What makes a pistol not California legal?

[fuzzybabybunny]

I'm interested in the Ruger SR9c and it's not legal in this state. What gives?

 

[jTanked]

Move.

 

[OutHouse]

its scary thats why

 

[Spikesoldier]

magazine size iirc

 

[deadlyapp]

IIRC you can purchase the SR9C.

Things that make them non-legal:
Not DOJ roster approved - you cannot buy it within california
Doesn't come with a 10 rd magazine (but usually if you have an FFL pin the mag you can take care of this)
Certain illegal features, such as threaded barrel, etc.

Edit: It appears that the SR9C is DOJ approved.

EditEdit: Yup : BSR9C-10L (Black) / Alloy Steel Slide; Polymer Frame Pistol 3.5" 9mm 3/17/2012

 

[BoomerD]

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

California Handgun List
The California Bureau of Firearms maintains a list of handguns certified for sale within the state. This impacts only the sale of new or used firearms from licensed dealers, not the sale of used firearms in private party transfers. The list is viewable online at http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/.

The certification process involves a number of drop tests (generally onto concrete from various heights), and any handgun which discharges itself when dropped is considered to have failed the test. This is why the handgun roster is also known as the "drop-test list". Each 'listing' is valid for (I think) a year, and there is no uniform "drop-off date" for handguns. This results in some guns falling off the list in one month, others falling off in another.

As of January 1st 2007, no new handgun may be submitted for drop-testing (and thus cannot be added to the list) unless it is equipped with both a magazine disconnect safety and a loaded chamber indicator. Existing handguns which are not thus equipped may be renewed, but these requirements apply going forward.

 

[deadlyapp]

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

California Handgun List
The California Bureau of Firearms maintains a list of handguns certified for sale within the state. This impacts only the sale of new or used firearms from licensed dealers, not the sale of used firearms in private party transfers. The list is viewable online at http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/.

The certification process involves a number of drop tests (generally onto concrete from various heights), and any handgun which discharges itself when dropped is considered to have failed the test. This is why the handgun roster is also known as the "drop-test list". Each 'listing' is valid for (I think) a year, and there is no uniform "drop-off date" for handguns. This results in some guns falling off the list in one month, others falling off in another.

As of January 1st 2007, no new handgun may be submitted for drop-testing (and thus cannot be added to the list) unless it is equipped with both a magazine disconnect safety and a loaded chamber indicator. Existing handguns which are not thus equipped may be renewed, but these requirements apply going forward.

Poor fuzzy simply proves that he shouldn't own a firearm due to his lack of ability of looking up laws for himself.

 

[schneiderguy]

Not on the roster != illegal.

Explanation of the single shot exemption to get around the roster: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=383692

Flowchart to determine if a handgun is considered an assault weapon (which DOES = illegal): http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf

 

[Inspector Jihad]

you can't snorgle a pistol.

 

[deadlyapp]

Not on the roster != illegal.

Explanation of the single shot exemption to get around the roster: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=383692

Flowchart to determine if a handgun is considered an assault weapon (which DOES = illegal): http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf

It's on the roster. At least in the black version, I didn't bother checking the stainless slide but I'm sure its there too.

 

[coxmaster]

God damn California gun laws are screwed up.

I just followed the similar flowchart for assault rifles and nearly all ARs and AKs fail in every single criteria; yet none of those criteria are illegal in 90% of the other states. Damn

 

[deadlyapp]

God damn California gun laws are screwed up.

I just followed the similar flowchart for assault rifles and nearly all ARs and AKs fail in every single criteria; yet none of those criteria are illegal in 90% of the other states. Damn

Yup. Only easy way to get around it is with a bullet button or equivalent with a 10 rd magazine. Cali blows.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Nunchucks are illegal in CA?

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

Just go to a gun store and look at what they have. Plenty of good guns that are legal here.

The main thing is the 10 round magizine thing. Lots of little illegalities too.

The 9mm you are referring to is illegal most likely because of the available grip adapter that lets the gun accept a mag that holds 17 rounds. Although it should be legal because it says there is a version that only comes with 10 round mags available to states where the normal verison is illegal.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Just go to a gun store and look at what they have. Plenty of good guns that are legal here.

The main thing is the 10 round magizine thing. Lots of little illegalities too.

So if I traveled to California and carried my 9mm with its original 15 round clip that I bought in the early 90s, that would be illegal?

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

So if I traveled to California and carried my 9mm with its original 15 round clip that I bought in the early 90s, that would be illegal?

You might be covered under some other law but you cannot buy anything new that holds over 10 rounds.

Older guns before the ban may be legal. For example I had a .22 semi auto rifle from the 60's that could hold more than ten rounds.

 

[schneiderguy]

So if I traveled to California and carried my 9mm with its original 15 round clip that I bought in the early 90s, that would be illegal?

Yes, importation is banned. And it's a magazine, not a clip

 

[FelixDeCat]

Yes, importation is banned. And it's a magazine, not a clip

Why you little....!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRsQ0xEHS6k&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL42E8448F5799C3F8

 

[deadlyapp]

So if I traveled to California and carried my 9mm with its original 15 round clip that I bought in the early 90s, that would be illegal?

If the magazine is not possessed in california prior to the 2000 (IIRC) assault weapon ban, then yes it is illegal. Importation is illegal as well as distribution/selling/etc.

It can be brought in as parts though :shiftyeyes:

 

[FelixDeCat]

If the magazine is not possessed in california prior to the 2000 (IIRC) assault weapon ban, then yes it is illegal. Importation is illegal as well as distribution/selling/etc.

It can be brought in as parts though :shiftyeyes:

Ok, what if I buy two 10 round magazines in CA and duct tape them together bannana clip style? :awe:

 

[schneiderguy]

bannana clip

 

[deadlyapp]

Ok, what if I buy two 10 round magazines in CA and duct tape them together bannana clip style? :awe:

no law against "double mags" IE mags taped together. Lots of people do that with AR based magazines, no law against doing it with pistol mags AFAIk.

 

[olds]

Not on the roster != illegal.

...

Not true and you should know better.

 

[JulesMaximus]

So if I traveled to California and carried my 9mm with its original 15 round clip that I bought in the early 90s, that would be illegal?

I have 4 17 rnd magazines for my Glock 17 and probably a dozen or so 30 rnd mags for my MAC90. They were all purchased years ago though so they are legal to own, just not legal to buy new in a gun store. I take my Glock to the range from time to time and use the 17 round mags all the time. In fact, they are the only magazines I own for that gun.

 

[JulesMaximus]

no law against "double mags" IE mags taped together. Lots of people do that with AR based magazines, no law against doing it with pistol mags AFAIk.

Only the law of stupidity. How are you going to insert it into the gun?