What kind of disability causes you to have problems with deadlines?

[Sukhoi]

I agree. He showed up to the first lab due check-in without having even started the lab. While everybody was turning in their labs, he was just beginning to consider doing it and it seemed like he had no problem with that.

Makes me question how he's going to survive in the real world.

Since you have your hands tied, just grade really hard. He/she obviously has tons of time to do the work and it should be about perfect.

 

[EarthwormJim]

A student in one of my labs has a letter from the university discussing the accommodations we need to make for his disability. The only accommodation required is that we be lenient with project deadlines (aka, he can turn stuff in late for no penalty).

What kind of disability would cause this kind of issue? I'm just curious and don't want to ask the student.

Grade him correspondingly harder. Normal student has 1 week to do work, he gets 4 weeks (just making up numbers). So grade him 4 times harder.

 

[duragezic]

Possibly ADD/ADHD. One of my friends in university had this and he got some leniency on a few things (like extra time on tests at times) but generally I thought he had to have his assignments in on time.

 

[Eli]

Scrutinizing his work a few levels of magnitude harder than normal sounds fair to me.

 

[tcsenter]

Don't be pedantic. I didn't say a normal physician, I specifically said SURGEON. How could someone with no hands be a surgeon? Are you fucking retarded?

You were affirming your support that someone should not be able to "get a degree" if they have disabilities that require accommodation, then used "surgeon" as an example.

There is no degree in "surgery". Its a residency (clinical training), which isn't being discussed here. Nobody without hands could become a surgeon. Are you fucking retarded?

 

[CycloWizard]

IMHO even if it's a mental issue it's not an excuse to turn in work late. By getting a degree you're indicating you can perform the work in that field at the average level of students the university outputs. To allow the student to work slowly yet receive the same degree it is misleading to any business the student may be hired by.

Plenty of kids now are given unlimited time to take engineering exams if they have any claim of a disability. It's really unfair to the other kids, but it's the law, so it doesn't have to make sense. My professors would have laughed their asses off at my expense had I tried this just six years ago. Now there are probably 5-10% of kids that need "a little extra time," by which "unlimited time" is really meant.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

You were affirming your support that someone should not be able to "get a degree" if they have disabilities that require accommodation, then used "surgeon" as an example.

There is no degree in "surgery". Its a residency (clinical training), which isn't being discussed here. Nobody without hands could become a surgeon. Are you fucking retarded?

You need to learn what pedantic means.

 

[Eli]

Plenty of kids now are given unlimited time to take engineering exams if they have any claim of a disability. It's really unfair to the other kids, but it's the law, so it doesn't have to make sense. My professors would have laughed their asses off at my expense had I tried this just six years ago. Now there are probably 5-10% of kids that need "a little extra time," by which "unlimited time" is really meant.

On one hand, this sounds ridiculous.

On the other, maybe this is an "old" way of thinking. Maybe we should look at it another way.

If 5-10% of students need more time to do the work, why is that a bad thing? Why does it matter, as long as they're doing good, thorough, correct work? Who comes up with these arbitrary time limits? Yes, there are certainly time limits in the real world. If a company isn't satisfied with an employees work, they will be fired. This doesn't necessarily mean they do bad work, it just means they were wrong for that specific companies needs. This same idea can apply to almost anything.

It sounds more to me like a loophole is filling a need for some sort of academic system revision.

 

[olds]

Plenty of kids now are given unlimited time to take engineering exams if they have any claim of a disability. It's really unfair to the other kids, but it's the law, so it doesn't have to make sense. My professors would have laughed their asses off at my expense had I tried this just six years ago. Now there are probably 5-10% of kids that need "a little extra time," by which "unlimited time" is really meant.

Now that we are in the PC era, all has changed.
I recently took a class in childbirth. In order to get 100% in this class, you had to give birth to a child. I tired and tied and tied but I just couldn't get pregnant. The school would only give me a 90% which was just unacceptable to me.
I was able to show that I had a genetic defect and needed a medical waiver in order to complete all aspects of this class. Thanks to the ACLU, I am now on track to be a certified mother and look forward to breast feeding as soon as I pop this little bastard out.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Now that we are in the PC era, all has changed.
I recently took a class in childbirth. In order to get 100% in this class, you had to give birth to a child. I tired and tied and tied but I just couldn't get pregnant. The school would only give me a 90% which was just unacceptable to me.
I was able to show that I had a genetic defect and needed a medical waiver in order to complete all aspects of this class. Thanks to the ACLU, I am now on track to be a certified mother and look forward to breast feeding as soon as I pop this little bastard out.

What is this i dont even

 

[Locut0s]

Chronic fatigue syndrome for example.

Don't mean to pry, no need to answer if you don't want too, but you suffer from this right? How does it affect your daily life most of the time. I think you said that you are basically retired because of it no? Is it the same every day or are some days much worse than others? How much can you accomplish in a day? Have you looked into trying antidepressants?

 

[BoomerD]

Now that we are in the PC era, all has changed.
I recently took a class in childbirth. In order to get 100% in this class, you had to give birth to a child. I tired and tied and tied but I just couldn't get pregnant. The school would only give me a 90% which was just unacceptable to me.
I was able to show that I had a genetic defect and needed a medical waiver in order to complete all aspects of this class. Thanks to the ACLU, I am now on track to be a certified mother and look forward to breast feeding as soon as I pop this little bastard out.

Dude...I told you I was sorry...but you knew before we started that I've had a vasectomy...you just refused to accept that as an excuse.

(and we've known for years what a mother you are...)

 

[guyver01]

The only disability that should prevent you from handling deadlines is brain death.

 

[Sea Moose]

I wonder who is going to write him a note for his boss if he ever gets a job. The kiddies these days are fucking pathetic.

This times one million and a half

I hate pathetic kids with their peanut allergies and pussiness.

 

[Squisher]

There are probably 1000 chronic illnesses that might cause a person to regularly become debilitated for short amounts of time from malaria to shingles. It's probably pretty hard to do your homework when you're shivering under a blanket.

Now, if this illness isn't curable, then I too wonder just how employable this person is? Would this field of study lend itself to a career that might allow for self employment or might be project orientated where a person is given months to complete a task?

 

[Sea Moose]

There are probably 1000 chronic illnesses that might cause a person to regularly become debilitated for short amounts of time from malaria to shingles. It's probably pretty hard to do your homework when you're shivering under a blanket.

Now, if this illness isn't curable, then I too wonder just how employable this person is? Would this field of study lend itself to a career that might allow for self employment or might be project orientated where a person is given months to complete a task?

They bend the rules for this one person, then why do the healthy people have to adhere to the set time frames.

Isnt that reverse discrimination?

 

[Squisher]

They bend the rules for this one person, then why do the healthy people have to adhere to the set time frames.

Isnt that reverse discrimination?

Right or wrong it is very possible that the school might be required to or is using as a guideline the EEOC's reasonable accommodation clause of the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act).

"A reasonable accommodation is any modification or adjustment to a job or the work environment that will enable a qualified applicant or employee with a disability to participate in the application process or to perform essential job functions. Reasonable accommodation also includes adjustments to assure that a qualified individual with a disability has rights and privileges in employment equal to those of employees without disabilities." USDOJ

 

[Sea Moose]

Right or wrong it is very possible that the school might be required to or is using as a guideline the EEOC's reasonable accommodation clause of the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act).

Fuck that

Do you think employers will let them miss deadlines in the real world, just cause they have a disability?

One way or another they are gonna get fired, unless they are hot

 

[theflyingpig]

What kind of disability would cause this kind of issue?

Being stupid or being fat. Well, being fat implies that you are stupid and worthless anyway. Everyone knows this.

 

[Sea Moose]

Being fat implies that you are stupid and worthless anyway. Everyone knows this.

Sig worthy

 

[Squisher]

Fuck that

Do you think employers will let them miss deadlines in the real world, just cause they have a disability?

One way or another they are gonna get fired, unless they are hot

That was the second part of my post on just how employable this person is, but it is possible an employer might be able to reasonably accommodate this person. If this person plans to be self employed or their employment is geared toward long projects that can be put aside for short periods then they might be able to have a career.

 

[alkemyst]

A student in one of my labs has a letter from the university discussing the accommodations we need to make for his disability. The only accommodation required is that we be lenient with project deadlines (aka, he can turn stuff in late for no penalty).

What kind of disability would cause this kind of issue? I'm just curious and don't want to ask the student.

parents with money or a friend that is a physican.

I don't buy into that...in the real world you have deadlines that have to be met.

I don't agree in sheltering the disabled.

 

[cherrytwist]

I agree. He showed up to the first lab due check-in without having even started the lab. While everybody was turning in their labs, he was just beginning to consider doing it and it seemed like he had no problem with that.

Makes me question how he's going to survive in the real world.

Maybe he won't. But it's his right to try.

I don't understand people who have the logic that mental illness are different than physical illness.

I know of a young woman who was attending medical school and just released from the psych ward for the sixth time. When she is properly medicated she is highly functional. Occasionally she needs time for her meds to re-adjust. For her to continue her education IMO is very admirable.

 

[CycloWizard]

On one hand, this sounds ridiculous.

On the other, maybe this is an "old" way of thinking. Maybe we should look at it another way.

If 5-10% of students need more time to do the work, why is that a bad thing? Why does it matter, as long as they're doing good, thorough, correct work? Who comes up with these arbitrary time limits? Yes, there are certainly time limits in the real world. If a company isn't satisfied with an employees work, they will be fired. This doesn't necessarily mean they do bad work, it just means they were wrong for that specific companies needs. This same idea can apply to almost anything.

It sounds more to me like a loophole is filling a need for some sort of academic system revision.

But if the company hires that person because they got the same GPA as someone who could do the same job better/faster, then tries to fire the disabled person, they won't be allowed to fire the disabled one to hire the better one. They rely on results in college to do some of this "weeding out," as it were, so they can hire someone who can do the job.

Time constraints on tests and assignments are important for a lot of reasons. Generally, if I give a test and unlimited time, everyone in my class will be smart enough to figure out all of the answers. Unfortunately, in engineering, you don't have unlimited time to do anything because time is always a constraint. Imposing a time limit on a test is a way to judge relative performance. I didn't like it as an undergrad, but now that I'm standing at the front of the classroom, it's clear that this is necessary to see which students will be more effective at problem-solving, which is the essence of engineering. Anyone can solve a puzzle if they have a week to do it, but the better ones can do it in half the time.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Now this is an awesome thread because my wife is having the same problems. There is a student in his 6th year (yep 6th) of college, but not the same one. He swears he can do the work and just NOW comes up with a disability. That entitles him to get a copy of someone's notes (if they are willing). It's done without telling the note taker who it's for.

So what does this guy do? He comes in late for class- again.

Needless to say my wife is unhappy and if he does this again the next step is to contact the administration who will give him a choice. Show up or get out.

I believe he does have some type of problem, however he shows behavior that demonstrates he's going to milk it for everything he can.