What PBS doesn't want you to see

[Hacp]

Wait, where is the porn? I don't see any here..... I don't like it when I click for porn and don't see it!!!!!

 

[ahenkel]

oh wait I forgot PBS deals in FACTS. Not made up hocus pocus mumbo jumbo

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

I guess the reason creationists have to try to push their nonsense in the public arena is that the private sector has already completely and utterly rejected creationist claptrap. Oil companies don't hire creationists to find oil. Biotech companies don't rely on creationism to develop new drugs. Where ever having an understanding of biology, geology, and natural history are essential to profitability creationism gets the boot. Creationism is totally useless in the real world.

PJW: Your creationist bullshit puts our nation at a competitive disadvantage.

Rubbish.

Here's a small sampling of Christian scientists who made monumental contributions to science:

Francis Bacon
Isaac Newton
Blaise Pascal
Johannes Kepler
Robert Boyle
Michael Faraday
James Clerk Maxwell
J.J. Thomson
Charles Coulson
Willima Henry Perkin
George Stokes
William Thompson
Richard Bube
John Suppe
Charles H. Townes
Arthur Schawlow
Allan Sandage
William Phillips

There is a tremendous tradition of distinguished scientists who were and are Christians. To deny it is willful ignorance.

 

[IronWing]

Rubbish.

Here's a small sampling of Christian scientists who made monumental contributions to science:

Francis Bacon
Isaac Newton
Blaise Pascal
Johannes Kepler
Robert Boyle
Michael Faraday
James Clerk Maxwell
J.J. Thomson
Charles Coulson
Willima Henry Perkin
George Stokes
William Thompson
Richard Bube
John Suppe
Charles H. Townes
Arthur Schawlow
Allan Sandage
William Phillips

There is a tremendous tradition of distinguished scientists who were and are Christians. To deny it is willful ignorance.

Christian != creationist and a whole bunch of folks on your list pre-date Darwin. Now back on topic: if you can point me to a successful oil exploration company that uses creationist principles in the search for oil you might have a point. As it stands you are putting your own ego ahead of American competitiveness in the important energy, minerals, and biotech sectors.

Edit: In fact, John Suppe is the only post-Darwin scientist on your list that requires an understanding of evolution and natural history conduct his scientific endeavors. And looking at his religious writings online I see no where that he claims to be a creationist.

 

[sandorski]

Rubbish.

Here's a small sampling of Christian scientists who made monumental contributions to science:

Francis Bacon
Isaac Newton
Blaise Pascal
Johannes Kepler
Robert Boyle
Michael Faraday
James Clerk Maxwell
J.J. Thomson
Charles Coulson
Willima Henry Perkin
George Stokes
William Thompson
Richard Bube
John Suppe
Charles H. Townes
Arthur Schawlow
Allan Sandage
William Phillips

There is a tremendous tradition of distinguished scientists who were and are Christians. To deny it is willful ignorance.

Fail

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

Christian != creationist and a whole bunch of folks on your list pre-date Darwin. Now back on topic: if you can point me to a successful oil exploration company that uses creationist principles in the search for oil you might have a point. As it stands you are putting your own ego ahead of American competitiveness in the important energy, minerals, and biotech sectors.

I don't think that Christianity stands in the way of oil exploration.

http://www.oilfieldchristianfellowship.com/

 

[IronWing]

I don't think that Christianity stands in the way of oil exploration.

http://www.oilfieldchristianfellowship.com/

Once again you attempt to conflate Christianity with creationism, not very honest of you.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

Once again you attempt to conflate Christianity with creationism, not very honest of you.

I fail to see how the belief in a designed universe has anything to do with oil exploration, nor in one's ability to do top notch scientific research.

Modern Science as a discipline is a fruit of the Reformation. As Francis Bacon, the father of the scientific method, once put it: "There are two books laid before us to study; to prevent us falling into error; first, the volume of the Scriptures which reveal the will of God; then the volume of the Creatures, which express His power."

Historian Robert G. Frank points out: "The predominant forms of scientific activity can be shown to be a direct outgrowth of a Puritan ideology."

 

[child of wonder]

If we accept that god is the "designer" of all life and the universe, then we must also accept that god is a sadistic son of a bitch who designed a wasp that lays eggs in caterpillars so that the larva can eat the caterpillar alive when they hatch. Not only that, they eat the caterpillar in such a way that it stays alive as long as possible. Or how god made germs to kill people in truly gruesome and painful ways. Germs that we wouldn't even know existed if not for modern science.

If there is a god as described in the Bible, he is a twisted, evil dick and can fuck off.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

Once again you attempt to conflate Christianity with creationism, not very honest of you.

Of course you're aware that prior to the 20th Century, most scientists believed in creation.

 

[Carmen813]

Of course your aware that prior to the 20th Century, most scientists believed in creation.

Yes, and at other times believed the earth was the center of the universe and flat.

We call this progress.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

If we accept that god is the "designer" of all life and the universe, then we must also accept that god is a sadistic son of a bitch who designed a wasp that lays eggs in caterpillars so that the larva can eat the caterpillar alive when they hatch. Not only that, they eat the caterpillar in such a way that it stays alive as long as possible. Or how god made germs to kill people in truly gruesome and painful ways. Germs that we wouldn't even know existed if not for modern science.

If there is a god as described in the Bible, he is a twisted, evil dick and can fuck off.

Abstract

A review of the structure, function, and role of viruses in ecology is presented. It is concluded that viruses are non-living entities, similar to seeds and spores whose functions include carrying genes from one plant or animal to another. Viruses are a part of a system that helps to produce the variety that is critical for life and, importantly, they carry resistance to disease from one organism to another. Most viruses live in their host without causing problems. Pathogenesis is evidence of something gone wrong, a mutation or the accidental movement of genes, and not evidence of a system deliberately designed to cause human disease and suffering.

http://www.trueorigin.org/virus.asp

 

[JSt0rm]

PhineasJWhoopee,

Please cut your face off.

 

[IronWing]

Of course you're aware that prior to the 20th Century, most scientists believed in creation.

You didn't even read my response above, did you?

 

[IronWing]

I fail to see how the belief in a designed universe has anything to do with oil exploration, nor in one's ability to do top notch scientific research.

Another dishonest contextual shift on your part. Now back to creationist principles in oil exploration...

 

[child of wonder]

Abstract

A review of the structure, function, and role of viruses in ecology is presented. It is concluded that viruses are non-living entities, similar to seeds and spores whose functions include carrying genes from one plant or animal to another. Viruses are a part of a system that helps to produce the variety that is critical for life and, importantly, they carry resistance to disease from one organism to another. Most viruses live in their host without causing problems. Pathogenesis is evidence of something gone wrong, a mutation or the accidental movement of genes, and not evidence of a system deliberately designed to cause human disease and suffering.

http://www.trueorigin.org/virus.asp

lol

You're a brainwashed idiot.

 

[DrPizza]

Rubbish.

Here's a small sampling of Christian scientists who made monumental contributions to science:

Francis Bacon
Isaac Newton
Blaise Pascal
Johannes Kepler
Robert Boyle
Michael Faraday
James Clerk Maxwell
J.J. Thomson
Charles Coulson
Willima Henry Perkin
George Stokes
William Thompson
Richard Bube
John Suppe
Charles H. Townes
Arthur Schawlow
Allan Sandage
William Phillips

There is a tremendous tradition of distinguished scientists who were and are Christians. To deny it is willful ignorance.

That's wonderful. It doesn't mean shit though. There have been distinguished scientists who have belonged to many other religions. The mere fact that the men above were Christians is zero evidence of a creator. But, if you understand the history of the Bible and the historical importance of the Bible as it shaped Western Civilization, you'll understand that many of those earlier scientists believed that they were finding out God's truths - he he runs the universe. Even Kepler (or was it Tycho Brahe? One of them...) believed that God had a hand in the orbits of the planets, from time to time adjusting them such that the perturbations caused by interactions among the planets wouldn't through the whole system out of whack.

However, in a way, God was merely a God of the gaps. As more and more knowledge and understanding of the universe has been gained, the role of a creator has been significantly reduced.

 

[Acanthus]

Man, that video didnt even have the cosmic stuff close to what we think the origins are. Forget the "moments before the big bang" argument... They didn't have the after stuff right either.

The solar system didnt just "form" in our galaxy which also just "formed"

In fact, it's impossible for any element heavier than iron to exist without a supernova, that absolutely had to happen before our solar system formed. Meaning at least one solar system predated ours in our general area in space.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is supposed to be. There are scientists who have religious beliefs which do not conflict with evolution or modern cosmology. They don't need a seven day closely directed creation. The guy who heads the NIH is an example and guess what? He's been fighting for stem cell research. He isn't required to fit into Dawkins box nor yours and neither does anyone else.

 

[JSt0rm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo < watch this its actually interesting.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo < watch this its actually interesting.

He's boring and pedantic. The guy who wrote the 1905 page suicide note constantly referenced him. I suspect at the end he killed himself because he'd overdosed on Dawkins. I prefer real scientists talking about science, not some self promoting gas bag.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Our President just recently went to church with his family (A used to regularly attend before becoming President). Funny we don't see the anti-religion folks posting anything about him.

 

[IronWing]

Our President just recently went to church with his family (A used to regularly attend before becoming President). Funny we don't see the anti-religion folks posting anything about him.

Your profound understanding of this thread is showing.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Your profound understanding of this thread is showing.

Appreciate the compliment. Its tough to find someone who appreciates the subtleties of my points. You should really subscribe to my newsletter.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

That's wonderful. It doesn't mean shit though. There have been distinguished scientists who have belonged to many other religions. The mere fact that the men above were Christians is zero evidence of a creator.

It should be rather obvious, but I was simply pointing out through example that you can be a Christian and a scientist. Christianity has abetted science, not hindered it. Just look at how science fluorished after the Reformation.