What makes Palin the best choice for veep?

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I've gone over and over in my head why would McCain pick a minimally known governor, whose views contrast with some of his?
Why would she be the choice over Huckabee, Romney, hell, even Rudy? What did she bring to the table that noone else did?
I can only come to 1 semi-factual idea, she's an 'outsider', she hasn't been rolling in the political machine as long as the other choices. But that's truly it. She doesn't appear to have any other redeeming factors over the other choices.
Forget her faith, religious beliefs, etc, that's not a qualification, just because she believes the bible verbatim, doesn't make her more intelligent, more worldly, more qualified, nothing.
Most of the other choices had the same 'moral values' as her, so I pose to you, as most people have, that she was chosen 90% because of gender and the remaining percentage can be split up as you like.
It was blatant pandering to the women voters, that's it. They saw that Hillary didn't get the nod, so they figured, ok, we can wrangle them in if.....

So, please, why pick Palin?
 

bsobel

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I think the plan was obvious:

a) Appeal the the far religious right, part of W's base that doesn't like McCain
b) Female vote.

 

Farang

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Whats worse is that there were more qualified women out there. I was afraid McCain would pick a women and those fear continued as he rose in the polls, but fortunately Americans saw through the empty dress. Had he picked a capable woman the story might be different now.
 

nageov3t

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real answer: she was runner-up to Lieberman, but McCain was told no way, no how when it came to nominating Joe. he would have faced a floor fight and likely have been stuck with dead weight like Romney as his VP... but she was a washington outsider with a reputation for going against her own party and has both executive experience as a popular governor and experience with energy issues while also being a popular figure within the republican base, so he picked her.

hack answer: lolol McCain made a gimmick soccer mom choice.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: loki8481
real answer: she was runner-up to Lieberman, but McCain was told no way, no how when it came to nominating Joe. he would have faced a floor fight and likely have been stuck with dead weight like Romney as his VP... but she was a washington outsider with a reputation for going against her own party and has both executive experience as a popular governor and experience with energy issues while also being a popular figure within the republican base, so he picked her.

hack answer: lolol McCain made a gimmick soccer mom choice.
I like your answer.

 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: loki8481
real answer: she was runner-up to Lieberman, but McCain was told no way, no how when it came to nominating Joe. he would have faced a floor fight and likely have been stuck with dead weight like Romney as his VP... but she was a washington outsider with a reputation for going against her own party and has both executive experience as a popular governor and experience with energy issues while also being a popular figure within the republican base, so he picked her.

hack answer: lolol McCain made a gimmick soccer mom choice.

Kinda makes me wonder what other decisions McCain will or will not be making if elected pres because he was told "no way".
 
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I think her sex was an important factor. Hillary supporters made a huge hullabaloo after Obama got the Democrat nod, saying they would be voting Republican rather than vote for Obama (including certain posters on this forum). I think McCain's strategy was to court these voters who were upset that they weren't going to see the first woman president by choosing a female running mate. She happened to appeal to the social far-right (an area where McCain is seen as too liberal by ultra-conservatives), and she was an outsider with little known about her, both positive things for the campaign; but the primary consideration was trying to win over those jaded Hillary supporters who indicated they would vote Republican just to spite Obama.

What ever happened to those people?
 

Pens1566

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She was an attempt by the McCain camp to pander to the base of the party. That, and maybe a hail mary to appeal to Clinton supporters based on her sex. Either way, obviously not the most qualified and not a good decision by McCain.
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: loki8481
real answer: she was runner-up to Lieberman, but McCain was told no way, no how when it came to nominating Joe. he would have faced a floor fight and likely have been stuck with dead weight like Romney as his VP... but she was a washington outsider with a reputation for going against her own party and has both executive experience as a popular governor and experience with energy issues while also being a popular figure within the republican base, so he picked her.

hack answer: lolol McCain made a gimmick soccer mom choice.

That experience was limited and basically took the issue off the table for him. Also she had so many skeletons in her closet, which may not have mattered to many politicians but it certainly did to a person wanting to label themselves a reformer (Troopergate, childhood love of cows appointment, per diem, earmarks, to name a few). You give a somewhat simple description of her that sounds good but I think even in August the McCain campaign should've looked deeper and known this was a bad pick. I'm trying to stay off the attack line here and just think of this from a McCain adviser's perspective, and I don't see how they went with her.

Are there no other more qualified Republican women outside of Washington?
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
I think her sex was an important factor. Hillary supporters made a huge hullabaloo after Obama got the Democrat nod, saying they would be voting Republican rather than vote for Obama (including certain posters on this forum). I think McCain's strategy was to court these voters who were upset that they weren't going to see the first woman president by choosing a female running mate. She happened to appeal to the social far-right (an area where McCain is seen as too liberal by ultra-conservatives), and she was an outsider with little known about her, both positive things for the campaign; but the primary consideration was trying to win over those jaded Hillary supporters who indicated they would vote Republican just to spite Obama.

What ever happened to those people?

They vanished.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com...im-pumas-are-dead.html
 
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Originally posted by: loki8481
real answer: she was runner-up to Lieberman, but McCain was told no way, no how when it came to nominating Joe. he would have faced a floor fight and likely have been stuck with dead weight like Romney as his VP... but she was a washington outsider with a reputation for going against her own party and has both executive experience as a popular governor and experience with energy issues while also being a popular figure within the republican base, so he picked her.

hack answer: lolol McCain made a gimmick soccer mom choice.

Thanks, this was the answer I was hoping for. Honest, non-pandering, etc. I remember you being more conservative as to liberal, right?
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: loki8481
real answer: she was runner-up to Lieberman, but McCain was told no way, no how when it came to nominating Joe. he would have faced a floor fight and likely have been stuck with dead weight like Romney as his VP... but she was a washington outsider with a reputation for going against her own party and has both executive experience as a popular governor and experience with energy issues while also being a popular figure within the republican base, so he picked her.

hack answer: lolol McCain made a gimmick soccer mom choice.

That experience was limited and basically took the issue off the table for him. Also she had so many skeletons in her closet, which may not have mattered to many politicians but it certainly did to a person wanting to label themselves a reformer (Troopergate, childhood love of cows appointment, per diem, earmarks, to name a few). You give a somewhat simple description of her that sounds good but I think even in August the McCain campaign should've looked deeper and known this was a bad pick. I'm trying to stay off the attack line here and just think of this from a McCain adviser's perspective, and I don't see how they went with her.

Are there no other more qualified Republican women outside of Washington?

This has been the million dollar question in my mind too when it comes to their decision to pick her.

 

Hugh H

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Originally posted by: Farang
Whats worse is that there were more qualified women out there. I was afraid McCain would pick a women and those fear continued as he rose in the polls, but fortunately Americans saw through the empty dress. Had he picked a capable woman the story might be different now.

Other R women available were not as good-looking.
 

Hugh H

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
I think her sex was an important factor. Hillary supporters made a huge hullabaloo after Obama got the Democrat nod, saying they would be voting Republican rather than vote for Obama (including certain posters on this forum). I think McCain's strategy was to court these voters who were upset that they weren't going to see the first woman president by choosing a female running mate. She happened to appeal to the social far-right (an area where McCain is seen as too liberal by ultra-conservatives), and she was an outsider with little known about her, both positive things for the campaign; but the primary consideration was trying to win over those jaded Hillary supporters who indicated they would vote Republican just to spite Obama.

What ever happened to those people?

The pick of Palin sent them to Obama in droves.
 

techs

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/...ST2008102400069&s_pos=

Something About Sarah

By Kathleen Parker
Friday, October 24, 2008; A19


My husband called it first. Then, a brilliant 75-year-old scholar and raconteur confessed to me over wine: "I'm sexually attracted to her. I don't care that she knows nothing."

Finally, writer Robert Draper closed the file on the Sarah Palin mystery with a devastating article in this Sunday's New York Times Magazine: "The Making (and Remaking) of McCain."

McCain didn't know her. He didn't vet her. His campaign team had barely an impression. In a bar one night, Draper asked one of McCain's senior advisers: "Leaving aside her actual experience, do you know how informed Governor Palin is about the issues of the day?"

The adviser thought a moment and replied: "No, I don't know."

Blame the sycamore tree.

McCain had met Palin only once -- in February, at the governors' convention in Washington -- before the day he selected her as his running mate. The second time was at his Sedona, Ariz., ranch on Aug. 28, just four days before the GOP convention.

As Draper tells it, McCain took Palin to his favorite coffee-drinking spot down by a creek and a sycamore tree. They talked for more than an hour, and, as Napoleon whispered to Josephine, "Voilà."

One does not have to be a psychoanalyst to reckon that McCain was smitten. By no means am I suggesting anything untoward between McCain and his running mate. Palin is a governor, after all. She does have an executive résumé, if a thin one. And she's a natural politician who connects with people.

But there can be no denying that McCain's selection of her over others far more qualified -- and his mind-boggling lack of attention to details that matter -- suggests other factors at work. His judgment may have been clouded by . . . what?


Science provides clues. A study in Canada, published by a British journal in 2003, found that pretty women foil men's ability to assess the future. "Discounting the future," as the condition is called, means preferring immediate, lesser rewards to greater rewards in the future.

Drug dealers, car salesmen and politicians rely on this affliction and pray feverishly for its persistence.

The Canadian psychologists showed pictures of attractive and not-so-attractive men and women to students of the opposite sex. The students were offered a prize -- either a small check for the next day or a larger check at some later date.

The men made perfectly rational decisions, opting for the delayed, larger amount after viewing the average-looking women. You know where this is going. (Women, by the way, were rational no matter what.)

That men are at a disadvantage when attractive women are present is a fact upon which women have banked for centuries. Ignoring it now profits only fools. McCain spokesmen have said that he was attracted to Palin's maverickness, that she reminded him of himself.

Recognizing oneself in a member of the opposite sex (or the same sex, as the case may be) is a powerful invitation to bonding. Narcissus fell in love with his own image reflected in the river, imagining it to be his deceased and beloved sister's. In McCain's case, it doesn't hurt that his reflection is spiked with feminine approval.

As my husband observed early on, McCain the mortal couldn't mind having an attractive woman all but singing arias to his greatness. Cameras frequently capture McCain beaming like a gold-starred schoolboy while Palin tells crowds that he is "exactly the kind of man I want as commander in chief." This, notes Draper, "seemed to confer not only valor but virility on a 72-year-old politician who only weeks ago barely registered with the party faithful."

It is entirely possible that no one could have beaten the political force known as Barack Obama -- under any circumstances. And though it isn't over yet, it seems clear that McCain made a tragic, if familiar, error under that sycamore tree. Will he join the pantheon of men who, intoxicated by a woman's power, made the wrong call?

Had Antony not fallen for Cleopatra, Octavian might not have captured the Roman Empire. Had Bill resisted Monica, Al Gore may have become president, and Hillary might be today's Democratic nominee.

If McCain, rightful heir to the presidency, loses to Obama, history undoubtedly will note that he was defeated at least in part by his own besotted impulse to discount the future. If he wins, he must be credited with having correctly calculated nature's power to befuddle.





Seriously, I have to wonder myself. A pretty girl has been known to turn my head, and make me strange things.
Was John thinking with the wrong head?


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BoomerD

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I saw a beat-up Taurus station wagon this morning with this in the back window:

My VP is HOT
Yours is NOT

McCain
Palin

Great reason to vote for someone.
 

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
I saw a beat-up Taurus station wagon this morning with this in the back window:

My VP is HOT
Yours is NOT

McCain
Palin

Great reason to vote for someone.

Yeah, that Bumpersticker could have easily said:

My VP is hot, but she's hanging my P out to dry.
My VP is hot, but she's dragging my P down
My VP is hot, but my P needs depends

...etc...Oy...

 

TheSlamma

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Whenever I see Palin up there with her 5 children I can't help but think of the joke told in Predator..

Geez you've got a big....
 

JJChicken

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Originally posted by: techs

McCain had met Palin only once -- in February, at the governors' convention in Washington -- before the day he selected her as his running mate. The second time was at his Sedona, Ariz., ranch on Aug. 28, just four days before the GOP convention.


Doesn't the article just say he met her twice :confused:
 

techs

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Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Originally posted by: techs

McCain had met Palin only once -- in February, at the governors' convention in Washington -- before the day he selected her as his running mate. The second time was at his Sedona, Ariz., ranch on Aug. 28, just four days before the GOP convention.


Doesn't the article just say he met her twice :confused:


Hey, he's old. You have to expect these kinds of things.
After all, its not like he has a Blackberry or a computer to keep track of these things.
 

Skitzer

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Originally posted by: loki8481
just because you read an article doesn't mean you have to post it ;)

Obviously he's infatuated with her.
This thread is useless and totally irrelevant ....... you gotta wonder why he posted it ...... I do.
Could it be that he is threatened in some way by her?
 

daniel49

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Originally posted by: techs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...ST2008102400069&s_pos=

Something About Sarah

By Kathleen Parker
Friday, October 24, 2008; A19


My husband called it first. Then, a brilliant 75-year-old scholar and raconteur confessed to me over wine: "I'm sexually attracted to her. I don't care that she knows nothing."

Finally, writer Robert Draper closed the file on the Sarah Palin mystery with a devastating article in this Sunday's New York Times Magazine: "The Making (and Remaking) of McCain."

McCain didn't know her. He didn't vet her. His campaign team had barely an impression. In a bar one night, Draper asked one of McCain's senior advisers: "Leaving aside her actual experience, do you know how informed Governor Palin is about the issues of the day?"

The adviser thought a moment and replied: "No, I don't know."

Blame the sycamore tree.

McCain had met Palin only once -- in February, at the governors' convention in Washington -- before the day he selected her as his running mate. The second time was at his Sedona, Ariz., ranch on Aug. 28, just four days before the GOP convention.

As Draper tells it, McCain took Palin to his favorite coffee-drinking spot down by a creek and a sycamore tree. They talked for more than an hour, and, as Napoleon whispered to Josephine, "Voilà."

One does not have to be a psychoanalyst to reckon that McCain was smitten. By no means am I suggesting anything untoward between McCain and his running mate. Palin is a governor, after all. She does have an executive résumé, if a thin one. And she's a natural politician who connects with people.

But there can be no denying that McCain's selection of her over others far more qualified -- and his mind-boggling lack of attention to details that matter -- suggests other factors at work. His judgment may have been clouded by . . . what?


Science provides clues. A study in Canada, published by a British journal in 2003, found that pretty women foil men's ability to assess the future. "Discounting the future," as the condition is called, means preferring immediate, lesser rewards to greater rewards in the future.

Drug dealers, car salesmen and politicians rely on this affliction and pray feverishly for its persistence.

The Canadian psychologists showed pictures of attractive and not-so-attractive men and women to students of the opposite sex. The students were offered a prize -- either a small check for the next day or a larger check at some later date.

The men made perfectly rational decisions, opting for the delayed, larger amount after viewing the average-looking women. You know where this is going. (Women, by the way, were rational no matter what.)

That men are at a disadvantage when attractive women are present is a fact upon which women have banked for centuries. Ignoring it now profits only fools. McCain spokesmen have said that he was attracted to Palin's maverickness, that she reminded him of himself.

Recognizing oneself in a member of the opposite sex (or the same sex, as the case may be) is a powerful invitation to bonding. Narcissus fell in love with his own image reflected in the river, imagining it to be his deceased and beloved sister's. In McCain's case, it doesn't hurt that his reflection is spiked with feminine approval.

As my husband observed early on, McCain the mortal couldn't mind having an attractive woman all but singing arias to his greatness. Cameras frequently capture McCain beaming like a gold-starred schoolboy while Palin tells crowds that he is "exactly the kind of man I want as commander in chief." This, notes Draper, "seemed to confer not only valor but virility on a 72-year-old politician who only weeks ago barely registered with the party faithful."

It is entirely possible that no one could have beaten the political force known as Barack Obama -- under any circumstances. And though it isn't over yet, it seems clear that McCain made a tragic, if familiar, error under that sycamore tree. Will he join the pantheon of men who, intoxicated by a woman's power, made the wrong call?

Had Antony not fallen for Cleopatra, Octavian might not have captured the Roman Empire. Had Bill resisted Monica, Al Gore may have become president, and Hillary might be today's Democratic nominee.

If McCain, rightful heir to the presidency, loses to Obama, history undoubtedly will note that he was defeated at least in part by his own besotted impulse to discount the future. If he wins, he must be credited with having correctly calculated nature's power to befuddle.





Seriously, I have to wonder myself. A pretty girl has been known to turn my head, and make me strange things.
Was John thinking with the wrong head?

Yes! And Barrack has decided to drop Biden for Paris Hilton.
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Mr. Lennon

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I am republican and have voted republican ever since I was 18. After this election I will be switching to independent. I have lost complete faith and respect for the party. I could give a shit less about Democrats so I will not be joining their side either.

I have a serious question to you blind republicans as to why you have no problem allowing the piece of shit they call Palin any where near the white house. Can you think of one good reason why she would make a good president in the event that McSame dies? Please no recycled answers, I'll just ignore them.



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