What? No government shutdown threads?

[dbk]

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/10/05/exp-gps-0916-take.cnn.html

I think this is a pretty simple question from those people asking why the ACA issue needs to be a part of the CR and the debt limit discussion. Whatever wrongs you have with ACA, the legislative process should be followed. Put out a bill to repeal ACA and follow the process.

 

[AViking]

Democrats won't even give the one-year waiver to individuals like they are giving to special interest big business. That's all the GOP wants now -- fairness under the law.

Obama keeps rewriting the law without Congress.

Democrats think big business should get special treatment, and Democrats think Congress should get special treatment. And all the Democrat voters think that's wonderful.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opin...exemptions-hyperbole-20131002,0,6344095.story

 

[Paul98]

Democrats won't even give the one-year waiver to individuals like they are giving to special interest big business. That's all the GOP wants now -- fairness under the law.

Obama keeps rewriting the law without Congress.

Democrats think big business should get special treatment, and Democrats think Congress should get special treatment. And all the Democrat voters think that's wonderful.

If they want to discuss and make changes to the ACA for the better that's great. Everyone know's it isn't perfect and there will need to be changes made. Show us where the problems are bring in the research, data and evidence to support your arguments.

What the GOP is doing right now is idiotic, there is no compromise to be made with the debt ceiling given where we are in the deficit.

 

[AViking]

The GOP is pouting. They repeatedly sent a budget that couldn't get the votes to pass the Senate and since they can't get their way they decided to simply shut down the government.

It's a LAW. If they don't like it they have to get the votes to change it.

 

[OGOC]

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opin...exemptions-hyperbole-20131002,0,6344095.story

Thanks for the reminder.

Earlier this year, the Internal Revenue Service announced an even broader exemption, delaying until 2015 the requirement that companies with 50 or more full-time workers offer health benefits that met a minimum standard for coverage.

That's a doozy of an exemption.

More excuses from you sir. Again, if the ACA is so good, it would treat ALL Amercians with "equity," not provide certain segments of our population "special treatment."

And sir, you didn't answer if the ACA is so good, why were those waivers given and why did the 111th Democratically controlled Congress exempt themselves and why did the President who touts the bill exempt himself....and they exempted their staffs too.

Thanks for this article, it's more clear than ever that these special cases are saved for Obama's cronies, but not the rest of us.

Wow. You're actually MAKING the point! Rather than provide excuses for these special waivers, why not just acknowledge these delays are special cases for Congress, Unions and big businesses -- but not for the rest of us?

 

[Balt]

Democrats won't even give the one-year waiver to individuals like they are giving to special interest big business. That's all the GOP wants now -- fairness under the law.

Obama keeps rewriting the law without Congress.

Democrats think big business should get special treatment, and Democrats think Congress should get special treatment. And all the Democrat voters think that's wonderful.

Ha. You actually bought that Republican line about 'fairness under the law'? You really believe that's what they care about?

It's far more likely they're hoping the insurance pool will get flooded with high-risk customers, while the young and healthy stay out of the pool for another year because there's no mandate. Then at the end of the year Republicans can say "Look, it's not working! Only sick people want to buy in! It costs more than you said it would! It must be repealed!"

 

[michal1980]

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opin...exemptions-hyperbole-20131002,0,6344095.story

LMSM defending Obama, news at 11.

LOL. I wonder if these people realize they are nothing but puppets for the administration. They are so liberal, that no matter what bullshit they are fed they defend it.

 

[michal1980]

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/10/05/exp-gps-0916-take.cnn.html

I think this is a pretty simple question from those people asking why the ACA issue needs to be a part of the CR and the debt limit discussion. Whatever wrongs you have with ACA, the legislative process should be followed. Put out a bill to repeal ACA and follow the process.

The republicans have little leverage. They are using all the tools they have. You want them to play with one hand tied behind their backs.


Have you ever asked Obama and the democrat's to pass all the delays from Obamacare?

Why hasn't Obama or Reid come to congress to ask for changes to the law?

 

[K1052]

Why hasn't Obama or Reid come to congress to ask for changes to the law?

Probably because the Republicans (Boehner) were busy lobbying Obama for their own waiver.

If they really wanted to challenge the legality of HHS issuing limited waivers, which in the language of the ACA is appears they have some power to do, the GOP should find a way to take it to court...which to my knowledge they haven't.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

The republicans have little leverage. They are using all the tools they have. You want them to play with one hand tied behind their backs.


Have you ever asked Obama and the democrat's to pass all the delays from Obamacare?

Why hasn't Obama or Reid come to congress to ask for changes to the law?

So you support political extortionism to see your party get what it wants. Do you believe these kind of tactics are healthy for our democracy?

You're ignoring the main reason why Democrats are holding fast here. This has nothing to do with Obamacare and everything to do with the Democratic process this country was founded upon. If you want to change Obamacare, you get your representatives elected into Congress. You then get them to sign laws to repeal what you don't like and get a president to sign them into law.

This is the foundation of our democracy. I will not allow you reckless Tea Party supporters to attempt to destroy it. I fully support Obama and the Democrats decision to not negotiate in this way.

 

[michal1980]

So you support political extortionism to see your party get what it wants. Do you believe these kind of tactics are healthy for our democracy?

You're ignoring the main reason why Democrats are holding fast here. This has nothing to do with Obamacare and everything to do with the Democratic process this country was founded upon. If you want to change Obamacare, you get your representatives elected into Congress. You then get them to sign laws to repeal what you don't like and get a president to sign them into law.

This is the foundation of our democracy. I will not allow you reckless Tea Party supporters to attempt to destroy it. I fully support Obama and the Democrats decision to not negotiate in this way.

except this has been done before.

is it healthy to have a president not negotiate with congress, but negotiate with terrorists?
is it healthy to have a president that changes laws on his own?

 

[Jhhnn]

except this has been done before.

is it healthy to have a president not negotiate with congress, but negotiate with terrorists?
is it healthy to have a president that changes laws on his own?

What terrorists do you speak of? Have we not sponsored terrorists ourselves?

What laws have been changed by presidential dictat? I mean, sure, GWB ignored the law when he invaded Afghanistan, & started spying on Americans, and RR ignored the law when supporting the Contras & selling arms to Iran, but they didn't change the law. Hell, Lincoln defied the Constitution with the Emancipation Proclamation, but you probably won't get all indignant over that, I suspect.

 

[Jhhnn]

The republicans have little leverage. They are using all the tools they have. You want them to play with one hand tied behind their backs.


Have you ever asked Obama and the democrat's to pass all the delays from Obamacare?

Why hasn't Obama or Reid come to congress to ask for changes to the law?

The Bolsheviks & the Fascists had little leverage, but they used all the tools at their disposal.

See how that works? Anti-democratic means are generally not acceptable in a representative democracy.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

The Bolsheviks & the Fascists had little leverage, but they used all the tools at their disposal.

See how that works? Anti-democratic means are generally not acceptable in a representative democracy.

All this has proven is how un-democratic modern day Republicans are.

They know nothing about the principles of democracy this country was founded upon. They are simply spoiled little children who never learned from their parents how to act when things don't go your way.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

except this has been done before.

is it healthy to have a president not negotiate with congress, but negotiate with terrorists?
is it healthy to have a president that changes laws on his own?

Why on earth should Obama negotiate in this manner? Would you?

The debt ceiling and government shutdown are not political tools that politicians should be using. That's absolutely poisonous to the core of our democracy.

If you can't see that I truly feel sorry for you.

 

[Daverino]

As Judd Legum tweeted:

Can I burn down your house?

No

Just the 2nd floor?

No

Garage?

No

Let's talk about what I can burn down.

No

YOU AREN'T COMPROMISING!

 

[funks]

This government shutdown is just BS from the Republicans.. Seems like they are doing this so they can drop the growth of the GDP by a fraction of percentage point.

Then they'll bring this all back up election time and say - see, OBAMA and the DEMS had 8 years to fix our economy but they did a lousy job and were not effective (funny math then ensues which they caused).

It's the only strategy they got left to get back into office as they are now grasping on straws..

 

[AViking]

I challenge anyone to find someone overseas who thinks that the Republicans are in the right here. It's all the talk here and everyone is just shaking their head in complete disbelief. I think this is a real testament to how polarized politics is in the USA since those who actually agree with the Republicans are either brainwashed by the media and the politics of this whole thing or are genuinely out of touch with reality.

Find me one person who is not a Republican who thinks this is right.

 

[IGBT]

it's turned into "Blazing Saddles" with the sheriff (the obama) taking himself hostage.

 

[Matt1970]

All this has proven is how un-democratic modern day Republicans are.

They know nothing about the principles of democracy this country was founded upon. They are simply spoiled little children who never learned from their parents how to act when things don't go your way.

And how is forcing something down the throats of America that they don't want democratic?

Why on earth should Obama negotiate in this manner? Would you?

The debt ceiling and government shutdown are not political tools that politicians should be using. That's absolutely poisonous to the core of our democracy.

It seemed to be just fine for the Democrats to use repeatedly in the 70's and 80's.

 

[michal1980]

And how is forcing something down the throats of America that they don't want democratic?



It seemed to be just fine for the Democrats to use repeatedly in the 70's and 80's.

its always ok for democrats to shut down government when they don't like it.

when republicans do it, they are terrorists.

 

[bononos]

its always ok for democrats to shut down government when they don't like it.

when republicans do it, they are terrorists.

Terrorists?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...hutdown-why-they-happened-and-how-they-ended/
Above is the list of govt shutdowns to date. In the 1970s during Carter conservative elements (house+senate controlled by dems) caused funding gaps/shutdowns over abortion rights.
In the 1980s 2 shutdowns were caused by democrats wanting to stem the flow of money/weapons to Sandinista terrorists by republicans.

 

[boomerang]

This is how the left rolls. Obama and his flying monkey, Harry Reid have said over and over and over that there will be no negotiations. Meanwhile, the House has brought forward numerous proposals. The left then says that the right are spoiled brats. What a fucking hoot! I love it! Meanwhile 83% of the government is still running and the people are getting used to this as the new status quo.

So what if the Amber Alert system is down because we've still got Let's Move! Kids with Cancer? Nyet! White House chefs and Obama's nearby golfcourse? Da!

Here's a list of shutdowns by our spoiled brat in chief who is acting like a fucking teenager who can't get his way. This is not a man we have as president, this is an immature fanatic who wields his power in a pouting haphazard fashion when he doesn't get his way. And the left loves him to death for it!

What the left forgets is that the right doesn't always get mad, but it always gets even.

*UPDATED* The List: Unnecessarily Shut Down by Obama to Inflict Public Pain

 

[fskimospy]

Lol.

I love how occasionally modifying their ransom demands constitutes negotiation and compromise to you nutjobs. Nobody is fooled.

What is even better is that you guys are trapped so completely inside the right wing media bubble that you've somehow convinced yourselves that by not giving in to the republicans ransom demands that Obama is the one acting immature. That is a remarkable case of self delusion.

I can't wait to see what the next, even more unhinged demand from the right is when it becomes clear that there will still be no negotiation.

 

[shortylickens]

Neither side is responsible or accountable these days.

Quit bashing the parties. I dont think anybody in here said that Republicans are awesome or Democrats are perfect. No one is that stupid anymore.