars, when you put all your shots into 1½ inch group, offhand - .38 revolver - 25yards, and have no clue to how it is possible. (- It's all in the trigger pull, morons!)
Please, do yourself a favor and learn to do it the right way, from the start! People seem to have enormous difficulties, getting rid of bad habits later.

So I agree with yellowfiero - .22 bolt action.
I don't know much about cheap .22 boltactions. Kimbers are sweet, but kinda Rolls Royce market segment. Ruger 77/22 if you feel like spending, I guess, but I would vaguely point you in the direction of Marlin and Savage. But I really don't know anything about them.

Auto .22 are of course cheaper though. Ruger 10/22 is the obvious choice, as has already been recommended here a lot. But I don't like autos. You have to pay a lot of attention to handle them safely.

If you want a rifle for out doors protection, rather than sport/competition/hunting, - lever action .30-30, or .44 magnum (recoil is about the same, but .30-30 is more powerful). They are less rugged, cruder, less accurate, but more speedy, than bolt actions.
For home defense, make that lever action some pistol caliber, .38 or .44 special. .44 Magnum is way too much from a rifle barrel, indoors.

There's no point in any military assault rifle. Triggers and sights are so bad, you'll never learn to shoot properly. They are also ungainly, crude, ugly, inaccurate and socially offensive.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: tec699
please don't buy a gun.

Please don't practice your right to free speech.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Allio
I hope you don't have kids.

It simply amazes me that the same liberals who claim that "Just say no" and abstinence will not work for drugs and sex, will turn around and claim that total ignorance will work for guns.

Children raised to properly respect and handle firearms are far less likely to have accidents with them.

My biggest fear would not be my own children, but their friends who may come from families such as yours.

Finally, your child is less likely to die from a firearm accident than they are from drowning in a mop bucket.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Allio
I hope you don't have kids.

Where Were You (When The World Stopped Turning)

By Alan Jackson

Where were you when the world stop turning on that September day

Were you in the yard with your wife and children

Or working on some stage in L.A.

Did you stand there in shock at the sight of that black smoke

Rising against that blue sky

Did you shout out in anger, in fear for your neighbor

Or did you just sit down and cry

Did you weep for the children who lost their dear loved ones

And pray for the ones who don't know

Did you rejoice for the people who walked from the rubble

And sob for the ones left below

Did you burst out in pride for the red, white and blue

And the heroes who died just doin' what they do

Did you look up to heaven for some kind of answer

And look at yourself and what really matters

Chorus:

I'm just a singer of simple songs

I'm not a real political man

I watch CNN but I'm not sure I could

Tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran

But I know Jesus and I talk to God

And I remember this from when I was young

Faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us

And the greatest is love

Verse:

Where were you when the world stop turning on that September day

Teaching a class full of innocent children

Or driving down some cold interstate

Did you feel guilty 'cause you're a survivor

In a crowded room did you feel alone

Did you call up your mother and tell her you loved her

Did you dust off that bible at home

Did you open your eyes, hope it never happened

And you close your eyes and not go to sleep

Did you notice the sunset the first time in ages

Or speak to some stranger on the street

Did you lay down at night and think of tomorrow

Go out and buy you a gun

Did you turn off that violent old movie you're watchin'

And turn on "I Love Lucy" reruns

Did you go to a church and hold hands with some strangers

Stand in line and give your own blood

Did you just stay home and cling tight to your family

Thank God you had somebody to love

Why yes I did go out & buy a another gun..... And a whole lot of gun haters did too...

 

[MAME]

it should be "Which rifle to buy", just to let you know. It's a common mistake, no biggie

 

[element]

Why would anyone hate a gun? it levels the playing field among neanderthals and civilized folk.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Vee
There's no point in any military assault rifle. Triggers and sights are so bad, you'll never learn to shoot properly. They are also ungainly, crude, ugly, inaccurate and socially offensive.

Ummm... you can argue the aestetics of the AR-15, but it is not inaccurate, and frankly if someone finds it socially offensive, screw'em.

Plus if you dont like the sights or the trigger group, you have a huge aftermarket to choose a replacement from. Ditto for just about every part of the AR-15.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Vee
There's no point in any military assault rifle. Triggers and sights are so bad, you'll never learn to shoot properly. They are also ungainly, crude, ugly, inaccurate and socially offensive.

Ummm... you can argue the aestetics of the AR-15, but it is not inaccurate, and frankly if someone finds it socially offensive, screw'em.

Plus if you dont like the sights or the trigger group, you have a huge aftermarket to choose a replacement from. Ditto for just about every part of the AR-15.

Yep, my M-16 was the most accurate non-scoped rifle I had ever shot. I missed that weapon terribly when I left the army.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Vee
There's no point in any military assault rifle. Triggers and sights are so bad, you'll never learn to shoot properly. They are also ungainly, crude, ugly, inaccurate and socially offensive.

Ummm... you can argue the aestetics of the AR-15, but it is not inaccurate, and frankly if someone finds it socially offensive, screw'em.

Plus if you dont like the sights or the trigger group, you have a huge aftermarket to choose a replacement from. Ditto for just about every part of the AR-15.

Yep, my M-16 was the most accurate non-scoped rifle I had ever shot. I missed that weapon terribly when I left the army.

What kind of groupings were you getting? I would have assumed the M193 (or were you in when they introduced M855?) would have opened up your MOA considerably.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Vee
There's no point in any military assault rifle. Triggers and sights are so bad, you'll never learn to shoot properly. They are also ungainly, crude, ugly, inaccurate and socially offensive.

Ummm... you can argue the aestetics of the AR-15, but it is not inaccurate, and frankly if someone finds it socially offensive, screw'em.

Plus if you dont like the sights or the trigger group, you have a huge aftermarket to choose a replacement from. Ditto for just about every part of the AR-15.

Yep, my M-16 was the most accurate non-scoped rifle I had ever shot. I missed that weapon terribly when I left the army.

What kind of groupings were you getting? I would have assumed the M193 (or were you in when they introduced M855?) would have opened up your MOA considerably.

I don't remember. I was in from '86-'90. That was a long time ago. I just remember being very impressed with the accuracy and scoring 39 out of 40 and 40 out of 40 on my range tests.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: K1052
I am assuming you are considering this for self defense reasons.

AR-15.

Low recoil, accurate, very good sights, and has high capacity mags at reasonable prices. It is a good rifle to learn on.

Go with one of the better makers: Bushmaster or Rock River Arms. Both make excellent rifles.
A base model will run about $650.


AK clones can be had for closer to $300. They will have more recoil and worse sights, but are as reliable as it gets.

That's a horrible suggestion for self defense. It is not concealable and would penetrate many walls easily with lethal force. A handgun would be a much better choice for a home/self defense weapon. Or a shotgun if funds are tight.

Did he explain what the exact use for the firearm was going to be? No, he did not.
Did he explain what setting said firearm would most likely be used in? No, he did not.

He asked about rifles, so that ruled out any suggestions I may have had for handguns/shotguns.

I took a guess at what might be of interest. I did not include the 10/22 because several posters had already suggested it.

 

[Pathogen03]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: tec699
please don't buy a gun.

Please pull your lower lip over your head and swallow.

Oh come on dont be a dick. He was expressing his opinion in a surprisingly non-flaming way.

He didnt try to insult anyone or anything..

 

[Pathogen03]

Btw, for home defence just put one of these in your yard.
http://www.heckler-koch.de/html/english/behoerden/06_grenademachinegun/06_01_index.html
You will never have to defend your home.

These will deter everything from Soccer Moms driving steel-plated SUVs to hordes of drunk teenagers looking for bush to pee in.

 

[Vee]

Originally posted by: Mookow
Ummm... you can argue the aestetics of the AR-15, but it is not inaccurate,...

Ok. And thank you. I overextended in biased zeal.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Vee

Originally posted by: Mookow
Ummm... you can argue the aestetics of the AR-15, but it is not inaccurate,...

Ok. And thank you. I overextended in biased zeal.

It's nice to see someone actually admit to being biased here on ATOT, and then say they were wrong. However rare it may be here, I dont think I've ever seen it in ATP&N.

I think that's worth a 6 pack:
:beer::beer::beer:
:beer::beer::beer:

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Pathogen03

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: tec699
please don't buy a gun.

Please pull your lower lip over your head and swallow.

Oh come on dont be a dick. He was expressing his opinion in a surprisingly non-flaming way.

He didnt try to insult anyone or anything..

He's been such an ignorant retard in so many gun threads, I don't care if he's inoffensive every now and then. I insult him on sight.

As for a nice .22 rifle, I like the Remington 552 Speedmaster. I inherited mine from my grandfather, and it is amazingly accurate with just the iron sights. Put a scope on it, and you can trim someone's toenails with it. I am not sure how the modern ones are, they have some features that mine doesn't, but I wouldn't trade mine for anything.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: Pathogen03
Oh come on dont be a dick. He was expressing his opinion in a surprisingly non-flaming way.

He didnt try to insult anyone or anything..

He's been such an ignorant retard in so many gun threads, I don't care if he's inoffensive every now and then. I insult him on sight.

As for a nice .22 rifle, I like the Remington 552 Speedmaster. I inherited mine from my grandfather, and it is amazingly accurate with just the iron sights. Put a scope on it, and you can trim someone's toenails with it. I am not sure how the modern ones are, they have some features that mine doesn't, but I wouldn't trade mine for anything.

So you wouldnt trade one for a nice silenced MP5/10?

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: Pathogen03
Oh come on dont be a dick. He was expressing his opinion in a surprisingly non-flaming way.

He didnt try to insult anyone or anything..

He's been such an ignorant retard in so many gun threads, I don't care if he's inoffensive every now and then. I insult him on sight.

As for a nice .22 rifle, I like the Remington 552 Speedmaster. I inherited mine from my grandfather, and it is amazingly accurate with just the iron sights. Put a scope on it, and you can trim someone's toenails with it. I am not sure how the modern ones are, they have some features that mine doesn't, but I wouldn't trade mine for anything.

So you wouldnt trade one for a nice silenced MP5/10?

No, I wouldn't. I can acquire a silenced MP5, etc. from several licensed dealers that I know, but I cannot replace my grandfather's rifle.

 

[tec699]

He's been such an ignorant retard in so many gun threads, I don't care if he's inoffensive every now and then. I insult him on sight.

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