ThePresence
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At my current job I told them I'm looking for a million dollars, or as close as they can get to it. 
They actually liked that answer! And this is a graphic design job too.
They actually liked that answer! And this is a graphic design job too.Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
ah...you guys don't know how to haggle. it breaks my jewish heart
I'm dating a Jewish guy right now. I called him after the interview ended and I could hear him shaking his head at me... this weekend, he's going to school me on what I could've/should've done in terms of negotiating and what to do when/if I get a call back with a final offer.
You don't have to take an offer if they lowball you. It's much easier to get a good starting offer than to get raises.
Please never ever specify your desirable amount. There is a rule that says the first one that brings up the salary in an interview is always on a disadvantage. If you bring it up you could end up getting less as the employee might have a higher figure in his mind. In same way the employer might loose out by qouting a higher amount than you expect. Its not that never bringing up the salary will always result in a higher amount but atleast you will never be on the disadvantage or loose out on the buffer amount.
It happend to me once.. I was asked about my salary expectation and I just said around 75. Now I didn't not add K so the other guy thought it was $75/hr not 75K/yr. I quickly realised that mistake and just added negotiable and the guy was fine with around $60/hr.
So had I said 75K I would have lost the amount like what $45K assuming that 60/hr ends up to be 120K.
Anyway one more thing whenever the employer quotes you a figure try not to show your emotions. Normally if its your first job you get excited and throw out a yes. Happend to me also. The empoyer always has a 10% buffer which you could attain. If he is willing to give out $50K and take it for granted that he'll be happy to get you at $55k. It depends on how much you can squeeze out!
It happend to me once.. I was asked about my salary expectation and I just said around 75. Now I didn't not add K so the other guy thought it was $75/hr not 75K/yr. I quickly realised that mistake and just added negotiable and the guy was fine with around $60/hr.
So had I said 75K I would have lost the amount like what $45K assuming that 60/hr ends up to be 120K.
Anyway one more thing whenever the employer quotes you a figure try not to show your emotions. Normally if its your first job you get excited and throw out a yes. Happend to me also. The empoyer always has a 10% buffer which you could attain. If he is willing to give out $50K and take it for granted that he'll be happy to get you at $55k. It depends on how much you can squeeze out!
I've always been told to say that you'd expect a salary commensurate with your abilities, but you'd also look at the total package - benefits, chances of advancement, knowledge learned, etc.
I actually had a delicious spinach asiago cheese grilled onion chicken salad. The guy kept raving about the restaurant's salads, so I tried one... good stuff.
I wanted my leftovers but didn't take them because he didn't take his. The best thing to do in the case of this type of question would be to do some research first. Once you know what the going rate is, then you can answer that question. I mean you don't want to ask too high of a salary, that may cost you your chance of the job offer. Then again, you don't want to go too low, otherwise you lose out on the oppertunity to make more money.
Don't know how good is to use the "I'm flexible" phrase.
Don't know how good is to use the "I'm flexible" phrase.
Squisher
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Originally posted by: Dezign
I actually had a delicious spinach asiago cheese grilled onion chicken salad. The guy kept raving about the restaurant's salads, so I tried one... good stuff.
Good move.
Even if you start low it sounds like it's going to be big move up and your going to get your chance to change things down the road when you start hearing rumors of your co-workers' salaries.
I wouldn't beat myself up over this.
Originally posted by: Squisher
Originally posted by: Dezign
I actually had a delicious spinach asiago cheese grilled onion chicken salad. The guy kept raving about the restaurant's salads, so I tried one... good stuff.
Good move.
Even if you start low it sounds like it's going to be big move up and your going to get your chance to change things down the road when you start hearing rumors of your co-workers' salaries.
I wouldn't beat myself up over this.
Thanks, Squisher... you're right, it would be an enormous move up, with MUCH more potential for professional and financial advancement. I've been in the same place for almost 2 years now... same position, same salary, minimal room for movement (definitely a ceiling in terms of position/pay). If everything goes through with this new opportunity, I'll be a very happy camper.
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Salary that is competitive for the experience that I can bring to the company. then I would expect to have it adjusted after I can deliver value to you with that experience.
This states up front that you will let them be fair on what they feel you are initially worth,however, you reserve the right to expect more after you have proven yourself.
ultimatebob
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Bingo. "What kind of salary are you looking for?" is a textbook interview question, and "A salary that is competitive to or better than the industry average, with opportunity for advancement later." is usually the correct answer in most situations.
If you tell them what you want, but then say it is negotiable, you won't get what you want. If you are confident in a number, give the number. Salary is always negotiable, and that is understood. There is no need to weaken your offer by essentially saying, "but I'll take less."
I've made mistakes with the salary question at about every interview I've done, the biggest of which is trying the range trick (which results in being offered the bottom of your range).
I agree with most posters in this thread that you should make them mention dollars first. 9 times out of 10, they have an idea what they want to pay the position anyway.
Dezign--Don't feel too bad. As many people have pointed out, there is likely a salary range for the position. Perhaps you'll get an offer now that's lower in that range, but I doubt they'll try to lowball you based on your answer. I started my current job as a consultant in an intent-to-hire position. I was obviously overjoyed at the salary they offered when they converted me to a full time employee because it was a very large bump over what I was making. It was also during a time when IT was slumping and there had already been a round of layoffs in my department. I'm sure it wasn't close to what my co-workers make, but they had all been here for 5 years+ at the time. So, regardless of how it compared to thier salaries, it was a nice increase for me and I was happy.
i want to be able to retire within the next hour of my new job.....thats the kind of salary i'm lookin for
When asked how much I would like to make for a salary, I usually answer their question with a question... "Well, what is the range that you expect to pay for this position? We can go from there." It totally puts you in the drivers seat.
I used to use the "flexible" answer and I found out why that one stinks as well, good negotiators will turn flexible around on you to mean "willing to take less" and it screams desperation... never underestimate the power of a good negotiator, its amazing what they can do to you if you leave an opening.
In any negotiation, you have to make the other person chase YOU, not vice versa. Its difficult because you are the one needing a job, but you have to get the mindset that they are hiring and need you as much as you need them. Make them chase you and your skillset.
I agree, asking for less is never better, leaves you with zero leverage. Bad bad bad advise.
I used to use the "flexible" answer and I found out why that one stinks as well, good negotiators will turn flexible around on you to mean "willing to take less" and it screams desperation... never underestimate the power of a good negotiator, its amazing what they can do to you if you leave an opening.
In any negotiation, you have to make the other person chase YOU, not vice versa. Its difficult because you are the one needing a job, but you have to get the mindset that they are hiring and need you as much as you need them. Make them chase you and your skillset.
I agree, asking for less is never better, leaves you with zero leverage. Bad bad bad advise.
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