What PBS doesn't want you to see

[darkswordsman17]

What more is there to say? PBS aired one side of the argument and refused requests to air the video I provided.

I never said that it was a "nefarious" plot.

This is a thread about origins, not religion. I beleive that the designer of the universe is the Christian God, but you can believe in ID and and have any concept of the designer you want. I can't help it if others want to turn my threads into religion. When they do, I do my best to respond.

Apparently, you've made up your mind that anything I post is a "religious troll thread". Even if it is, and it isn't, athesist troll threads are far more numerous than religous troll threads.

Ah, so not only are you not actually a Christian (or rather everyone else isn't a Christian, since you get to dictate that only those that live and believe like you can be real Christians), but you're now trying to also change what Creationism is?

You're saying it has nothing to do with religion, but you're saying there is a god and that he/she/it is Christian. But...you're not talking about religion?

You do realize that if you dictate that god is only of a specific religion and that this god made everything, that you are in fact making religion a default aspect of your whole point, right? You can't remove religion from your belief that a Christian god created everything.

Lastly, what does any of your posts have to do with actual science, other than you trying to refute it by claiming its wrong and that god proves you and your beliefs right? Science and religion are two completely unrelated things, with the exception being when religious people like you try to impose your religious beliefs onto science.

 

[alkemyst]

PBS is decided by the people more or less.

 

[StrangerGuy]

What is the word to describe deniance of physical reality? Stupid?

Since I'm already here I need to get something off my chest...I despise Christians for the fact that they can try to shoehorn their bullshit to me with impunity yet I get branded as discriminatory when I point their crap out. You can't have it both ways, assholes.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

This is a thread about origins, not religion.

WHAT origin?

 

[darkswordsman17]

What is the word to describe deniance of physical reality? Stupid?

Since I'm already here I need to get something off my chest...I despise Christians for the fact that they can try to shoehorn their bullshit to me without impunity yet I get branded as discriminatory when I point their crap out. You can't have it both ways, assholes.

But you're supposed to just live and let live.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

It's their convention, not a public forum. I wouldn't expect an accounting conference to accept a presentation by creationists anymore than I would the atheists. Now back to the topic of private sector embrace of creationist principles or more specifically the lack there of. Can you suggest a single real world useful aspect of creationism?

I worked at one the premier industrial research labs in the world and many of the top scientists were creationists. Theories on origins have nothing to do with doing world class research.

 

[IronWing]

I worked at one the premier industrial research labs in the world and many of the top scientists were creationists. Theories on origins have nothing to do with doing world class research.

And which specific creationist principles did they apply to their science?

 

[sdifox]

They also pulled Katy Perry - Elmo Duet, the outrage.

 

[lxskllr]

....

Discussing science with a creationist is like discussing economics with a cat. The best you can hope for is a blank stare from either....

 

[Nik]

See sig

 

[caddlad]

During the past century, much of the world has accepted the theory of Evolution as fact. Yet the molecules-to-man theory has no direct evidence to support it at all. Origins provides overwhelming evidence in favor of Creation.

The ignorance is ... stunning.

 

[dawp]

I worked at one the premier industrial research labs in the world and many of the top scientists were creationists. Theories on origins have nothing to do with doing world class research.

What are their area of expertise? Obviously not biology, paleontology or geology.

 

[nboy22]

I guess the reason creationists have to try to push their nonsense in the public arena is that the private sector has already completely and utterly rejected creationist claptrap. Oil companies don't hire creationists to find oil. Biotech companies don't rely on creationism to develop new drugs. Where ever having an understanding of biology, geology, and natural history are essential to profitability creationism gets the boot. Creationism is totally useless in the real world.

PJW: Your creationist bullshit puts our nation at a competitive disadvantage.

hahaha, I love this post.

 

[Nik]

What are their area of expertise? Obviously not biology, paleontology or geology.

He's an expert in refilling printer paper and emptying lab garbage cans.

 

[sandorski]

Agreed. They speak nothing of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, which is clearly more valid than any other creation story. I even have physical evidence of the existence of spaghetti, right in my own kitchen.




And NASA doesn't debate the nutjobs who say that there are aliens on Mars, or who say that the Moon landings were faked. Debate against fairy tales and delusions is pointless.

Heathen! The Celestial Teapot shall surely pour out Its' steaming hot wrath upon you!!!

 

[Cogman]

Wow. The equating of creationism to Christianity is like saying that every sport is baseball.

 

[sandorski]

Wow. The equating of creationism to Christianity is like saying that every sport is baseball.

When Christianity is the dominant Religion espousing Creationism, of course it will be singled out.

 

[Nik]

Wow. The equating of creationism to Christianity is like saying that every sport is baseball.

Maybe, but it's not wrong to equate creationism to dumbassism.

 

[Cogman]

When Christianity is the dominant Religion espousing Creationism, of course it will be singled out.

True. However, just because it is the dominant religion supporting it, doesn't mean that everyone in that religion (or really, group of religions) advocates it.

I could accept the fact that every creationist is Christian (Though, probably not true). I can't, however, accept the fact that every Christian is a creationist.

 

[Cogman]

Maybe, but it's not wrong to equate creationism to dumbassism.

This I can agree with. They are right up there with the flat-earthers.

 

[PowerEngineer]

...SO WHY WON’T THEY DO SO IN AN OPEN PUBLIC FORUM? ONE WITH CREATIONIST SCIENTISTS WILLING TO FLY DOWN TO WHERE THEY ARE—A FORUM WHERE, UNLIKE IN THE ATHEISTS’/SKEPTICS’ BOOKS AND ARTICLES, ARGUMENTS CAN BE REBUTTED IN THE OPEN LIGHT OF DAY...

Let me remind you that PBS did air a two-hour NOVA episode on the "Kitzmiller v. Dover School District" case in federal court. Now I know you don't like the results, but this provided the perfect 'open forum' for the so-called 'creation scientists' to rebute 'in the open light of day' the agruments of evolutionists.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/intelligent-design-trial.html

And they did come. Including Michael Behe and the Discovery Institute that you have referenced in other threads. Unfortunately for them, this 'open forum' also provided the evolutionary scientists with the opportunity to refute the claims made in support of ID.

The Christian Bush-appointed judge hearing this case was John Jones III. He found that intelligent design is not science, that it had been introduced for religious reasons, and therefore decided it was "unconstitutional to teach intelligent design". Quoting from the NOVA episode, he goes on to say:

In an era where we're trying to cure cancer, where we're trying to prevent pandemics, where were trying to keep science and math education on the cutting edge in the United States, to introduce and teach bad science to ninth-grade students makes very little sense to me. You know, garbage in garbage out. And it doesn't benefit any of us who benefit daily from scientific discoveries

I expect that you will choose to dismiss this as some sort of unfair ruling by an 'activist' judge, and cling to the belief that truth is more likely to be discovered in the opinions of often biased audiences following a short debate by professional speakers citing facts that can't be challenged. Oh well...

I do give you credit in this thread for stating your beliefs at the beginning, instead of continuing to just bedeviling those you clandestinely disagree with.

How'd this thread get back into OT; its earlier banishment to P&N mage me laugh.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I could accept the fact that every creationist is Christian (Though, probably not true).

It isn't true, as a matter of fact. Creationism is taking root among Muslims, too. It's humorous, really, because it's all the same tired canards that Christian creationists abuse, but they just swap in "Allah."

I can't, however, accept the fact that every Christian is a creationist.

The vast majority of Christians are not creationists. It's just the really, really dumb ones.

 

[IcePickFreak]

If God is all-knowing and omnipotent, why did he send all his messengers back when people were relatively unintelligent by today's standards? He could have his own cable channel in 60 different languages now, world tours, etc. I mean he should of know this was coming being God and all.

It was David Blaine wasn't it? He has much better tricks than the old water-to-wine trick and would steal Jesus' second coming thunder.

 

[hans030390]

OP, I used to be into creationism...did tons of research on it. One day, I decided to take the other side into account, as I consider myself a person of reason. I did a fraction of the research on evolution, atheism, etc., and decided creationism and similar "sciences" really just don't hold their weight if when it came down to it. There are plenty of rebuttals to be found for every creationist, Christian argument I've found...and they simply make more sense. If you feel like you're a person that reasons through things, or if you want others to listen to you, I strongly encourage you to research both sides equally. Here are a couple of books I recommend:

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Became-Ath...5527032&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Atheist-Univer...5527440&sr=8-1

I've also found some good articles here:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/

It's not the most organized website I've seen, as sometimes you have to do some digging to find the articles you're looking for.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Rubbish.

Here's a small sampling of Christian scientists who made monumental contributions to science:

Francis Bacon
Isaac Newton
Blaise Pascal
Johannes Kepler
Robert Boyle
Michael Faraday
James Clerk Maxwell
J.J. Thomson
Charles Coulson
Willima Henry Perkin
George Stokes
William Thompson
Richard Bube
John Suppe
Charles H. Townes
Arthur Schawlow
Allan Sandage
William Phillips

There is a tremendous tradition of distinguished scientists who were and are Christians. To deny it is willful ignorance.

Forgot the "blazing omission" name of Charles Darwin there now didn't you?