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[Paratus]

if nothing else, this is proving liberals dont want to have a discussion

But you weren’t interested in having a fair discussion. You wanted to play the old “this is a hunting rifle, this an AR, don’t you know what you want to ban stupid liberal” game.

Instead when nobody bit you declared the other side wasn't debating in good in good faith.

Well how about now, are you willing to have a good faith discussion?

 

[brycejones]

if nothing else, this is proving liberals dont want to have a discussion

This is proving you have no interest in having an actual discussion.

 

[brycejones]

any firearm that accepts detachable mags can accept any capacity

Ban detachable mags, limit all guns to a single shot before needing to be reloaded. This will promote marksmanship something the NRA should be able to get behind.

 

[mdram]

This is proving you have no interest in having an actual discussion.

would love a discussion, but until a definition of what an assault rifle is can be agreed upon what can we discuss other than what one is?

to me an assault rifle is capable of select fire (full auto, 3rd burst).
simply being semi auto is not an assault rifle

 

[repoman0]

Any semi-automatic+ rifle. Single shot / bolt action only, just like the 2nd amendment intended.

Anybody who needs a semi-automatic rifle to hunt doesn't deserve to kill anything with such a low level of skill and idiots who just want to fuck shit up at the range .... well too bad, learn to shoot with precision instead.

 

[Puffnstuff]

if nothing else, this is proving liberals dont want to have a discussion

Quite the contrary. This discussion proves that you cannot read and comprehend the ATF's description of an assault weapon.

 

[mdram]

Quite the contrary. This discussion proves that you cannot read and comprehend the ATF's description of an assault weapon.

please point me to it
https://www.outdoorlife.com/gun-news-week-atf-says-assault-rifle-is-bogus-term

 

[momeNt]

Here is the real answer.

An Assault Rifle is a set of characteristics that is used to pass a partial gun ban on the way to a complete gun ban. It is a set of characteristics that the globalists who want to take away all of our guns believe that most people will support as a "common-sense" ban on weapons, so once they get this one passed, and it is taken for granted, they move on to the next set of characteristics.

One ban is one too many. The gun control movement is not settling with an assault weapons ban, they are just starting with an assault weapons ban.

 

[thraashman]

would love a discussion, but until a definition of what an assault rifle is can be agreed upon what can we discuss other than what one is?

to me an assault rifle is capable of select fire (full auto, 3rd burst).
simply being semi auto is not an assault rifle

You just decided to change the discussion right here. You now want to talk about assault rifles instead of assault weapons (your OP said assault weapons). Assault rifles are fully automatic, or by the US Army definition "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges". Assault weapons, well here's the Department of Justice's definition "In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use."

If you even remotely wanted to have this discussion in good faith you would have not interchanged between assault rifle and assault weapon, and you would have looked up the easy to find definitions of them.

 

[Jhhnn]

Assault rifle-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

Civilian versions differ in that they are not select fire.

 

[UNCjigga]

Assault weapons are any of the following:

Any "selective-fire" firearm capable of fully automatic, semi-automatic or "burst fire" at the option of the user; or

Any semi-automatic centerfire rifle, regardless of the date produced, that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following features: 1) A folding or telescoping stock; 2) Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, thumbhole stock, or other stock that would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing; 3) A forward pistol grip; 4) A flash suppressor; or 5) A grenade or flare launcher; or

A semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following features: 1) The ability to accept a detachable ammunition magazine that attaches at some location outside the pistol grip; 2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward pistol grip or silencer; 3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm without being burned (except a slide that encloses the barrel); or 4) A second hand grip; or

A semi-automatic shotgun that has both of the following features: 1) A folding or telescoping stock; or 2) Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other stock, the use of which would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing; or

A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has: 1) a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition; or 2) an overall length of less than 30 inches; or

A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the ability to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition; or

A semiautomatic shotgun that can accept a detachable magazine; or

A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.[16]

 

[Jhhnn]

Here is the real answer.

An Assault Rifle is a set of characteristics that is used to pass a partial gun ban on the way to a complete gun ban. It is a set of characteristics that the globalists who want to take away all of our guns believe that most people will support as a "common-sense" ban on weapons, so once they get this one passed, and it is taken for granted, they move on to the next set of characteristics.

One ban is one too many. The gun control movement is not settling with an assault weapons ban, they are just starting with an assault weapons ban.

PPP- Pure Paranoid Projection.

 

[IronWing]

if nothing else, this is proving liberals dont want to have a discussion

You aren't interested in a discussion.

 

[IronWing]

maybe, but the term high capacity is also made up
many pistols come standard with 17rd mags, thats standard cap for that firearm

You aren't interested in a discussion about anything that matters.

 

[mdram]

based on the definitions i am reading, its really open ended.
basically it boils down to.
1. semi auto
2. detachable mag
3. other random features

my 10/22 could be considered and assault rifle by these definitions.

 

[mdram]

You aren't interested in a discussion about anything that matters.

please do start one, and i will reply

 

[vi edit]

To me this is more of a philosophical argument than an objective one and is the reason it's so hard to reasonably discuss. It's a look, it's an ability, it's the empowerment and feeling it gives the owner.

It's a high capacity, high velocity, highly configurable weapon that that is outside the reasonable boundaries of hunting and self defense. Just flip through the first couple pages of this Cabela site.
https://www.cabelas.com/catalog/browse/_/N-1114861?CQ_page=0&CQ_view=list&CQ_ztype=GNP

You aren't defending your home or hunting deer or pheasants with those.

The argument that "they are all the same firing mechanism" is disingenuous. There is an emotional appeal to the tactical look and empowerment provided by it. Add in the high capacity and other elements that provide accuracy and stability at range and under high rates of fire and you are approaching the "assault" description.

 

[IronWing]

please do start one, and i will reply

Why do Republican politicians value campaign contributions from the NRA over the lives of their own children?

 

[brycejones]

please do start one, and i will reply

How about starting to honestly engage in your own thread.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

an assault weapon.

can someone please explain what an assault weapon is ti me?

We shouldn’t be talking about this until all the cancer deaths, all the car deaths and all the falling accidents are solved.
Then we can talk about this.

 

[momeNt]

PPP- Pure Paranoid Projection.

Would you settle for no assault weapons if we had like let's say 75% civilian ownership of revolvers? Is that a fair tradeoff for you, being as you support the second amendment and all?

 

[IJTSSG]

if nothing else, this is proving liberals dont want to have a discussion

That didn't need any additional proof. All the liberals want is to tell everyone else what to do. They are apoplectic with rage whenever they don't get full obedience with their perception of need. 1st amendment is OK as long as they aren't offended, 2nd amendment is OK as long as they determine what firearm I "need" to protect my family. I make too much money so I need to give more to the government according to them, etc., etc. Gotta keep the base fully funded I guess and make sure everyone has a full dose of "class envy". The list goes on.

Then when their "leadership" calls anyone who dares disagree with her a "deplorable" and tells white women they're stupid, they're bewildered that an asshole NY businessman gets elected president.

The liberals in this country are a pathetic bunch of fvcking fascists. Nothing more and from all indications, a lot less. I am so glad I moved to TX five years ago so I only have to put up with a minimum amount of their bullsh!t.

 

[vi edit]

Would you settle for no assault weapons if we had like let's say 75% civilian ownership of revolvers? Is that a fair tradeoff for you, being as you support the second amendment and all?

Law abiding, vetted, trained and registered. Sure. I'd take that trade off. I wouldn't put a percent on it.

 

[cytg111]

You are talking about guns, this is a weapon :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uBwgooswoY&feature=youtu.be&t=184

 

[IronWing]

That didn't need any additional proof. All the liberals want is to tell everyone else what to do. They are apoplectic with rage whenever they don't get full obedience with their perception of need. 1st amendment is OK as long as they aren't offended, 2nd amendment is OK as long as they determine what firearm I "need" to protect my family. I make too much money so I need to give more to the government according to them, etc., etc. Gotta keep the base fully funded I guess and make sure everyone has a full dose of "class envy". The list goes on.

Then when their "leadership" calls anyone who dares disagree with her a "deplorable" and tells white women they're stupid, they're bewildered that an asshole NY businessman gets elected president.

The liberals in this country are a pathetic bunch of fvcking fascists. Nothing more and from all indications, a lot less. I am so glad I moved to TX five years ago so I only have to put up with a minimum amount of their bullsh!t.

OP: ^ there's your discussion. Hope you enjoyed it.