The way I look at it is there is no easy way out. You can't just eat (or drink in this case) something and expect it not to have any calories or sugar. It will catch up with you one way or another.
I don't drink diet sodas and generally avoid fake sugars.
I don't drink diet sodas and generally avoid fake sugars.
diet soda is more acidic than regular so it is worse for your teeth.
as for aspertame. I am back and forth on the issue. I heard that it can increase hunger as it was first used as an appetite enhancer for cattle but I don't know how true that is. My nutrition professor said there is very few food chemicals that have gone through the amount testing that aspertame has and if it was really truely bad for us, it wouldn't be on the market. However, when I drink diet pop my joints hurt the day after so I don't drink it anymore.
as for aspertame. I am back and forth on the issue. I heard that it can increase hunger as it was first used as an appetite enhancer for cattle but I don't know how true that is. My nutrition professor said there is very few food chemicals that have gone through the amount testing that aspertame has and if it was really truely bad for us, it wouldn't be on the market. However, when I drink diet pop my joints hurt the day after so I don't drink it anymore.
well im not going to argue. if you want to drink it then guzzle down all the gallons you want. i do not know you personally so your health is not my concearn. despite all the testimonials of M.D.
http://www.321recipes.com/aspartame.html
you still think its 100% safe for you.
Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
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Not that I think it COULDN'T be bad... but in the amount that most people consume it, it's pretty harmless.
Caffeine can kill you... but you'd have to drink like 800+ Redbulls in quick succession.
........trans fat is bad for you but people eat it ALL the time...and if your gonna say trans fat isnt bad for you, then i feel sorry for you
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Try posting links that backup their bullsh1t with real data (ie: references to peer reviewed journals). Until then, all I see is a bunch of holistic, hippy bullsh1t propaganda.
Most things are bad in excess. Aspartame is no different, but that doesn't mean you're going to die of a brain tumor because you drank a diet coke every day.
Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
Try posting links that backup their bullsh1t with real data (ie: references to peer reviewed journals). Until then, all I see is a bunch of holistic, hippy bullsh1t propaganda.
Most things are bad in excess. Aspartame is no different, but that doesn't mean you're going to die of a brain tumor because you drank a diet coke every day.
the same could be said about trans fat...
also this link
http://www.321recipes.com/aspartame.html
has lots of testimonials from M.D'S
Well I just posted links to 2 peer-reviewed journal articles of credible scientists who disagree, so obviously the issue is not so clear-cut as you make it seem.
Back to the subject.
There have been some who suggest that your body reacts, both mentally and physically, to what you consume. Most people crave sweet things, but at least their body realizes that sweet = calories and somehow holds the craving to a reasonable level. With any artificial sweetener, the body begins to lose the connection between sweet things and calories, so the craving gets stronger.
Thus, sometimes sweet comes with calories, sometimes it doesn't. The body and your mind both want sweet, you won't stop it. You gain weight.
It isn't the artificial sweetener that causes the weight gain. It's the effect of the sweetener that does it.
Oh, and by the way, your body does NOT store artificial sweeteners.
There have been some who suggest that your body reacts, both mentally and physically, to what you consume. Most people crave sweet things, but at least their body realizes that sweet = calories and somehow holds the craving to a reasonable level. With any artificial sweetener, the body begins to lose the connection between sweet things and calories, so the craving gets stronger.
Thus, sometimes sweet comes with calories, sometimes it doesn't. The body and your mind both want sweet, you won't stop it. You gain weight.
It isn't the artificial sweetener that causes the weight gain. It's the effect of the sweetener that does it.
Oh, and by the way, your body does NOT store artificial sweeteners.
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Originally posted by: confused1234
Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
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Not that I think it COULDN'T be bad... but in the amount that most people consume it, it's pretty harmless.
Caffeine can kill you... but you'd have to drink like 800+ Redbulls in quick succession.
........trans fat is bad for you but people eat it ALL the time...and if your gonna say trans fat isnt bad for you, then i feel sorry for you
Oh for fvcks sake. What is your point? My diet is pretty much devoid of Trans Fats because I don't buy prepackaged sh1t. But that doesn't mean I shop the fagstastic Organic isle either. Actually, I don't drink pop either so uh... I dunno, I guess I fail to see the point of you comparing Aspartame to Transfats. I would probably argue Trans Fats are worse because CHD is FAR more prevalent than cancer caused by artificial sweeteners. STILL, if people weren't retarded and didn't eat cookies by the fvckin SLEEVE or would take the time to cook a proper meal, they wouldn't HAVE to worry about TFs.
That scares me even more. I will usually have 2-3 cans a day, and sometimes 4. However, I do exercise around an hour everyday. So hopefully this has been offsetting it somehow.
Thanks for all the replies guys. This is really making me reconsider drinking it at all!
Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
Originally posted by: confused1234
Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
:roll:
Not that I think it COULDN'T be bad... but in the amount that most people consume it, it's pretty harmless.
Caffeine can kill you... but you'd have to drink like 800+ Redbulls in quick succession.
........trans fat is bad for you but people eat it ALL the time...and if your gonna say trans fat isnt bad for you, then i feel sorry for you
Oh for fvcks sake. What is your point? My diet is pretty much devoid of Trans Fats because I don't buy prepackaged sh1t. But that doesn't mean I shop the fagstastic Organic isle either. Actually, I don't drink pop either so uh... I dunno, I guess I fail to see the point of you comparing Aspartame to Transfats. I would probably argue Trans Fats are worse because CHD is FAR more prevalent than cancer caused by artificial sweeteners. STILL, if people weren't retarded and didn't eat cookies by the fvckin SLEEVE or would take the time to cook a proper meal, they wouldn't HAVE to worry about TFs.
my point of comparing aspartame to trans fat is that both are consummed in large ammounts and "appear" to do nothing at that momment. lol at your comment for saying people who buy organic are fags...also FYI hydrogenated oils= trans fat.....
Not true. It's actually fairly close in acidity. The problem with 'Regular' is you get the Sugar (or, worse, HFCS) *in addition* to all that acid.
And those saying Aspartame is "not digested" are wrong. Aspartame IS actually digested by the body. That's why some people can't handle it, because their digestive system lacks the enzymes to break it down. One component of aspartame does attach to fatty tissue inside the body. In comparison, other sweeteners (such as Splenda) work because their chemical composition IS NOT recognized, so the sweetener is expelled. Various studies, however, show that even these types of sweeteners leave some traces inside your body.
EDIT: Anotherwards, nothing is safe. I'll take my chances with Nutrasweet/Splenda/et al over drinking gallons of pure sugar / HFCS.
And I'm a HEAVY diet soda drinker. And I do mean HEAVY. My daily intake is measured in 2-liter bottles, not cans.
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Actually, that would be part of my point.
But, I have read that particular argument. I'll look for the reference.
Actually, that would be part of my point.
But, I have read that particular argument. I'll look for the reference.
lol midlander dont even try ive already posted someof those links and people refuse to accept them.
I was referring to your almost mystical treatment of calories.
"Sometimes sweet comes with calories, sometimes it doesn't"
"Most people crave sweet things, but at least their body realizes that sweet = calories and somehow holds the craving to a reasonable level."
etc. Based on your statements it seemed like you weren't quite sure what a calorie was.
Anyway, no big deal.
I've got your peer reviewed study right here: http://www.ramazzini.it/fondazione/docs...0european%20journal%20of%20oncology%22
The european journal of oncology finds that aspartame causes dose related increases in lymphoma and leukemia in females. Note that the equivalent dosage in a human is about one serving of diet soda per 45 pounds of body weight per day, which exceeds the dosages used in the studies that don't find a link. Thus if you just drink a little it probably won't kill you, but if that's all you drink, you might have problems.
As for caffeine, the increase in urine output could deplete calcium from your bones, unless you eat a lot of calcium. Excess caffeine is acutely cardiotoxic, but I don't think most people could drink enough soda to hurt themselves via caffeine unless they also took caffeine pills. It does tend to make people nervous, and can cause muscle fasciculations (those muscle/eye twitches people post about and then get told that they're going to die.)
Aspartame makes a decent case study of funding bias and its impact on study results, as studies funded independently usually find problems with it, while industry funded studies don't find problems. It is likely that its approval is politically motivated, much as the disapproval of marijuana despite strong evidence of its medical usefulness, and the lack of over the counter birth control pills are all politically motivated and fly in the face of evidence and expert recommendations.
The european journal of oncology finds that aspartame causes dose related increases in lymphoma and leukemia in females. Note that the equivalent dosage in a human is about one serving of diet soda per 45 pounds of body weight per day, which exceeds the dosages used in the studies that don't find a link. Thus if you just drink a little it probably won't kill you, but if that's all you drink, you might have problems.
As for caffeine, the increase in urine output could deplete calcium from your bones, unless you eat a lot of calcium. Excess caffeine is acutely cardiotoxic, but I don't think most people could drink enough soda to hurt themselves via caffeine unless they also took caffeine pills. It does tend to make people nervous, and can cause muscle fasciculations (those muscle/eye twitches people post about and then get told that they're going to die.)
Aspartame makes a decent case study of funding bias and its impact on study results, as studies funded independently usually find problems with it, while industry funded studies don't find problems. It is likely that its approval is politically motivated, much as the disapproval of marijuana despite strong evidence of its medical usefulness, and the lack of over the counter birth control pills are all politically motivated and fly in the face of evidence and expert recommendations.
Artificial sweetners such as Aspartime are some of the most heavily tested additives in the history of food science. They're perfectly safe. Now, have a look at the ingredients in a typical loaf of white bread. A lot more then flour and yeast.
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