What is the purpose of "Cash for Clunkers"?

[imported_Lothar]

I watched ABC news tonight as they described the program.

1.) Get clunker from a new car buyer in return for recieving $4,500 from the government.
2.) Dealer pours a chemical substance into the engine or oil.
3.) Let it run for a few minutes till it becomes inoperable.
4.) Dealer checks to see if there are any coins left in the ash tray and pockets them.
5.) Tow the car to a junkyard without stripping any part.
6.) Crush the whole car into a cube or make corn flakes out of them.


Instead of crushing perfectly fine cars that have no problems whatsoever, why not donate them to 3rd world countries?
I'm sure some people in Mexico, Africa, Asia, and South America would apreaciate any car they can get...even if it only gets less than 18 miles per gallon.

WTF is the point of this useless program again?

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Lothar
I watched ABC news tonight as they described the program.

1.) Get clunker from a new car buyer in return for recieving $4,500 from the government.
2.) Dealer pours a chemical substance into the engine or oil.
3.) Let it run for a few minutes till it becomes inoperable.
4.) Dealer checks to see if there are any coins left in the ash tray and pockets them.
5.) Tow the car to a junkyard without stripping any part.
6.) Crush the whole car into a cube or make corn flakes out of them.


Instead of crushing perfectly fine cars that have no problems whatsoever, why not donate them to 3rd world countries?
I'm sure some people in Mexico, Africa, Asia, and South America would apreaciate any car they can get...even if it only gets less than 18 miles per gallon.

WTF is the point of this useless program again?

There's this thing - it's called the internet where you search and you find more details of the program...

:roll::roll::roll:

 

[SAWYER]

Well we have such a huge surplus they thought it would be good to bailout potential car buyers

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Lothar
I watched ABC news tonight as they described the program.

1.) Get clunker from a new car buyer in return for recieving $4,500 from the government.
2.) Dealer pours a chemical substance into the engine or oil.
3.) Let it run for a few minutes till it becomes inoperable.
4.) Dealer checks to see if there are any coins left in the ash tray and pockets them.
5.) Tow the car to a junkyard without stripping any part.
6.) Crush the whole car into a cube or make corn flakes out of them.


Instead of crushing perfectly fine cars that have no problems whatsoever, why not donate them to 3rd world countries?
I'm sure some people in Mexico, Africa, Asia, and South America would apreaciate any car they can get...even if it only gets less than 18 miles per gallon.

WTF is the point of this useless program again?

There's this thing - it's called the internet where you search and you find more details of the program...

:roll::roll::roll:

Sadly, it would have been quicker to enter 'Cash for Clunkers' in the google search bar than create this thread.

 

[imported_Lothar]

"The program is designed to energize the economy; boost auto sales and put safer, cleaner and more fuel-efficient vehicles on the nation's roadways."

You can do all that without scrapping the car. Why do you have to turn the cars into ice cubes when you can donate them to 3rd world countries?

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Lothar
I watched ABC news tonight as they described the program.

1.) Get clunker from a new car buyer in return for recieving $4,500 from the government.
2.) Dealer pours a chemical substance into the engine or oil.
3.) Let it run for a few minutes till it becomes inoperable.
4.) Dealer checks to see if there are any coins left in the ash tray and pockets them.
5.) Tow the car to a junkyard without stripping any part.
6.) Crush the whole car into a cube or make corn flakes out of them.


Instead of crushing perfectly fine cars that have no problems whatsoever, why not donate them to 3rd world countries?
I'm sure some people in Mexico, Africa, Asia, and South America would apreaciate any car they can get...even if it only gets less than 18 miles per gallon.

WTF is the point of this useless program again?

There's this thing - it's called the internet where you search and you find more details of the program...

:roll::roll::roll:

"The program is designed to energize the economy; boost auto sales and put safer, cleaner and more fuel-efficient vehicles on the nation's roadways."

You can do all that without scrapping the car. Why do you have to turn the cars into ice cubes when you can donate them to 3rd world countries?

The cost of shipping all these cars would outweigh the cost of scraping them and reusing the metal...

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Lothar
I watched ABC news tonight as they described the program.

1.) Get clunker from a new car buyer in return for recieving $4,500 from the government.
2.) Dealer pours a chemical substance into the engine or oil.
3.) Let it run for a few minutes till it becomes inoperable.
4.) Dealer checks to see if there are any coins left in the ash tray and pockets them.
5.) Tow the car to a junkyard without stripping any part.
6.) Crush the whole car into a cube or make corn flakes out of them.


Instead of crushing perfectly fine cars that have no problems whatsoever, why not donate them to 3rd world countries?
I'm sure some people in Mexico, Africa, Asia, and South America would apreaciate any car they can get...even if it only gets less than 18 miles per gallon.

WTF is the point of this useless program again?

There's this thing - it's called the internet where you search and you find more details of the program...

:roll::roll::roll:

"The program is designed to energize the economy; boost auto sales and put safer, cleaner and more fuel-efficient vehicles on the nation's roadways."

You can do all that without scrapping the car. Why do you have to turn the cars into ice cubes when you can donate them to 3rd world countries?

1) Pollution is a global problem. Putting pollution in the air by giving these to other nations is a net-negative.

2) Why give freebies to other nations when we are suffering? Make them handle their own business.

3) It is more expensive to ship one of those clunkers than for them to buy one. If they had money that is (and I am not a supporter of essentially giving nations free money. Take care of our citizens and almost no one elses.)

 

[JS80]

To transfer $$ from taxpayers to the car companies who employ overpaid union members who voted for Obama.

 

[Overgloc]

HIPPIE!

 

[PottedMeat]

Why the hell would we want the third world consuming gas?


The gov't should have set up some mega spare parts company instead of destroying a lot of working machines. Or some sort of crash testing. Or a federally funded demolition derby circuit.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Lothar
"The program is designed to energize the economy; boost auto sales and put safer, cleaner and more fuel-efficient vehicles on the nation's roadways."

You can do all that without scrapping the car. Why do you have to turn the cars into ice cubes when you can donate them to 3rd world countries?

The cost of shipping all these cars would outweigh the cost of scraping them and reusing the metal...

Have the 3rd world countries pay for shipping themselves. How much will it cost to ship to Mexico?
Donate it to international charities and have them take care of the "shipping" part?

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Lothar
"The program is designed to energize the economy; boost auto sales and put safer, cleaner and more fuel-efficient vehicles on the nation's roadways."

You can do all that without scrapping the car. Why do you have to turn the cars into ice cubes when you can donate them to 3rd world countries?

1) Pollution is a global problem. Putting pollution in the air by giving these to other nations is a net-negative.

2) Why give freebies to other nations when we are suffering? Make them handle their own business.

3) It is more expensive to ship one of those clunkers than for them to buy one. If they had money that is (and I am not a supporter of essentially giving nations free money. Take care of our citizens and almost no one elses.)

1.) If you're concerned about pollution, why not mandate everyone participating in the program to use it to buy a car instead (or even better, a Prius?)
Why allow people who are trading their trucks that get 16-18mpg to buy a new one that gets 18-20mpg on a new truck for $3,500/$4,500?

2.) Wow. Do you feel the same about international charities such as the International Red Cross, Clinton foundation, and Bill/Melinda gates foundation?

3.) See my post above this.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: PottedMeat
Why the hell would we want the third world consuming gas?


The gov't should have set up some mega spare parts company instead of destroying a lot of working machines. Or some sort of crash testing. Or a federally funded demolition derby circuit.

Even that's a better idea.
At this point, anything is better than crushing the cars to a useless ice cube.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Lothar
"The program is designed to energize the economy; boost auto sales and put safer, cleaner and more fuel-efficient vehicles on the nation's roadways."

You can do all that without scrapping the car. Why do you have to turn the cars into ice cubes when you can donate them to 3rd world countries?

1) Pollution is a global problem. Putting pollution in the air by giving these to other nations is a net-negative.

2) Why give freebies to other nations when we are suffering? Make them handle their own business.

3) It is more expensive to ship one of those clunkers than for them to buy one. If they had money that is (and I am not a supporter of essentially giving nations free money. Take care of our citizens and almost no one elses.)

1.) If you're concerned about pollution, why not mandate everyone participating in the program to use it to buy a car instead (or even better, a Prius?)
Why allow people who are trading their trucks that get 16-18mpg to buy a new one that gets 18-20mpg on a new truck for $3,500/$4,500?

2.) Wow. Do you feel the same about international charities such as the International Red Cross, Clinton foundation, and Bill/Melinda gates foundation?

3.) See my post above this.

2 and 3 are the most ridiculous attempts at a point I have ever seen you make, Lothar.

Those are private charities. They can do whatever the want!

This is government money, it is from the citizens and should be for the citizens.

If we can't even give our own people health care or decent public schools I sure as hell don't want us building cities and waging wars for other nations.

Damn man, I'm not going to be rude to you but don't try to steer the discussion elsewhere.

edit: Oh and about 1...sure it isn't perfect, but it is better. Not everyone could use a car or a prius, so if they need a truck anyway, why not give them a truck that gets better MPG ratings and is less polluting. You do know that MPG doesn't directly relate to pollution right? A 25 MPG car 15 years ago makes magnitudes more pollutants than a 25 MPG car today.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: JS80
To transfer $$ from taxpayers to the car companies who employ overpaid union members who voted for Obama.

Except that it isn't taxpayer money. We are sending borrowed money which will be paid by future taxpayers to car companies who employ overpaid union members who voted for Obama.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: JS80
To transfer $$ from taxpayers to the car companies who employ overpaid union members who voted for Obama.

Except that it isn't taxpayer money. We are sending borrowed money which will be paid by future taxpayers to car companies who employ overpaid union members who voted for Obama.

you know that as a fact? or another pipe dream? Link please......

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: JS80
To transfer $$ from taxpayers to the car companies who employ overpaid union members who voted for Obama.

Except that it isn't taxpayer money. We are sending borrowed money which will be paid by future taxpayers to car companies who employ overpaid union members who voted for Obama.

You're right, it's actually Chinese people's money hehe.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Lothar
"The program is designed to energize the economy; boost auto sales and put safer, cleaner and more fuel-efficient vehicles on the nation's roadways."

You can do all that without scrapping the car. Why do you have to turn the cars into ice cubes when you can donate them to 3rd world countries?

1) Pollution is a global problem. Putting pollution in the air by giving these to other nations is a net-negative.

2) Why give freebies to other nations when we are suffering? Make them handle their own business.

3) It is more expensive to ship one of those clunkers than for them to buy one. If they had money that is (and I am not a supporter of essentially giving nations free money. Take care of our citizens and almost no one elses.)

1.) If you're concerned about pollution, why not mandate everyone participating in the program to use it to buy a car instead (or even better, a Prius?)
Why allow people who are trading their trucks that get 16-18mpg to buy a new one that gets 18-20mpg on a new truck for $3,500/$4,500?

2.) Wow. Do you feel the same about international charities such as the International Red Cross, Clinton foundation, and Bill/Melinda gates foundation?

3.) See my post above this.

2 and 3 are the most ridiculous attempts at a point I have ever seen you make, Lothar.

Those are private charities. They can do whatever the want!

This is government money, it is from the citizens and should be for the citizens.

If we can't even give our own people health care or decent public schools I sure as hell don't want us building cities and waging wars for other nations.

Damn man, I'm not going to be rude to you but don't try to steer the discussion elsewhere.

Your statement was "Why give freebies to other nations when we are suffering? Make them handle their own business."...A blanket statement at that.
I wasn't trying to steer the discussion anywhere. You were the one that brought it up first, not me.

I don't see how turning a perfectly operable car into an ice cube will help this country on health care and public schools issues.

 

[Budmantom]

This program hurts the people that are the most needy, it will drive up the cost of beaters by taking over 200-800k cars off the market and it will drive up the costs of new cars, it's yet another payback to the unions and the bankers.

 

[quest55720]

It is to help the UAW since they helped Obama get elected.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
edit: Oh and about 1...sure it isn't perfect, but it is better. Not everyone could use a car or a prius, so if they need a truck anyway, why not give them a truck that gets better MPG ratings and is less polluting. You do know that MPG doesn't directly relate to pollution right? A 25 MPG car 15 years ago makes magnitudes more pollutants than a 25 MPG car today.

Yeah, but requiring only a 1-2mpg increase to get $3,500-$4,500? Come on man.
Even you are should be able to see how stupid that is.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: JS80
To transfer $$ from taxpayers to the car companies who employ overpaid union members who voted for Obama.

Except that it isn't taxpayer money. We are sending borrowed money which will be paid by future taxpayers to car companies who employ overpaid union members who voted for Obama.

you know that as a fact? or another pipe dream? Link please......

http://www.cbo.gov/

Do you not follow the news or something? If you have not heard this years budget has a $1.8 Trillion (not Billion... but trillion) deficit.

Another link.

 

[Patranus]

Nice to see I can trade in my car and buy a Hummer....Yes a HUMMER.
http://www.edmunds.com/cash-fo...-car-candidates.html#h

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Patranus
Nice to see I can trade in my car and buy a Hummer H3T....Yes a HUMMER H3T.
http://www.edmunds.com/cash-fo...-car-candidates.html#h

Fixed

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: PottedMeat
Why the hell would we want the third world consuming gas?


The gov't should have set up some mega spare parts company instead of destroying a lot of working machines. Or some sort of crash testing. Or a federally funded demolition derby circuit.

Even that's a better idea.
At this point, anything is better than crushing the cars to a useless ice cube.

Keep in mind that this is coming from people that never ran a business, they have no idea how the real world works.

This program was designed to run 4 months, they run out of money in 4 days and call it a success.