What is wrong with America's high schools?

Svnla

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What's wrong with America's high schools?
As number of dropouts climbs, schools struggle to reverse tide

Sunday, April 9, 2006; Posted: 1:12 p.m. EDT (17:12 GMT)

Editor's note: The following is a summary of this week's Time magazine cover story.


Researchers are saying that nearly one out of three public high school students won't graduate.

(Time.com) -- It's lunchtime at Shelbyville High School, 30 miles southeast of Indianapolis, Indiana, and more than 100 teenagers are buzzing over trays in the cafeteria.

Like high schoolers everywhere, they have arranged themselves by type: jocks, preps, cheerleaders, dorks, punks and gamers, all with tables of their own.

Shawn Sturgill, 18, had a clique of his own at Shelbyville High, a dozen or so friends who sat at the same long bench in the hallway outside the cafeteria. They were, Shawn says, an average crowd.

These days the bench is mostly empty. Of his dozen friends, Shawn says just one or two are still at Shelbyville High.

If some cliques are defined by a common sport or a shared obsession with Yu-Gi-Oh! cards, Shawn's friends ended up being defined by their mutual destiny: nearly all of them became high school dropouts.

Shawn's friends are not alone in their exodus. Of the 315 Shelbyville students who showed up for the first day of high school four years ago, only 215 are expected to graduate.

In today's data-happy era of accountability, testing and No Child Left Behind, here is the most astonishing statistic in the whole field of education: an increasing number of researchers are saying that nearly one out of three public high school students won't graduate, not just in Shelbyville but around the nation.

For Latinos and African-Americans, the rate approaches an alarming 50 percent. Virtually no community, small or large, rural or urban, has escaped the problem.

There is a small but hardy band of researchers who insist the dropout rates don't quite approach those levels. They point to their pet surveys that suggest a rate of only 15 percent to 20 percent.

The dispute is difficult to referee, particularly in the wake of decades of lax accounting by states and schools. But the majority of analysts and lawmakers have come to this consensus: the numbers have remained unchecked at approximately 30 percent through two decades of intense educational reform, and the magnitude of the problem has been consistently, and often willfully, ignored.

That's starting to change.

During his most recent State of the Union address, President Bush promised more resources to help children stay in school, and Democrats promptly attacked him for lacking a specific plan.

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation has trained its moneyed eye on the problem, funding "The Silent Epidemic," a study issued in March that has gained widespread attention both in Washington and in statehouses around the country.

The attention comes against a backdrop of rising peril for dropouts.

If their grandparents' generation could find a blue-collar niche and prosper, the latest group is immediately relegated to the most punishing sector of the economy, where whatever low-wage jobs haven't yet moved overseas are increasingly filled by even lower-wage immigrants.

Dropping out of high school today is to your societal health what smoking is to your physical health, an indicator of a host of poor outcomes to follow, from low lifetime earnings to high incarceration rates to a high likelihood that your children will drop out of high school and start the cycle anew.

Identifying the problem is just the first step.

The next moves are being made by towns like Shelbyville, where a loose coalition of community leaders and school administrators have, for the first time, placed dropout prevention at the top of the agenda. Now they are gamely trying to identify why kids are leaving and looking for ways to reverse the tide.

"Ten years ago," says Shelbyville principal Tom Zobel, "if we had a problem student, the plan was, 'OK, let's figure out how to get rid of this kid.' Now we have to get them help."

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And our nation future will depend on these young folks? <sighs>
 

BrianH1

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Which of these answers is more correctly identified with the passage?
A. It's the parent's fault for the kids failing.
B. It's the teacher's fault.
C. It's society's fault.
D. All of the Above.
E. None of the Above
 

Sphexi

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Let em, the world needs drive-through workers and garbagemen.
 

drinkmorejava

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no, it'll depend on the smart ones that finish school to pay for the welfare of the others.
 

Sphexi

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Originally posted by: drinkmorejava
no, it'll depend on the smart ones that finish school to pay for the welfare of the others.

Not when it's the smart ones who'll get into power and reform the welfare laws.
 

destrekor

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its because the students don't care, not necessarily something wrong with the schools. the schools may be too lax on some things, but ultimately the student decides his future. problems at home, a child, money problems, etc etc.. not to mention general laziness and a don't care attitude.
my school recently began a new system for handling students who were absent. if they dont have a note and no parent can be contacted to get a reason, then the student has to spend that day in what is known as IRP (inschool retention program), which is basically an inschool suspension. same thing with students who are tardy with no note and parent contact. i work in the office first thing in the morning and yep, get kids every day going. some kids have yet to learn though which is kind of entertaining to watch.
 

mrSHEiK124

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
This is what happens when our culture no longer puts an emphasis on education.

Well said, getting laid, stoned, drunk, and/or killed in a car accident seems to be the #1 goal on the minds of most US teenagers.
 

da loser

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nothing, if they don't have the motivation to finish school. maybe working in the fields or sweeping floors will change their mind.
 

Svnla

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Originally posted by: BrianH1
Which of these answers is more correctly identified with the passage?
A. It's the parent's fault for the kids failing.
B. It's the teacher's fault.
C. It's society's fault.
D. All of the Above.
E. None of the Above

Where is the option for the kids' fault? Quitter never win, winner never quit.

 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: Sphexi
Originally posted by: drinkmorejava
no, it'll depend on the smart ones that finish school to pay for the welfare of the others.

Not when it's the smart ones who'll get into power and reform the welfare laws.

We can only hope.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
This is what happens when our culture no longer puts an emphasis on education.

Well said, getting laid, stoned, drunk, and/or killed in a car accident seems to be the #1 goal on the minds of most US teenagers.

It's a balancing act. You have to learn to be able to do all of the above without interrupting your ability to continue doing so in the future. Some people excel at that - others fail miserably.
 

GTaudiophile

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Go watch MTV's Sweet Sixteen and you'll see what the problem is. America's children are so spoiled rotten that many feel that they DESERVE success. It will simply be handed to them on a silver platter.
 

SagaLore

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We have to get back to basics with our curriculum.

- Math
- English
- Science
- Geography/History

We need to feed students better food, remove vending machines, and replace soda with fruit juice and sports drinks.

We need better communication between parents and teachers. Perhaps we need to increase the student to counselor ratio, and assign counselors to a group of students (like advisors in college) who only focus on the group and track their progress from 8th/9th grade until graduation. Instead of teachers meeting with parents (and any given student can have a number of different teachers each semester), the counselors would be the mediators.
 

0roo0roo

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smells like a made up stat

pushing poor students out is good for a school. keeps teh standardized test scores up and keeps the funding from being cut.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
This is what happens when our culture no longer puts an emphasis on children.

Minor correction.

Our culture is all about education. But too many families let other people raise their children for them and then wonder what went wrong.
 

Baked

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Who needs education when you have "extreme" sports, poker, and pr0n that make so much more w/ so much less effort?
 

linkgoron

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Who said 100% of teenagers had to finish school? Most of the dropouts wouldn't get anything from school anyway, and just got out of school a couple years earlier.
 

Svnla

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
smells like a made up stat....

Nope. I don't know about how things are at your state but down South here, things are pretty bad.

Louisiana and Miss, two of the poorest states, have some of the highest school drop out and teenagers pregancy.

 

Azndude2190

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I'm a Junior at my HS...and starting next semester(basically next year)kids with GPA's lower than 2.0 are going to be "kicked out"(well transferred to smaller community HS in a neighbor city untell they can up their GPA)

So I guess this is their solution(well our).Get rid of the bad kids.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
We have to get back to basics with our curriculum.

- Math
- English
- Science
- Geography/History

We need to feed students better food, remove vending machines, and replace soda with fruit juice and sports drinks.

We need better communication between parents and teachers. Perhaps we need to increase the student to counselor ratio, and assign counselors to a group of students (like advisors in college) who only focus on the group and track their progress from 8th/9th grade until graduation. Instead of teachers meeting with parents (and any given student can have a number of different teachers each semester), the counselors would be the mediators.

Ima argue with you on this count. College students can thrive on vending machines, soda, and ****** food - why can't high school students?

The latter paragraph is the way my HS had it set up - it worked brilliantly well.

But in the end, it comes down to the students wanting to learn. Take, for instance, the stark contrast between the unending success of my HS when my group of students was enrolled, to it's present state. We were, for whatever reasons, a very highly motivated bunch of students. Most of us were in upper-level classes, chronic drug and alcohol usage was relegated to maybe 10 or so of us, and as a group, we accrued such a ridiculous amount of scholarship money and other honors that it was absolutely ridiculous to sit through our final awards assembly the day before graduation. Over 90% of us were bound to a place that didn't end in "Community College". Only one of us died - in a car accident, in which he was not at fault.

And then there's this year's graduating class... Despite being only 1 year younger, they're literally our polar opposites. Most of them have drug problems - upper-level (AP, GT, Honors) courses were actually CANCELLED due to low enrollment. Over 50% have no declared intention to continue their education. 36 kids have been arrested this year alone on drug and weapons violations. A police officer was assaulted in the cafeteria. Several teachers who I remember as loving their jobs just 12 months ago have actually QUIT and left education altogether. On-campus police presence has grown tenfold. Attendance is down from 90% daily to 60% daily. From what I remember, they're in the double-digits for the death count - ranging from a murder to several suicides to several overdoses and NUMEROUS severe car accidents, all of which involved alcohol or drugs. Gangs have surfaced.

I don't know what the difference is - all I know is that I don't know a single person born after 1988 that I like, trust, or can get along with. If we find out what changed from 1988 into 1989 that made them so much different, I suspect you'll find the root cause.
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
smells like a made up stat

pushing poor students out is good for a school. keeps teh standardized test scores up and keeps the funding from being cut.

Test scores are only part of the funding formula. The larger part is attendance days; students x days in attendance. Dropping out hurts funding. This is one reason schools are forever taking attendance. Whether students learn anything while in schol is secondary to just being there.

Schools blessed with a high percentage of parents who give a damn about their kids generally do better than schools where the parents don't care.
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: SagaLore
We have to get back to basics with our curriculum.

- Math
- English
- Science
- Geography/History

We need to feed students better food, remove vending machines, and replace soda with fruit juice and sports drinks.

We need better communication between parents and teachers. Perhaps we need to increase the student to counselor ratio, and assign counselors to a group of students (like advisors in college) who only focus on the group and track their progress from 8th/9th grade until graduation. Instead of teachers meeting with parents (and any given student can have a number of different teachers each semester), the counselors would be the mediators.

Ima argue with you on this count. College students can thrive on vending machines, soda, and ****** food - why can't high school students?

The latter paragraph is the way my HS had it set up - it worked brilliantly well.

But in the end, it comes down to the students wanting to learn. Take, for instance, the stark contrast between the unending success of my HS when my group of students was enrolled, to it's present state. We were, for whatever reasons, a very highly motivated bunch of students. Most of us were in upper-level classes, chronic drug and alcohol usage was relegated to maybe 10 or so of us, and as a group, we accrued such a ridiculous amount of scholarship money and other honors that it was absolutely ridiculous to sit through our final awards assembly the day before graduation. Over 90% of us were bound to a place that didn't end in "Community College". Only one of us died - in a car accident, in which he was not at fault.

And then there's this year's graduating class... Despite being only 1 year younger, they're literally our polar opposites. Most of them have drug problems - upper-level (AP, GT, Honors) courses were actually CANCELLED due to low enrollment. Over 50% have no declared intention to continue their education. 36 kids have been arrested this year alone on drug and weapons violations. A police officer was assaulted in the cafeteria. Several teachers who I remember as loving their jobs just 12 months ago have actually QUIT and left education altogether. On-campus police presence has grown tenfold. Attendance is down from 90% daily to 60% daily. From what I remember, they're in the double-digits for the death count - ranging from a murder to several suicides to several overdoses and NUMEROUS severe car accidents, all of which involved alcohol or drugs. Gangs have surfaced.

I don't know what the difference is - all I know is that I don't know a single person born after 1988 that I like, trust, or can get along with. If we find out what changed from 1988 into 1989 that made them so much different, I suspect you'll find the root cause.

holy crap