What is the single most important concept that defines a Christian?

[JS80]

Originally posted by: HotChic

Originally posted by: JS80
Belief that Jesus is son of God and died for our sins.

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"Even the demons believe that, and tremble."

...and asks for forgiveness of sins committed.

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[ironk]

that God is always right.

That is truer than you think.

If Jesus is the son of god then that makes Christianity a polytheistic religion, does it not? Welcome to the trinitarian debate, two thousand years in the works and counting.

How can this even be a debate? You can't call it monotheistic if there is a son. Now i don't know how they twisted it, but generally speaking, Christianity would have to be polytheism.

Also, is that all you have to do to be a Christian (Believe in the son, etc)? In other words, you can do anything but you're forgiven already, so why does it matter what you do (good or bad)?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: ironk

that God is always right.

That is truer than you think.

If Jesus is the son of god then that makes Christianity a polytheistic religion, does it not? Welcome to the trinitarian debate, two thousand years in the works and counting.

How can this even be a debate? You can't call it monotheistic if there is a son. Now i don't know how they twisted it, but generally speaking, Christianity would have to be polytheism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoousian

Happy reading.

 

[DainBramaged]

:thumbsup:

 

[SpanishFry]

Originally posted by: scttgrd

Originally posted by: SpanishFry

Originally posted by: scttgrd
The ability to swallow a big load of hoo-haa, believe in the boogey man.

sometimes you have to be able to believe in something bigger than yourself.



your gf already does. /rimshot

My wife is more of a seeing is believing kind of lady, thats why she is married to me. Needing to believe in something bigger than myself to feel adequate in the grand scheme of things is not required. Good to know there are still sheep in the pasture.

sheep? wow. you're the one who came into this thread needing to announce your superiority by not believing in something.

believe what you want, but maybe think about the way you talk to others who differ.

 

[sandorski]

Now that Christianity has been defined, the question becomes: Was that what Jesus really meant to accomplish?

 

[ironk]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: ironk

that God is always right.

That is truer than you think.

If Jesus is the son of god then that makes Christianity a polytheistic religion, does it not? Welcome to the trinitarian debate, two thousand years in the works and counting.

How can this even be a debate? You can't call it monotheistic if there is a son. Now i don't know how they twisted it, but generally speaking, Christianity would have to be polytheism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoousian

Happy reading.

from the wikipedia article:

Jesus Christ is the physical manifestation of Logos (or the divine word) and consequently possesses all of the inherent, ineffable perfections which religion and philosophy attribute to the Supreme Being

Say what? So Jesus was "perfect"? How can that be so? So, he didn't have to use the bathroom, or have any needs? I thought perfect meant just that: You have no needs.

 

[RbSX]

hypocrisy?

I kid I kid.

Kind of.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: ironk

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: ironk

that God is always right.

That is truer than you think.

If Jesus is the son of god then that makes Christianity a polytheistic religion, does it not? Welcome to the trinitarian debate, two thousand years in the works and counting.

How can this even be a debate? You can't call it monotheistic if there is a son. Now i don't know how they twisted it, but generally speaking, Christianity would have to be polytheism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoousian

Happy reading.

from the wikipedia article:

Jesus Christ is the physical manifestation of Logos (or the divine word) and consequently possesses all of the inherent, ineffable perfections which religion and philosophy attribute to the Supreme Being

Say what? So Jesus was "perfect"? How can that be so? So, he didn't have to use the bathroom, or have any needs? I thought perfect meant just that: You have no needs.

Beats me, ain't my religion. I was just directing you to info concerning the debate. The bottom line is that the central tenents of Christianity have been debated by Christians since the loggers killed Jesus. It is inevitable when attempting to rationalize a religion based on a mash up of old Hebrew beliefs and customs and bizzare Paulist ravings. Paul won.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Comon guys, several people have already hit it. The foothold of traditional, straightline Christianity is the Bible. Just search it for a moment or two.

John 11:25-26

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Ok then, John says alot about this. So lets cut to the direct reason why Jesus was sent:

John 3:15-18

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[dandruff]

:laugh:

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: scttgrd

Originally posted by: SpanishFry

Originally posted by: scttgrd
The ability to swallow a big load of hoo-haa, believe in the boogey man.

sometimes you have to be able to believe in something bigger than yourself.



your gf already does. /rimshot

My wife is more of a seeing is believing kind of lady, thats why she is married to me. Needing to believe in something bigger than myself to feel adequate in the grand scheme of things is not required. Good to know there are still sheep in the pasture.

Not all of us are "sheep" as you describe them. I'm kind of a borderline Christian. Most of my value line up neatly enough with Christianity, although there are a few disparate ones. However, I am completely against organized religion.

I rarely go to church, as I could use the time for better things. Nor will you see me humming hyms as I jog or praying every night. But I believe in god, and I'm willing to give Jesus the benefit of the doubt. That is the extent of it though. I don't do things because "the Bible/God/Jesus tells me so" I do what I consider to be right for the betterment of those around me and myself.

Guess I believe because it just feels right to me. Like the feeling you get when constipation goes away (ie you can feel the clog dislodging) only better. At the same time though, I'm not devoting my life to it or anything. When I feel better, I can do more and better things. So why shouldn't I believe if it makes me feel better? And if I'm wrong, I've got nothing to lose.

 

[tomywishbone]

Party like it's 1999?:music:

 

[BirdDad]

Belief that Jesus Christ was the one perfect sacrifice to God that makes it possible for believers to be united with God.In my beliefs people that don't have Jesus are judged on their actions and intentions(and so are Christians) so it is possible for someone who never even heard of Him to be united with God.The thing that defines a Christian is their desires and actions as well as being saved.

 

[FoBoT]

Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Through His suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the cross, the Savior atoned for our sins.

 

[Vic]

Every Christian sect can be summed up in John 3:16 -

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Why do you think they wave it at all those ball games? That belief IS Christianity, summed up in one sentence. The biggest negative that most people find in Christianity is that Christians want to do the same for YOU.

And no, I'm not Christian.