What percent of society is "useless"?

[WhipperSnapper]

Infohawk, where do you propose to locate the combination gas chambers and mass crematoriums?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: mizzouI actually wrote a book about this same topic while I did a short stint in the county jail about our nations hardships, I just called it "My struggle"....Should get published I hope, fingers crossed!

Heh heh. I wonder how many readers won't get that reference.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: bobsmith1492
No one is useless.

People's organs can always be used for organ transplants and we could always use people for animal feed if needed or to make Soylent Green, so, yes, no one, not even a serial killer, is entirely useless.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Robor
I went with 5% but the number may be high. The people I lump in there are murderers, rapists, pedophiles, armed robbers, thieves, etc.

You forgot Rush Limbaugh.

Did not!





You knew that was coming! :laugh:

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I haven't had a chance to read through this thread, but the question presupposes that "usefulness" is tied to income.

Who is more "useful", an evil rich man who has nothing but greed in his heart and sacrifices his family for his own wants, or a man who can barely speak a word of english, but works 70 or more hours so his family can have a better life?

I'd say the latter. Money does not make the man, and neither does it determine "good".

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: mizzouI actually wrote a book about this same topic while I did a short stint in the county jail about our nations hardships, I just called it "My struggle"....Should get published I hope, fingers crossed!

Heh heh. I wonder how many readers won't get that reference.

Mein Kampf should be mandatory reading so we can recognize the warning signs .

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I haven't had a chance to read through this thread, but the question presupposes that "usefulness" is tied to income.

Who is more "useful", an evil rich man who has nothing but greed in his heart and sacrifices his family for his own wants, or a man who can barely speak a word of english, but works 70 or more hours so his family can have a better life?

I'd say the latter. Money does not make the man, and neither does it determine "good".

Well put! :thumbsup:

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

It's a semantics game and basically boils down to what meaning you pour into the word "useful". But somehow saying that all people are useful makes me feel all warm inside...except maybe for the man who killed my father when I was 11 years old...I think I may have to make an exception for him.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I haven't had a chance to read through this thread, but the question presupposes that "usefulness" is tied to income.

Who is more "useful", an evil rich man who has nothing but greed in his heart and sacrifices his family for his own wants, or a man who can barely speak a word of english, but works 70 or more hours so his family can have a better life?

I'd say the latter. Money does not make the man, and neither does it determine "good".

Anyone who isn't living off the dole is useful.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Anyone who isn't living off the dole is useful.[/quote]


Everybody is living off the dole, it's only a matter of who's dole.

Is your dole more righteous than another?

 

[HardcoreRobot]

whatever it is, that number is climbing and we are encouraging it

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: BigDH01
TANF

TANF sets forward the following work requirements necessary for benefits:

1. Recipients (with few exceptions) must work as soon as they are job ready or no later than two years after coming on assistance.
2. Single parents are required to participate in work activities for at least 30 hours per week. Two-parent families must participate in work activities 35 or 55 hours a week, depending upon circumstances.
3. Failure to participate in work requirements can result in a reduction or termination of benefits to the family.
4. States, in FY 2004, have to ensure that 50 percent of all families and 90 percent of two-parent families are participating in work activities. If a state reduces its caseload, without restricting eligibility, it can receive a caseload reduction credit. This credit reduces the minimum participation rates the state must achieve.

Those supposed "requirements" are disgustingly ambiguous and weak.

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I haven't had a chance to read through this thread, but the question presupposes that "usefulness" is tied to income.

Who is more "useful", an evil rich man who has nothing but greed in his heart and sacrifices his family for his own wants, or a man who can barely speak a word of english, but works 70 or more hours so his family can have a better life?

I'd say the latter. Money does not make the man, and neither does it determine "good".

Anyone who isn't living off the dole is useful.

Even that has technicalities though. Some people may be getting assistance in some way but still maintain a job and/or contribute to society in some way.

I would say the "useless" people are the career criminals, pointless bureaucrats, and purely lazy people that take much more from society than they give.

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: BigDH01
TANF

TANF sets forward the following work requirements necessary for benefits:

1. Recipients (with few exceptions) must work as soon as they are job ready or no later than two years after coming on assistance.
2. Single parents are required to participate in work activities for at least 30 hours per week. Two-parent families must participate in work activities 35 or 55 hours a week, depending upon circumstances.
3. Failure to participate in work requirements can result in a reduction or termination of benefits to the family.
4. States, in FY 2004, have to ensure that 50 percent of all families and 90 percent of two-parent families are participating in work activities. If a state reduces its caseload, without restricting eligibility, it can receive a caseload reduction credit. This credit reduces the minimum participation rates the state must achieve.

Those supposed "requirements" are disgustingly ambiguous and weak.

HHS

Work Activities ? Activities that count toward a State?s participation rates are (some restrictions may apply):

* unsubsidized or subsidized employment
* work experience
* on-the-job training
* job search and job readiness assistance ? not to exceed 6 weeks in a 12-month period and no more than 4 consecutive weeks (but up to 12 weeks if a State meets certain conditions)
* community service
* vocational educational training ? not to exceed 12 months
* job skills training related to work
* education directly related to employment
* satisfactory secondary school attendance
* providing child care services to individuals who are participating in community service.

 

[JS80]

People on welfare + federal workers + state workers = your answer

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: JS80
People on welfare + federal workers + state workers = your answer

I'm assuming you include the military in this.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: JS80
People on welfare + federal workers + state workers = your answer

I think you forgot the word "some" in your equation...? Or are you really a bonafied anarchist?

You also forgot career violent criminals.

 

[seemingly random]

People who manipulate money but create no real products.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: JS80
People on welfare + federal workers + state workers = your answer

I think you forgot the word "some" in your equation...? Or are you really a bonafied anarchist?

You also forgot career violent criminals.

Well, not ALL federal + state workers are worthless, but if you count all of them, you will capture the deadweight heads in corporate.

Criminals don't count. They aren't part of society.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

The percentage that hang out wasting time posting on ATPN:beer:

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: JS80
Criminals don't count. They aren't part of society.

If we must continue to pay for them, then they are part of society.

One 9mm bullet each would certainly solve that problem.

 

[bfdd]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I haven't had a chance to read through this thread, but the question presupposes that "usefulness" is tied to income.

Who is more "useful", an evil rich man who has nothing but greed in his heart and sacrifices his family for his own wants, or a man who can barely speak a word of english, but works 70 or more hours so his family can have a better life?

I'd say the latter. Money does not make the man, and neither does it determine "good".

Well he did say that a janitor who is working hard is useful so I'll give him that. I think people who aren't useful are people that willfully and knowingly take more than they give. Even that is hard to say. I'd rather have someone working hard and needing a helping hand from the community than someone who refuses to work hard. For instance, Paris Hilton is pretty much useless, whereas my coworkers gardener is not.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Ausm
You sound like the Nazi SS stormtroopers herding Jews to go to the gas chamber. People with a 1 got worked to death and the women,children,elderly, and the sick got a 2 which meant they were immediately put to death.

Another numbnut who is capable of being offended by a question. (It's not like it assumes an answer.) You are welcome to say nobody is useless. I didn't suggest that useless people should be put to death in concentration camps. Learn to read.

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Infohawk, where do you propose to locate the combination gas chambers and mass crematoriums?

Stop jumping to conclusions. Take a numbnut badge on your way out.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: mizzou

Originally posted by: bobsmith1492
No one is useless.

Subject #1.

$400 food stamps a month
Free state medicaid
$800 temporary state assistance a month
Lives in free state housing
Unpaid bills
Keeps on having children
Refuses to work


Totally freaking worthless and deserves to be sent somewhere else

No one is worthless.

Jesus Christ people. Even I'm not this cynical.

So what exactly then would that "hypoyhetical" person contribute to society?

 

[cwjerome]

Define "useless"