What percentage of black market weapons originate from legitimate sources?

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Haha, the Army cant operate on our own soil? Where did you get that retarded idea? So when Canada invades only the NG can help defend the motherland?

Anyways, I'd refuse the order as its unconstitutional. When I rose my hand, I swore to defend the constitution, not the country.

I was referring to the Posse Comitatus Act (not sure if I spelled that right).

 

[IGBT]

..often wonder how/why there are so many kids with guns. If these guns are the result of theft/burglar then law enforcement is greatly under reporting personal property crime.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: sdifox
Close to 100%. There are independent makers (in the middle east) where it is basically a guy with skills handcrafting weapons.

And I bet they crank'em out by the 10's. :laugh:

 

[GenHoth]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..often wonder how/why there are so many kids with guns. If these guns are the result of theft/burglar then law enforcement is greatly under reporting personal property crime.

They aren't stolen, usually they belong to a parent, or a friend. Fellow gang members etc. It is tough to keep an eye on anything all the time. AKA, they haven't been 'stolen' for a long period of time, or were illegally obtained before ownership.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: TallBill
Haha, the Army cant operate on our own soil? Where did you get that retarded idea? So when Canada invades only the NG can help defend the motherland?

Anyways, I'd refuse the order as its unconstitutional. When I rose my hand, I swore to defend the constitution, not the country.

I was referring to the Posse Comitatus Act (not sure if I spelled that right).

It doesn't say they can't operate here. They operate in the US every day. LOL

PCA says they can't fucntion in a police capacity against US citizens.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: TallBill
Haha, the Army cant operate on our own soil? Where did you get that retarded idea? So when Canada invades only the NG can help defend the motherland?

Anyways, I'd refuse the order as its unconstitutional. When I rose my hand, I swore to defend the constitution, not the country.

I was referring to the Posse Comitatus Act (not sure if I spelled that right).

It doesn't say they can't operate here. They operate in the US every day. LOL

PCA says they can't fucntion in a police capacity against US citizens.

By operate I meant operate in a police capacity. Sorry. I figured everyone was familiar with it.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: TallBill
Haha, the Army cant operate on our own soil? Where did you get that retarded idea? So when Canada invades only the NG can help defend the motherland?

Anyways, I'd refuse the order as its unconstitutional. When I rose my hand, I swore to defend the constitution, not the country.

I was referring to the Posse Comitatus Act (not sure if I spelled that right).

It doesn't say they can't operate here. They operate in the US every day. LOL

PCA says they can't fucntion in a police capacity against US citizens.

By operate I meant operate in a police capacity. Sorry. I figured everyone was familiar with it.

Congress can pass a bill to nullify the Posse Comitatus Act any time. The President can also use federal forces to quell an insurrection or mass civil disturbance.

 

[waggy]

heh if they outlawed any and all guns it would be bad. They would HAVE to have the milatary confiscate them. for two reasons. one they are the only big enough system to do it. also many would be not be willing to give them up and fight to keep them.


the amount of deaths would be pretty high.

 

[nweaver]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Haha, the Army cant operate on our own soil? Where did you get that retarded idea? So when Canada invades only the NG can help defend the motherland?

Anyways, I'd refuse the order as its unconstitutional. When I rose my hand, I swore to defend the constitution, not the country.

Yep, I think a mass gun banning/confication would be met with some trouble not just from the civilian population.

That said, It won't happen in this country for hundred of years, if not more.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: TallBill
Haha, the Army cant operate on our own soil? Where did you get that retarded idea? So when Canada invades only the NG can help defend the motherland?

Anyways, I'd refuse the order as its unconstitutional. When I rose my hand, I swore to defend the constitution, not the country.

If guns were outlawed, I'd be a felon. And if I were older would probably fight to the death with anyone trying to take them.

What if they ammeded the constitution? Isn't the American right to own weapons contained in an ammendment anyway?

What if you went to another country with a different constitution, and they stopped you at the airport and said 'you can't bring that in here', would you hand it over?

Just wondering if it's a personal philosophy thing or a loyalty thing.

It's incredibly poor planning to try to bring contraband into a foreign country via air travel.

When I last traveled to London, I had an acquaintance meet me outside Heathrow, and less than 30 minutes off the plane I had a Sig 228, a decent inside the waistband holster and 13 rounds eeeevil hollowpoint ammunition.

I consider being armed a universal right of all free people. The American constitution doesn't provide rights, it simply enumerates and protects them.

 

[BooGiMaN]

i would say 99.99%

a few here and there i guess would be handmade specialty guns made to order for specific destructive purposes.....

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: sdifox
Close to 100%. There are independent makers (in the middle east) where it is basically a guy with skills handcrafting weapons.

And I bet they crank'em out by the 10's. :laugh:

I think that bazaar produces about 1000 a day... mind you, mostly handguns.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: sdifox
Close to 100%. There are independent makers (in the middle east) where it is basically a guy with skills handcrafting weapons.

And I bet they crank'em out by the 10's. :laugh:

I think that bazaar produces about 1000 a day... mind you, mostly handguns.

Anyone with a machine shop could easily produce dozens of AK47s, Mac-10s or simple handguns every day. The hardest parts to produce are the chamber, barrel and bolt. But as long as you weren't concerned about great accuracy, even those aren't a big deal.

 

[Colt45]

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's incredibly poor planning to try to bring contraband into a foreign country via air travel.

When I last traveled to London, I had an acquaintance meet me outside Heathrow, and less than 30 minutes off the plane I had a Sig 228, a decent inside the waistband holster and 13 rounds eeeevil hollowpoint ammunition.

I consider being armed a universal right of all free people. The American constitution doesn't provide rights, it simply enumerates and protects them.

You thinking it's a universal right doesn't make it any less illegal.

Scotland yard would have thrown you in prison had you used it, defense or not

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: dullard
In the short term, limiting gun sales will allow fewer law abiding citizens to have them and OLD criminals will not be affected. Potential new criminals (ie law abiding citizens who are starting their crime life) will find it harder to get the guns as they don't have them now and don't know how to get into the black market yet. Result: expect short term gun crime increases as criminals will be more confident.

In the long term, limiting gun sales will limit access that criminals have to guns. But we could never make a major dent in them (too many already out there and too much supply from other countries). However, it will make spotting a criminal and locking them up easy after the crimes were committed. Long term, expect a small decrease in gun crime. But don't expect anything major.

Time for the flames though.

Don't really see why people would flame you for this. It makes sense.

The only thing that I think you may be off a little bit on is that it really isn't hard at all to get into the black market, so I don't see this as being an obstacle. Easiest way is to find someone that deals drugs. It'll cost you, but he'll know somebody who knows somebody, and the link is made.

Especially on a larger college campus, there's all sorts of organized crime going on. Different organizations have people that work for them in the colleges, ranging from shylocking, to gambling, to prostitution. Not to mention gangs around the campuses.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: j00fek
100%.

100%. Period. Sure, there are some 'hand assembled Frankensteins', but the parts are legitimate.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Colt45

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's incredibly poor planning to try to bring contraband into a foreign country via air travel.

When I last traveled to London, I had an acquaintance meet me outside Heathrow, and less than 30 minutes off the plane I had a Sig 228, a decent inside the waistband holster and 13 rounds eeeevil hollowpoint ammunition.

I consider being armed a universal right of all free people. The American constitution doesn't provide rights, it simply enumerates and protects them.

You thinking it's a universal right doesn't make it any less illegal.

Scotland yard would have thrown you in prison had you used it, defense or not

Well first off, there's the only cliche better to be judged by 12 (a jury) than carried by 6 (paulbearers.)

But realistically, when traveling abroad, it's always best to be long gone before the police show up to anything. The foreigner is always the prime suspect.

 

[fleshconsumed]

If you are going down this path, I think the better question to ask would be: what is the percentage of illegal guns coming from inside the country vs. percentage of illegal guns coming from outside through smuggling.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: Colt45

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's incredibly poor planning to try to bring contraband into a foreign country via air travel.

When I last traveled to London, I had an acquaintance meet me outside Heathrow, and less than 30 minutes off the plane I had a Sig 228, a decent inside the waistband holster and 13 rounds eeeevil hollowpoint ammunition.

I consider being armed a universal right of all free people. The American constitution doesn't provide rights, it simply enumerates and protects them.

You thinking it's a universal right doesn't make it any less illegal.

Scotland yard would have thrown you in prison had you used it, defense or not

True, but his statement does illustrate the point that if someone wants a gun, laws made to prevent the aquisition of firearms aren't going to stop him. Not even in countries, such as England, where they're very strictly controlled.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: j00fek
100%.

100%. Period. Sure, there are some 'hand assembled Frankensteins', but the parts are legitimate.

the parts look hand machined... at least from that afghan video.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: Colt45

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's incredibly poor planning to try to bring contraband into a foreign country via air travel.

When I last traveled to London, I had an acquaintance meet me outside Heathrow, and less than 30 minutes off the plane I had a Sig 228, a decent inside the waistband holster and 13 rounds eeeevil hollowpoint ammunition.

I consider being armed a universal right of all free people. The American constitution doesn't provide rights, it simply enumerates and protects them.

You thinking it's a universal right doesn't make it any less illegal.

Scotland yard would have thrown you in prison had you used it, defense or not

True, but his statement does illustrate the point that if someone wants a gun, laws made to prevent the aquisition of firearms aren't going to stop him. Not even in countries, such as England, where they're very strictly controlled.

Exactly. England is considered draconian in their gun control even by their European neighbors. But you can still get pretty much whatever you want.

 

[GRIFFIN1]

If the US outlawed guns, Mexico would start shipping them with the meth and other drugs they send to the US.

I would just get a machete and start doing home invasions on retirement communities. After a ban, you can be 100% sure that retired democrats will not be able to defend themselves.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: j00fek
100%.

100%. Period. Sure, there are some 'hand assembled Frankensteins', but the parts are legitimate.

the parts look hand machined... at least from that afghan video.

Some of the copies can be very close to the originals, non-collectors can have trouble telling them apart. It really is amazing what they can do.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: GRIFFIN1
If the US outlawed guns, Mexico would start shipping them with the meth and other drugs they send to the US.

I would just get a machete and start doing home invasions on retirement communities. After a ban, you can be 100% sure that retired democrats will not be able to defend themselves.

Soon enough machete's would be "assault cutlery" and subject to regulation. "No one needs an assault knife to cut up chicken breasts!"

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Atheus

What if they ammeded the constitution? Isn't the American right to own weapons contained in an ammendment anyway?

What if you went to another country with a different constitution, and they stopped you at the airport and said 'you can't bring that in here', would you hand it over?

Just wondering if it's a personal philosophy thing or a loyalty thing.

If the constitution was amended, then I would follow orders as a soldier. I'd also start looking at moving to another country. I'm not sure if I would or not.

And I don't travel to any other countries. Maybe when I've seen all of America (if thats possible) I'll consider it, but I really don't have the urge. The only times that I've left the US is with the Army.